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The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*
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Nine years after The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King earned over $1.1 billion worldwide and won 11 Academy Awards, director Peter Jackson is taking audiences back to Middle Earth with The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. Based on goodwill alone from The Lord of the Rings, this first entry in the prequel trilogy is guaranteed to set a new December opening weekend record in 4,045 theaters (which is the widest release ever in December).
The project has been fighting an uphill battle against a wave of pessimism as of late, though, and the backwards-looking marketing effort isn't doing the movie any favors either. As a result, a three-day start north of $100 million is probably not going to happen.
In late 1999 director Peter Jackson—who had previously made mostly low-budget horror movies—embarked on one of the most ambitious (and also riskiest) movie projects ever when he filmed all three Lord of the Rings adaptations simultaneously in New Zealand. That risk wound up paying huge dividends for everyone involved, as the movies went on to be massive critical and commercial successes.
The first outing, Fellowship of the Ring, opened in December 2001 and ultimately earned $313.4 million at the domestic box office, and the following December The Two Towers grossed $339.8 million. In December 2003, final chapter The Return of the King opened to $124.1 million in its first five days before closing with $377 million. All in, the three movies earned over $2.9 billion worldwide on a budget of roughly $300 million.
Aside from being big moneymakers, the movies also managed to score with critics (all were above 90 percent on Rotten Tomatoes), audiences (all three are in IMDb's Top 25), and awards groups (17 Oscars, including 11 for Return of the King). As a result, this franchise has a ton of goodwill built up, and is one of the strongest brands in movies today.
Because The Lord of the Rings is so beloved, Warner Bros. marketing has gone to great lengths to highlight The Hobbit's association with that trilogy. Not only do all advertisements include an explicit reference to that franchise, but they also prominently feature Lord of the Rings characters like Gandalf, Gollum, and even Galadriel (who is reportedly barely in the movie). While it's obviously important to make use of this positive connection, the resulting campaign hasn't made much of an attempt to point out what's special about this movie.
The Hobbit is also garnering some negative buzz due to two controversial decisions made by the filmmakers. First, the choice to shoot the movie at 48 frames-per-second and project it in some locations (461, to be exact) in that "HFR" format was initially viewed as a potential game changer for the movie industry. Instead, those who have seen the movie in this format have almost unanimously bashed it, and it has subsequently been a huge (and overwhelmingly negative) part of the conversation in the past few weeks.
More important, though, is the decision to make a trilogy out of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit, which is a light-hearted book aimed at younger audiences that runs around 300 pages; in comparison, The Lord of the Rings was a dense 1,000 pages. Even after using some of Tolkien's appendices to fill it out, most reviewers complain that the movie doesn't earn its 170 minute runtime, and that for at least the first half it's outright boring. As of Thursday afternoon, The Hobbit is at an underwhelming 69 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
Of course, it's important to remember that mainstream audiences probably aren't paying very close attention to the HFR and trilogy debates, or to the disappointing reviews. But it's undeniable that these issues aren't going to help opening weekend box office, and surely some casual moviegoers will revert to a wait-and-see approach.
Because of holiday distractions, opening weekend box office in December tends to be much lower than it would be if the same titles opened elsewhere on the calendar. The current opening weekend record holder is I Am Legend with $77.2 million, though The Return of the King would almost certainly have that record if it hadn't burned off demand with Wednesday debuts. Even with some of the previously-mentioned issues, The Hobbit has enough going for it (goodwill, 3D/IMAX premiums) to easily set a new record. It will take Return of the King-level attendance, though, to crack $100 million, and that seems unlikely.
Even if The Hobbit has a slightly underwhelming start this weekend, it is still very well-positioned long-term. It will inevitably hold on to first place through the holiday season, and it's hard to imagine a scenario where it falls short of $300 million at the domestic box office.
It's looking even better overseas where it debuts in 55 markets this weekend, including all of the majors except for China, Russia and Australia. Return of the King earned $742 million overseas, and with rapid expansion in markets like China and Russia in the nine years since it's a foregone conclusion that The Hobbit will also net over $700 million from foreign markets.
Forecast (Dec. 14-16)
1. The Hobbit - $94.5 million
2. Lincoln - $6.8 million (-24%)
3. Rise of the Guardians - $6.5 million (-38%)
4. Skyfall - $5.7 million (-47%)
5. Life of Pi - $5.4 million (-35%)
Bar for Success
At an absolute minimum, The Hobbit needs to break I Am Legend's $77.2 million December record. After that, it's officially in very good shape if it cracks $90 million this weekend.
Discuss this story with fellow Box Office Mojo fans on Facebook. On Twitter, follow us at @boxofficemojo, and follow author Ray Subers at @raysubers.
