The Plastic Fett POLL

[IrishJedi]

Nash, first off, I don't recall ever paying $200 for a 12" figure in my life.

Secondly, that too is immaterial to the point here. If a company markets a $200 figure made of sawdust and some ninnies are more than willing to pay for it, fine. That's one thing. But if the same company solicits a figure made out of metal for $200 and then at the last minute says It's not metal, it's sawdust because that's easier" but keeps the price the same that's a real problem.

And yes I used metal vs sawdust as an extreme example on purpose, because some of you obviously are not getting the point even though you're tired of me reiterating it.

 

[swabie2424]

I'm keeping my order. I'm gonna get my hands on Fett and put him on the shelf right with the others. If he looks great... sweet. If not... I'll decide then.

However... (lol).... I see why Irish is complaining. I understand that this is a PREMIUM line... and should use premium materials. I think that Sideshow understands that too, and they really must have felt this was the only workable solution. I do feel they should have told people when they first knew about this... and dropped the price then if warranted!

A price drop now will NEVER happen. Greg Anzalone and crew ain't fools. Like many said, they would never admit to actual profit per piece or material costs etc publically. And since we don't get to peek behind the curtain... there's no real leg for us to stand on. They can say, "It's more for R&D"... or "There were unforseen costs." We can't argue based on more than circumstantial evidence and conjecture. But they shoulda fessed up to begin with and done something pre-emptively if possible.

This is not a first for Sideshow IMHO. They almost certainly overcharged for the Endor Soldiers based on what I see. But hey... they still sold out. I say order what ya like... and be happy with it if you own it.

I think what gets under people's skin here is that Sideshow is known to usually be all about their customers. They treat us like kings with customer service and such. This is not in step with that for many here. So this is the reaction they get.

 

[El Roranous]

This is like a Sideshow Civil War...awesome. We should make teams.

 

[IrishJedi]

But don't you think they had to go through even more R & D with this piece when they found that polystone wasn't going to work? I think that's why we saw a delay before this was announced. It only makes sense that they had to start over with a new material thus even more R & D was involved.

Nope. Not buying that excuse either, since I have some understanding of both the R&D and manufacturing process. Production time and materials costs make up the VAST majority of cost on items like these... and the decision to change from polystone to ABS saved SSC lots of $$$, period.

 

[Memnoch]

That would also make sense in the fact that Fett was orginally delayed. I think it was one of those cases where once everything was out of the mold and put together it was a collective "Oh ****, back to the drawing board"

 

[foolkiller]

The different materials don't really bother me but I can see where people are coming from concerning a price adjustment. Sideshow uses that excuse when charging $50 for Derjik (sp) table. It costs so much because it's made with Polystone and metal. If they said we ended up making the table in all plastic would it still be worth the $50? That sword cuts both ways in my opinion.

 

[swabie2424]

Sideshow uses that excuse when charging $50 for Derjik (sp) table. It costs so much because it's made with Polystone and metal. If they said we ended up making the table in all plastic would it still be worth the $50? That sword cuts both ways in my opinion.

Great post!

Irish.. vote with your wallet.

 

[IrishJedi]

That would also make sense in the fact that Fett was orginally delayed. I think it was one of those cases where once everything was out of the mold and put together it was a collective "Oh ****, back to the drawing board"

No way... we would have seen a MUCH longer delay that this, trust me.

 

[carbo-fation]

This is like a Sideshow Civil War...awesome. We should make teams.

It happens every once in a while with new releases.

 

[nash]

Nash, first off, I don't recall ever paying $200 for a 12" figure in my life.

Secondly, that too is immaterial to the point here. If a company markets a $200 figure made of sawdust and some ninnies are more than willing to pay for it, fine. That's one thing. But if the same company solicits a figure made out of metal for $200 and then at the last minute says It's not metal, it's sawdust because that's easier" but keeps the price the same that's a real problem.

And yes I used metal vs sawdust as an extreme example on purpose, because some of you obviously are not getting the point even though you're tired of me reiterating it.

ok well two hot toys for $350 was it? I'd say thats pretty damn close to $200 per figure. And if youre going to get the powerloader , well there you go.

I know what your point is, but you dont really have a basis for your argument other than the fact that they are not using the same materials as was first stated.

Like Josh pointed out, you have no idea how much the extra R&D, or recasting, cost in the first place. If you had this data to back up your argument im sure majority of us would be rallying to your cause.

What I'm getting from your argument is that Sideshow changed from polystone to ABS so therefore since ABS is cheaper the PF should be cheaper. But do you honestly really believe that no other costs were involved with this change?

 

[swabie2424]

This is like a Sideshow Civil War...awesome. We should make teams.

I'm the Swiss! And I'm invading Lichtenstein tomorrow.

 

[SolidLiquidFox]

Uh... it is?



