The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*

[tomandshell]

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I think I'm going to enjoy this movie, but in my mind it can't be as good as Fellowship, because of the source material. The stakes were higher in Fellowship--the fate of the world depended on the destruction of the ring, but here they are out to reclaim dragon treasure. Less emotionally involving. Fellowship also created real emotion by killing off Gandalf (apparently) and Boromir. No losses like that in part one of The Hobbit. Fellowship also had more variety in its band of heroes--the mix of races and characters in the Fellowship is probably more interesting than Thorin and Co.

But all of this comes from the source material. Tolkien did a better job writing the sequel than the original Hobbit. The book is charming, but it's episodic and doesn't have the narrative weight, characterization, stakes or scale of LOTR. Tolkien surpassed himself with his follow-up, and by working backwards, PJ adapted the stronger source material first and has now moved on to the weaker. I understand why he didn't want to make this at first, but since he did, I hope he had fun and I look forward to seeing what he came up with. He made a fantastic trilogy out of a fantastic book, and hopefully he can now make a good trilogy out of a good book. I never expected this to surpass LOTR, but I still can't wait to see it and enjoy it for what it is.

 

[IrishJedi]

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I think I'm going to enjoy this movie, but in my mind it can't be as good as Fellowship, because of the source material. The stakes were higher in Fellowship--the fate of the world depended on the destruction of the ring, but here they are out to reclaim dragon treasure. Less emotionally involving. Fellowship also created real emotion by killing off Gandalf (apparently) and Boromir. No losses like that in part one of The Hobbit. Fellowship also had more variety in its band of heroes--the mix of races and characters in the Fellowship is probably more interesting than Thorin and Co.

But all of this comes from the source material. Tolkien did a better job writing the sequel than the original Hobbit. The book is charming, but it's episodic and doesn't have the narrative weight, characterization, stakes or scale of LOTR. Tolkien surpassed himself with his follow-up, and by working backwards, PJ adapted the stronger source material first and has now moved on to the weaker. I understand why he didn't want to make this at first, but since he did, I hope he had fun and I look forward to seeing what he came up with. He made a fantastic trilogy out of a fantastic book, and hopefully he can now make a good trilogy out of a good book. I never expected this to surpass LOTR, but I still can't wait to see it and enjoy it for what it is.

That's a perfect frame-of-mind to be in, IMHO.

 

[Adolfo]

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That's a perfect frame-of-mind to be in, IMHO.

The appendices will help with this story...Many that read and didnt read the books want to see more of Middle Earth and PJ is on the verge of doing that...IMHO...I personally want more and more middle earth

 

[The Josh]

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I think I'm going to enjoy this movie, but in my mind it can't be as good as Fellowship, because of the source material. The stakes were higher in Fellowship--the fate of the world depended on the destruction of the ring, but here they are out to reclaim dragon treasure. Less emotionally involving. Fellowship also created real emotion by killing off Gandalf (apparently) and Boromir. No losses like that in part one of The Hobbit. Fellowship also had more variety in its band of heroes--the mix of races and characters in the Fellowship is probably more interesting than Thorin and Co.

That will start of where people feel about things right at the start. Do they enjoy The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings more? I do prefer the story of The Lord of the Rings more than The Hobbit but The Hobbit is also very good especially when you think of those events having an impact on the events in The Lord of the Rings. The stakes aren't as high but I would say they're very high in The Hobbit, because if Gandalf does not talk Thorin into retaking The Lonely Mountain then could have made more issues for later also Bilbo finds The One Ring which if not found could have been a problem. Book wise I agree The Fellowship gives you more but movie wise we don't know how the Dwarves will stand out.