Nine years after The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King earned over $1.1 billion worldwide and won 11 Academy Awards, director Peter Jackson is taking audiences back to Middle Earth with The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. Based on goodwill alone from The Lord of the Rings, this first entry in the prequel trilogy is guaranteed to set a new December opening weekend record in 4,045 theaters (which is the widest release ever in December).
The project has been fighting an uphill battle against a wave of pessimism as of late, though, and the backwards-looking marketing effort isn't doing the movie any favors either. As a result, a three-day start north of $100 million is probably not going to happen.
In late 1999 director Peter Jackson—who had previously made mostly low-budget horror movies—embarked on one of the most ambitious (and also riskiest) movie projects ever when he filmed all three Lord of the Rings adaptations simultaneously in New Zealand. That risk wound up paying huge dividends for everyone involved, as the movies went on to be massive critical and commercial successes.
The first outing, Fellowship of the Ring, opened in December 2001 and ultimately earned $313.4 million at the domestic box office, and the following December The Two Towers grossed $339.8 million. In December 2003, final chapter The Return of the King opened to $124.1 million in its first five days before closing with $377 million. All in, the three movies earned over $2.9 billion worldwide on a budget of roughly $300 million.
Aside from being big moneymakers, the movies also managed to score with critics (all were above 90 percent on Rotten Tomatoes), audiences (all three are in IMDb's Top 25), and awards groups (17 Oscars, including 11 for Return of the King). As a result, this franchise has a ton of goodwill built up, and is one of the strongest brands in movies today.
Because The Lord of the Rings is so beloved, Warner Bros. marketing has gone to great lengths to highlight The Hobbit's association with that trilogy. Not only do all advertisements include an explicit reference to that franchise, but they also prominently feature Lord of the Rings characters like Gandalf, Gollum, and even Galadriel (who is reportedly barely in the movie). While it's obviously important to make use of this positive connection, the resulting campaign hasn't made much of an attempt to point out what's special about this movie.
The Hobbit is also garnering some negative buzz due to two controversial decisions made by the filmmakers. First, the choice to shoot the movie at 48 frames-per-second and project it in some locations (461, to be exact) in that "HFR" format was initially viewed as a potential game changer for the movie industry. Instead, those who have seen the movie in this format have almost unanimously bashed it, and it has subsequently been a huge (and overwhelmingly negative) part of the conversation in the past few weeks.
More important, though, is the decision to make a trilogy out of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit, which is a light-hearted book aimed at younger audiences that runs around 300 pages; in comparison, The Lord of the Rings was a dense 1,000 pages. Even after using some of Tolkien's appendices to fill it out, most reviewers complain that the movie doesn't earn its 170 minute runtime, and that for at least the first half it's outright boring. As of Thursday afternoon, The Hobbit is at an underwhelming 69 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
Of course, it's important to remember that mainstream audiences probably aren't paying very close attention to the HFR and trilogy debates, or to the disappointing reviews. But it's undeniable that these issues aren't going to help opening weekend box office, and surely some casual moviegoers will revert to a wait-and-see approach.
Because of holiday distractions, opening weekend box office in December tends to be much lower than it would be if the same titles opened elsewhere on the calendar. The current opening weekend record holder is I Am Legend with $77.2 million, though The Return of the King would almost certainly have that record if it hadn't burned off demand with Wednesday debuts. Even with some of the previously-mentioned issues, The Hobbit has enough going for it (goodwill, 3D/IMAX premiums) to easily set a new record. It will take Return of the King-level attendance, though, to crack $100 million, and that seems unlikely.
Even if The Hobbit has a slightly underwhelming start this weekend, it is still very well-positioned long-term. It will inevitably hold on to first place through the holiday season, and it's hard to imagine a scenario where it falls short of $300 million at the domestic box office.
It's looking even better overseas where it debuts in 55 markets this weekend, including all of the majors except for China, Russia and Australia. Return of the King earned $742 million overseas, and with rapid expansion in markets like China and Russia in the nine years since it's a foregone conclusion that The Hobbit will also net over $700 million from foreign markets.
Forecast (Dec. 14-16)
1. The Hobbit - $94.5 million
2. Lincoln - $6.8 million (-24%)
3. Rise of the Guardians - $6.5 million (-38%)
4. Skyfall - $5.7 million (-47%)
5. Life of Pi - $5.4 million (-35%)
Bar for Success
At an absolute minimum, The Hobbit needs to break I Am Legend's $77.2 million December record. After that, it's officially in very good shape if it cracks $90 million this weekend.
Discuss this story with fellow Box Office Mojo fans on Facebook. On Twitter, follow us at @boxofficemojo, and follow author Ray Subers at @raysubers.
