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"The Predator" by Shane Black (2018)
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Predator 2 is so underrated too. It was a good sequel.
Predator 2 is so underrated too. It was a good sequel.
Speaking of the PT, randomly enough I watched "Attack of the Phantom" the fan edit of AOTC made by professional film editor Michael J. Nichols. He didn't suddenly turn into an OT-quality film but it's mind-blowing how watchable he made it with ingenius cutting here and there.
Highlights include:
1. No Dex Jexster diner or little kids with lightsabers. He just has the dying bounty hunter saying "Kamino system....." after being shot by Jango's dart and then Obi-Wan goes to the library, sees that there is an empty space where the planet should be, and then briefly chats with Mace Windu before getting in his ship and heading there.
2. The lines that the Kamino aliens states about "one million clone units, plus another million on the way" are eliminated. They just say they have "an army" so that when Obi-Wan goes to the balcony and sees thousands upon thousands marching it becomes more of a "holy ****" moment reminiscent of Saruman viewing the Uruk-Hai army in TTT for the first time.
3. SO much trimming of Hayden Christensen dialogue and creepy glances. More reactions to Padme instead to show that SHE might actually be becoming interested in him.
4. This might be the big one that completely changes the dynamic between the two: Pretty much every idiotic scene between Anakin and Padme on Naboo were removed except for two. They go to the planet and it's really just her and him the whole time. No dumb throne room sequence where Anakin looks like a whiny idiot. Instead they go right to Padme's apartment (deleted scene) then the balcony where they kiss. NO dialogue in the balcony scene. None! He just looks at her, touches her, they start to kiss and it cuts back to Kamino. No awkward music cutting out as Padme's pulls away. You have no idea *what* they're doing when Obi-Wan is on Kamino.
Then when they cut back to Naboo Anakin is standing outside and Padme comes out in a nightgown and says "You had another nightmare." Holy ****, it totally suggests that they had sex, were both standing outside the same room, and that her reference to "another nightmare" implies multiple nights of sex. Everything changed! Now her standing by him after the murders of the sandpeople and her out of the blue declaration of love before entering the arena has a completely different context and makes sense because you know she's invested in him, even if in a co-dependent sort of way.
Nichols' damn near improves every scene just by cutting 20 minutes out of the film.
He edits it so that it looks like only R2 follows Anakin and Padme into the droid factory, C-3PO is MIA and doesn't show up again until the wedding. He takes out the charging rhino beast that attacks Jango so that it looks like Jango flies down in to the arena and Mace IMMEDIATELY charges him and decapitates him. Nice!
Also he re-edits Mace Windu's arrival so that the Jedi don't all light their sabers until AFTER Mace says "I don't think so." So when Dooku says "You're impossibly outnumbered" it plays like just Mace against the whole planet and then boom, all his buddies show up and everyone starts fighting. With no 3PO, smiling Kit Fisto, or "I call it aggressive negotiations" silliness the arena battle becomes much more relentless with no break until the heroes get surrounded.
He also changes it so that when Yoda announces that if Dooku escapes more planets will fall so that it looks like Anakin and Obi-Wan's gunship turns and then he flips the image to make it look like they are going back to get Dooku (who never flies off on his silly speeder bike.) Instead it just seems like the arrogant Dooku is still relaxing in his hangar close to the arena and that the heroes makes a conscious choice to go back to the belly of the beast rather than deciding to chase his speeder out of blind luck and convenience.
I could go on and on and on, pretty much every scene gets better, pointless and terrible ones are removed, and the context for those that remain are MUCH improved. Lucas literally had a relatively decent movie that was sitting on his hard drive that we could have seen had there been any skill at all exercised in the editing room.
Highlights include:
1. No Dex Jexster diner or little kids with lightsabers. He just has the dying bounty hunter saying "Kamino system....." after being shot by Jango's dart and then Obi-Wan goes to the library, sees that there is an empty space where the planet should be, and then briefly chats with Mace Windu before getting in his ship and heading there.
2. The lines that the Kamino aliens states about "one million clone units, plus another million on the way" are eliminated. They just say they have "an army" so that when Obi-Wan goes to the balcony and sees thousands upon thousands marching it becomes more of a "holy ****" moment reminiscent of Saruman viewing the Uruk-Hai army in TTT for the first time.
3. SO much trimming of Hayden Christensen dialogue and creepy glances. More reactions to Padme instead to show that SHE might actually be becoming interested in him.
4. This might be the big one that completely changes the dynamic between the two: Pretty much every idiotic scene between Anakin and Padme on Naboo were removed except for two. They go to the planet and it's really just her and him the whole time. No dumb throne room sequence where Anakin looks like a whiny idiot. Instead they go right to Padme's apartment (deleted scene) then the balcony where they kiss. NO dialogue in the balcony scene. None! He just looks at her, touches her, they start to kiss and it cuts back to Kamino. No awkward music cutting out as Padme's pulls away. You have no idea *what* they're doing when Obi-Wan is on Kamino.