But all of this comes from the source material. Tolkien did a better job writing the sequel than the original Hobbit. The book is charming, but it's episodic and doesn't have the narrative weight, characterization, stakes or scale of LOTR. Tolkien surpassed himself with his follow-up, and by working backwards, PJ adapted the stronger source material first and has now moved on to the weaker. I understand why he didn't want to make this at first, but since he did, I hope he had fun and I look forward to seeing what he came up with. He made a fantastic trilogy out of a fantastic book, and hopefully he can now make a good trilogy out of a good book. I never expected this to surpass LOTR, but I still can't wait to see it and enjoy it for what it is.

I don't know if its a better job so much as they're just different styles. The Hobbit is lighter in tone as a whole than Lord of the Rings for much of the story. So its going to feel different than Lord of the Rings obviously. Actually, he wanted to make The Hobbit before he made Lord of the Rings but the rights as we know now were much more diffuclt to get taken care of. I think with what he's adding from the appendicies and some expansion of the simpler aspects of the story things will be just fine. From what we've seen I feel good in that this will be as good as the other movies from Middle-earth.

 

[carbo-fation]

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Well put Tom! In terms of source material, LOTR >> Hobbit so it's no surprise that the movies are also the same.

 

[Irvy]

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From the reviews this sounds like watching an extended edition already. Still can't wait to see it though.

Also, anyone who uses the phrase "movie of the year" is an idiot.

 

[Wanderer]

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Yes, I've seen it. And I honestly can't see how anyone will objectively call it the best movie of the year.

It's good, but it's easily the 4th best in this series of films, so far. And not nearly the best picture of 2012. That's where the expectations need to be set. Set them neither too high, or as low as some might put out there.

It's called "opinion" mate. We're all entitled to one.

 

[pixletwin]

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Some opinions are better informed than others.

 

[Kuzeh]

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Well, after missing out on IMAX tix for midnight show, (waited too long) I finally settled for the next best thing... which is 3D HFR @ the newly opened Arclight theaters here in San Diego! Midnight show with assigned seats, so no 6 hour lines for me! !!

I'm currently watching the LOTR trilogy to get in the Middle Earth mood!
Cannot wait!

 

[Irvy]

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Well, after missing out on IMAX tix for midnight show, (waited too long) I finally settled for the next best thing... which is 3D HFR @ the newly opened Arclight theaters here in San Diego! Midnight show with assigned seats, so no 6 hour lines for me! !!

I'm currently watching the LOTR trilogy to get in the Middle Earth mood!
Cannot wait!

Never mind all that, I love your sig!

 

[Matt S]

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I don't see why this can't be someone's movie of the year. I mean, its there opinion and all that.

I am going in pretty open - read the hobbit more than the lotr, so its story is well known to me...looking forward to it

 

[DiFabio]

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3 more days until I see LOTR on the big screen again (bet I don't get through ROTK) and a week until the Hobbit.

Exciting.

 

[Adolfo]

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I don't see why this can't be someone's movie of the year. I mean, its there opinion and all that.

I am going in pretty open - read the hobbit more than the lotr, so its story is well known to me...looking forward to it

This is my MOST ANTICIPATED movie of the year!

 

[YoNoSe]

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Never mind all that, I love your sig!

Kuz's Christmas sig is the best. But I like yours, too.

 

[agen_kolar]

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To those who have seen the film, I'm hearing the orcs are all CG. This is contrary to what I've heard in behind the scenes stuff. I was really looking forward to seeing Conan Stevens as Bolg, who was revealed in this photo. He looks like a pretty badass character, but was he CG'd over? That'd be a travesty.

 

[CelticPredator]

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^ Audiences hate practical effects. Even if it's ****ty CGI, they still like that more then the real thing.

 

[Matt S]

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^ Audiences hate practical effects. Even if it's ****ty CGI, they still like that more then the real thing.

Audiences didn't have a problem with the practical stuff in LOTR...

 

[smc100]

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That bone-hammer thing looks awsome.

 

[ironwez20]

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So is it true? Are orcs cg in this movie ?

 

[The Josh]

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Some are and some aren't from what I understand.