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I can't believe it, 9 years since ROTK.
I can't believe it, 9 years since ROTK.
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Yeah, tell me about it.
I can't believe it, 9 years since ROTK.
Yeah, tell me about it.
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Dat just blew me away.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Dat just blew me away.
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The only LOTR movie I remember having fond memories of seeing.
That was fun. We did leave after the 14th ending though.
I've got 2 hours and 20 minutes to go.
The only LOTR movie I remember having fond memories of seeing.
That was fun. We did leave after the 14th ending though.
I've got 2 hours and 20 minutes to go.
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I enable it and I tried to do everything but I could never get the playback thing to show up. I am using Google Chrome so I know it is not a browser problem
I enable it and I tried to do everything but I could never get the playback thing to show up. I am using Google Chrome so I know it is not a browser problem
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I luv all 23 endings, and I cried when Frodo said goodbye to Sam.
I did not cry in TDKR.
The only LOTR movie I remember having fond memories of seeing.
That was fun. We did leave after the 14th ending though.
I've got 2 hours and 20 minutes to go.
I luv all 23 endings, and I cried when Frodo said goodbye to Sam.
I did not cry in TDKR.
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How many of you guys have read The Hobbit? (I've never read LOTR, but i read The Hobbit twice in 2008) I'm not a fanboy, so i go into this with a great love for the movies, but i'm not would you'd call hardcore. I'll give a mini review when i get back.
How many of you guys have read The Hobbit? (I've never read LOTR, but i read The Hobbit twice in 2008) I'm not a fanboy, so i go into this with a great love for the movies, but i'm not would you'd call hardcore. I'll give a mini review when i get back.
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I didn't cry either.
I luv all 23 endings, and I cried when Frodo said goodbye to Sam.
I did not cry in TDKR.
I didn't cry either.
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Read both every year since 2001. I am a proud fan of both the books and movies.
Read both every year since 2001. I am a proud fan of both the books and movies.
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Ok, time for a tech lesson for you HFR noobs.
One important aspect is being neglected when discussing HFR from home viewing vs what PJ has given us.
So far everything we've seen prior PJ has been with inserted simulated (copied) frames. The TV is doing a ton of work processing the repeated frames over and over.
Hobbit's HFR involves true frames at all times being filmed, nothing copied and duplicated to make a simulated HFR.
What that's going to do I don't know yet until i've seen it. I'm guessing a very clean and laser sharp image.
Ok, time for a tech lesson for you HFR noobs.
One important aspect is being neglected when discussing HFR from home viewing vs what PJ has given us.
So far everything we've seen prior PJ has been with inserted simulated (copied) frames. The TV is doing a ton of work processing the repeated frames over and over.
Hobbit's HFR involves true frames at all times being filmed, nothing copied and duplicated to make a simulated HFR.
What that's going to do I don't know yet until i've seen it. I'm guessing a very clean and laser sharp image.
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You going tonight? I'm cooking buffalo wings right now to sneak in with. leaving in 40 min.
You are what i'd call HARDCORE. (hope it's everything you wanted)
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Read both every year since 2001. I am a proud fan of both the books and movies.
You going tonight? I'm cooking buffalo wings right now to sneak in with. leaving in 40 min.
You are what i'd call HARDCORE. (hope it's everything you wanted)
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But clearer, and smoother doesn't equal better.
They made Predator smoother, and clearer to take away the film grain...
But clearer, and smoother doesn't equal better.
They made Predator smoother, and clearer to take away the film grain...
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It will definitely look better than the motion interpolation you see on HDTVs. I will not tolerate that crap. At least this is showing frames that were actually shot.
Ok, time for a tech lesson for you HFR noobs.
One important aspect is being neglected when discussing HFR from home viewing vs what PJ has given us.
So far everything we've seen prior PJ with HFR at home, that gives us that video look, has been with inserted simulated (copied) frames.
Hobbit's HFR involves true frames at all times being filmed, nothing copied and duplicated to make a simulated HFR.
What that's going to do I don't know yet until i've seen it. I'm guessing/hoping for a very clean and laser sharp image.
It will definitely look better than the motion interpolation you see on HDTVs. I will not tolerate that crap. At least this is showing frames that were actually shot.
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Yeah, in the theater waiting right now. Just a little over an hour left.
Nice!
Yeah, I would agree. I've really made Tolkien a part of my life reading and studying it. I am pleased with what Jackson has done. I'm sure based on what ice read this will be every bit as good.
Yeah, in the theater waiting right now. Just a little over an hour left.
Nice!
Yeah, I would agree. I've really made Tolkien a part of my life reading and studying it. I am pleased with what Jackson has done. I'm sure based on what ice read this will be every bit as good.
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