Then when they cut back to Naboo Anakin is standing outside and Padme comes out in a nightgown and says "You had another nightmare." Holy ****, it totally suggests that they had sex, were both standing outside the same room, and that her reference to "another nightmare" implies multiple nights of sex. Everything changed! Now her standing by him after the murders of the sandpeople and her out of the blue declaration of love before entering the arena has a completely different context and makes sense because you know she's invested in him, even if in a co-dependent sort of way.
Nichols' damn near improves every scene just by cutting 20 minutes out of the film.
He edits it so that it looks like only R2 follows Anakin and Padme into the droid factory, C-3PO is MIA and doesn't show up again until the wedding. He takes out the charging rhino beast that attacks Jango so that it looks like Jango flies down in to the arena and Mace IMMEDIATELY charges him and decapitates him. Nice!
Also he re-edits Mace Windu's arrival so that the Jedi don't all light their sabers until AFTER Mace says "I don't think so." So when Dooku says "You're impossibly outnumbered" it plays like just Mace against the whole planet and then boom, all his buddies show up and everyone starts fighting. With no 3PO, smiling Kit Fisto, or "I call it aggressive negotiations" silliness the arena battle becomes much more relentless with no break until the heroes get surrounded.
He also changes it so that when Yoda announces that if Dooku escapes more planets will fall so that it looks like Anakin and Obi-Wan's gunship turns and then he flips the image to make it look like they are going back to get Dooku (who never flies off on his silly speeder bike.) Instead it just seems like the arrogant Dooku is still relaxing in his hangar close to the arena and that the heroes makes a conscious choice to go back to the belly of the beast rather than deciding to chase his speeder out of blind luck and convenience.
I could go on and on and on, pretty much every scene gets better, pointless and terrible ones are removed, and the context for those that remain are MUCH improved. Lucas literally had a relatively decent movie that was sitting on his hard drive that we could have seen had there been any skill at all exercised in the editing room.
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Oh for ***** sake just get Gary Busey back and Darth Maul him with a robotic lower half
Why not a female Yautja you fake feminist sexist pig!!!
Looks like an instant classic already.
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Only by cheap nostalgia fanatics.
Re: "The Predator" by Shane Black (2018)
says the guy with the mortal kombat avatar....
says the guy with the mortal kombat avatar....
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Travolta would be a good match for a Yautja.
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jye4ever
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LOL!
So it would have been ended with:
How wude!
Ummm...WOW!
So no 3PO in arena with horrible jokes while being dragged around?
Do they still show her conveyer belt scene in the foundry?
Nope! He said in the commentary that his goal was to get it as close to Helm's Deep where you as the audience are thinking "Geez, I'm glad I'm not in the middle of THAT," followed by "Man I hope everyone survives" rather than constant cutting to people cracking jokes and relaxing mid-battle. So in the AOTC edit it's just wall to wall gunfire and lightsaber slice and dice, no dialogue at all. It actually does make it kind of intense.
Yes, though 3PO is gone and he adds an off-camera scream of Padme to explain why Anakin gets distracted and hit in the head with that one beam that knocks him down. He also muted all the dumb growling and climbing noises of the Geonosians in the hallway so that when Anakin stops and puts his hand up it seems like he's using the Force to realize they're there.
Nichols admitted to not liking the conveyor belt scene but he stated that he still wanted the viewer to be able to follow the story and if he removed it completely it wouldn't explain why they were captured and why Anakin didn't have his lightsaber.
He edited out all the dumb dialogue in the Coruscant speeder chase about being as good a swordsman as master Yoda, picking a speeder that was the right color, and Anakin inexplicably having fun and laughing while scaring Obi-Wan in the middle of a high speed chase. No power link couplings either. Just Anakin quietly trying to hunt down Padme's attacker with single-minded purpose.
He also faulted Lucas for going out of his way to declare over and over how perfectly good everyone was and how all the side dialogue from meaningless characters took the focus away from Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan. So he eliminated lines like "I would have gone after her but had to wait until my leg healed." Oh you mean your missing leg? Duh. And "she was the best wife and mother and man could ask for." Nichols was all, "we get it, Clieg Lars is perfect and Shmi Skywalker was perfect. Who gives a **** about what Clieg thought of her, this is Anakin's story so lets ditch the side commentary and watch what he does at her grave." The guy just "gets it" and is able to articulate why much better than I've ever done.
Surprisingly enough he completely eliminated most of the Jango/Obi-Wan fight and the entire asteroid battle. He felt that whenever George realized that the story sucked he'd throw in meaningless "eye candy" action that accomplished NOTHING. He felt both Jango fights were uninteresting and that they both ended with all combatants totally okay so he got rid of them. He thought George should have only teased a Jedi/Jango duel on Kamino and then given us the real deal on Genososis. So he had just a minute or so of Obi-Wan fighting Jango then when Jango's rocket blasts Obi-Wan away he immediately runs up the ship ramp and they fly away as Obi-Wan throws the tracking device.
Then you see Slave I go to Geonosis, fly down to the planet and land, and then Obi-Wan coming out of hyperspace which makes the Jedi seem one step ahead of the bounty hunter rather than the other way around.
jye4ever
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Man that all sounds amazing lol
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Re: "The Predator" by Shane Black (2018)
Just when I thought you were patrician BAM! Back to the pleb bucket.
Just when I thought you were patrician BAM! Back to the pleb bucket.
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