So what you're saying is that as long as it looks cool it would be okay to pay the same price for a plastic statue versus, say, bronze?

Think about that before you answer... because it's the entire point of this whole thing. There is a reason why items made from some materials are priced higher than others, and that has little to do with how it "looks".

I already answered the question but you edited my post.

The price difference/switch of materials will be justified under additional R&D. I think this was the tone the Production Blog tried to convey. If you look at it as Sideshow is F**cking with you and ripping you off then it's gonna bother you. They are trying to spin it as "Look guys, it's not metal but we changed it because we are trying to make it look it's best".

And yeah, it's always about how it looks. Most of these collectibles are overpriced as is.

 

[IrishJedi]

The different materials don't really bother me but I can see where people are coming from concerning a price adjustment. Sideshow uses that excuse when charging $50 for Derjik (sp) table. It costs so much because it's made with Polystone and metal. If they said we ended up making the table in all plastic would it still be worth the $50? That sword cuts both ways in my opinion.

BINGO!

Give this man a cigar, folks! He gets it. Sideshow RAISES the price on one item $10 due to material costs. Then, the same thing happens IN REVERSE with the same materials (more expensive poystone dropped for cheaper ABS) but do they return the favor??? Hahahahaha! NO WAY! Bend over the barrel and take it like a prison inmate, gullible SW collector!

I love it.

 

[Darth Loki]

Nope. Not buying that excuse either, since I have some understanding of both the R&D and manufacturing process. Production time and materials costs make up the VAST majority of cost on items like these... and the decision to change from polystone to ABS saved SSC lots of $$$, period.

Well my Dad's, friend's, co-worker's, son's, room mate's, uncle's, brother-in-law's, neighbor's, told me otherwise

I miss Collector Freak

 

[nash]

Well my Dad's, friend's, co-worker's, son's, room mate's, uncle's, brother-in-law's, neighbor's, told me otherwise

Is that the guy that works for LFL?

 

[IrishJedi]

Loki, this is not a "Dad's, friend's, co-worker's, son's, room mate's, uncle's, brother-in-law's" thing. I am a Production Manager/Project Manager for a living. And I also work freelance in the movie props business using the very same materials we're talking about here. I'm not getting the wool pulled over my eyes on this one.

 

[Darth Loki]

Loki, this is not a "Dad's, friend's, co-worker's, son's, room mate's, uncle's, brother-in-law's" thing. I am a Production Manager/Project Manager for a living. I'm not getting the wool pulled over my eyes on this one.

And you're obvioulsy right so I'm done with this thread. Let me know how your next 50 posts about the same thing turn out for ya.

 

[The Josh]

Do you make a conscious effort to be condescending or are you unaware that you sound condescending? Just curious, it doesn't bother me one way or another.

I'm really not trying to be but when you read the same **** over and over that you know is just plain BS. It gets a tad old. There is no ground for really anyone to stand on and all of this is for not really.

But don't you think they had to go through even more R & D with this piece when they found that polystone wasn't going to work? I think that's why we saw a delay before this was announced. It only makes sense that they had to start over with a new material thus even more R & D was involved.

Thank you Loki! This is what I've been saying all along. Irish if you don't buy this then I'd say you don't know as much as you say you know. I'm totally calling Bull **** on your post saying that you know this wasn't the case.

Like Josh pointed out, you have no idea how much the extra R&D, or recasting, cost in the first place. If you had this data to back up your argument im sure majority of us would be rallying to your cause.

What I'm getting from your argument is that Sideshow changed from polystone to ABS so therefore since ABS is cheaper the PF should be cheaper. But do you honestly really believe that no other costs were involved with this change?

I'd be behind it if he had some Data. He doesn't so I'm calling BS.

I honestly believe he does as do some other folks for whatever reason.

 

[nash]

Loki, this is not a "Dad's, friend's, co-worker's, son's, room mate's, uncle's, brother-in-law's" thing. I am a Production Manager/Project Manager for a living. I'm not getting the wool pulled over my eyes on this one.

Irish, Ok how about this then...

Do you honestly believe that SSC is making MORE of a profit margin on this Fett PF than any other product that they have released thus far?

I for one seriously doubt it. It probably costs pennies for them to produce any PF, maquette, comiquette, or figure, and we as the consumers are paying multiple times the amount that the item actually costs. So why now is this so much different?

Youre acting like SSC is going to make way more profit on this since they changed to ABS than any other piece theyve produced to date.

 

[The Josh]

Loki, this is not a "Dad's, friend's, co-worker's, son's, room mate's, uncle's, brother-in-law's" thing. I am a Production Manager/Project Manager for a living. And I also work freelance in the movie props business using the very same materials we're talking about here. I'm not getting the wool pulled over my eyes on this one.