The Sideshow Freaks Fitness Thread

[The Ringer]

Looking great everyone! Taking a break... a few weeks perhaps, I have a lot of PTO time at work to take in December and I'll pick it up hardcore again after some good eating during Thanksgiving.

Ski

These upcoming months are def my enemy as far as all the good eatin. Then all the Resolutioners after.

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

January through May is prime cutting time!

 

[former member DFtM]

Hey I work in Heath and in my own opinion I would not use whey protien. It's really bad on someone's health to say it nicely. It's advertise well so it's the best known and best seller by far. I would highly recommend a vegetarian protien. Might sound dumb but believe me I use it everyday. The one I use if very high quality vega brand. It's the vega nutritional shake. Taste great. No bad effects like whey or soy. But that's my 2 cents.

Umm... that statement pretty much bucks the trend of all the research available.

I'd love to hear exactly why whey is "really bad" for your health.

Especially a whey as refined as the Optimum Nutrition 100% Gold Standard, as pictured in the original post you responded to.

I'm incredibly nutritionally conscious and eat a "primal" diet because of this, and even the most staunch primal/paleo's out there recommend wpi supplementation.

 

[Phil Sierra]

Looking great everyone! Taking a break... a few weeks perhaps, I have a lot of PTO time at work to take in December and I'll pick it up hardcore again after some good eating during Thanksgiving.

Ski

That's my favorite holiday and I will most definitely be cheating.

 

[comicbookguy]

Umm... that statement pretty much bucks the trend of all the research available.

I'd love to hear exactly why whey is "really bad" for your health.

Especially a whey as refined as the Optimum Nutrition 100% Gold Standard, as pictured in the original post you responded to.

I'm incredibly nutritionally conscious and eat a "primal" diet because of this, and even the most staunch primal/paleo's out there recommend wpi supplementation.

It's the casein in dairy products which whey has a lot of. See the movie forks over knifes on hulu. In the end its my anyones choice to buy what they wish. I was just trying to put it out there as I do with my customers. I don't tell them what to buy. Its there choice. But hey whey is by far the best seller.

 

[BadMoon]

I got a sample of BPI's watermelon Build-HD creatine. I liked it so much I went out and got some.

I'm also using GNC's Wheybolic Extreme 60. The GNC Wheybolic it says to take 30 minutes after the workout. Am I good to take the creatine right after the workout? Or is there another better time to take it?

 

[Skiman]

Fads on timings of all supplements in my experience and opinion.

Stimulants is about the only thing to take pre-working out.

Ski

 

[BadMoon]

Fads on timings of all supplements in my experience and opinion.

Stimulants is about the only thing to take pre-working out.

Ski

So no benefits at all when using these products post workout? Or just no benefit on the timing of when you take it?

 

[Skiman]

So no benefits at all when using these products post workout? Or just no benefit on the timing of when you take it?

Post, pre, timing... on anything unless it's caffeine/stimulant. There's some N.O. (Nitric Oxide) supps that work well with combine aminos but the main ingredient that you feel the buzz from is the 300-600 mg of guarana extract (caffeine) that is just as good as coffee. (it's just a stimulant supp in order to get the job done)

Creatine is a supplement that is absorbed through the bones, it's just a matter of taking it for a period of time.

"Protein Shakes", more or less food supplements again the body need time to absorb the nutrients in order to benefit.

Don't believe all this magazine crap about post, pre, perfect timing. It's all a matter of the body being well feed and rested in order to do the work in the gym or whatever training you are doing.

Ski

 

[BadMoon]

Post, pre, timing... on anything unless it's caffeine/stimulant. There's some N.O. (Nitric Oxide) supps that work well with combine aminos but the main ingredient that you feel the buzz from is the 300-600 mg of guarana extract (caffeine) that is just as good as coffee. (it's just a stimulant supp in order to get the job done)

Creatine is a supplement that is absorbed through the bones, it's just a matter of taking it for a period of time.

"Protein Shakes", more or less food supplements again the body need time to absorb the nutrients in order to benefit.

Don't believe all this magazine crap about post, pre, perfect timing. It's all a matter of the body being well feed and rested in order to do the work in the gym or whatever training you are doing.

Ski

I did notice that Saturdays are my best workout days. I have 3 cups of coffee before I work out and I'm a total spazz.

That's good to know on the timing. I didn't really understand how all that mattered as it's "feeding the body" regardless. I guess I can have the creatine in the morning for the hell of it and the Wheybolic as an evening snack. Thanks man!

 

[Mister Ski]

I got a sample of BPI's watermelon Build-HD creatine. I liked it so much I went out and got some.

I'm also using GNC's Wheybolic Extreme 60. The GNC Wheybolic it says to take 30 minutes after the workout. Am I good to take the creatine right after the workout? Or is there another better time to take it?

This is what I use after my workouts. Cookies and Creme flavor. Mmmmm. I take creatine (GNC's Amplified Creatine 189) both before and after working out. I still eat regular meals and use these as supplements only.

 

[BadMoon]

This is what I use after my workouts. Cookies and Creme flavor. Mmmmm. I take creatine (GNC's Amplified Creatine 189) both before and after working out. I still eat regular meals and use these as supplements only.

That's pretty much my plan but I only use the Creatine once. I got a bag of the fruit punch and it tastes like medicine. I can't wait to switch to the chocolate. Do you use the 3 full scoops or 2? I have been using 2 with 8 oz of water. Last night I had 3 with 12oz (the recommended amount) and my stomach bothered me a little.

 

[Mister Ski]

That's pretty much my plan but I only use the Creatine once. I got a bag of the fruit punch and it tastes like medicine. I can't wait to switch to the chocolate. Do you use the 3 full scoops or 2? I have been using 2 with 8 oz of water. Last night I had 3 with 12oz (the recommended amount) and my stomach bothered me a little.

2 scoops with 12 oz water. Unless your a bodybuilder like Skiman, your body can't process that much protein. I didn't like the fruit punch either.

 

[Phil Sierra]

I like this type of body on a woman. Just the right amount of musculature. Not scary muscular and manly like Chyna and not a skinny frail toothpick model either. Oh well enough of that....enjoy fellaz.

[ame]https://youtu.be/RaH4tu5Mt20[/ame]

 

[BadMoon]

2 scoops with 12 oz water. Unless your a bodybuilder like Skiman, your body can't process that much protein. I didn't like the fruit punch either.

I thought that was a ton. My stomach did too.

 

[BadMoon]

I like this type of body on a woman. Just the right amount of musculature. Not scary muscular and manly like Chyna and not a skinny frail toothpick model either. Oh well enough of that....enjoy fellaz.

https://youtu.be/RaH4tu5Mt20

Perfect.

 

[dwing]

I have not read any real data on the amount of protein the body can absorb at any given time. I have noticed any more that 2 scoops for me and it can irritate my tummy. People that IF eat all of their protein in as little as 4 hours from start to finish and take in up to 50-70g/sitting.

 

[former member DFtM]

I have not read any real data on the amount of protein the body can absorb at any given time. I have noticed any more that 2 scoops for me and it can irritate my tummy. People that IF eat all of their protein in as little as 4 hours from start to finish and take in up to 50-70g/sitting.

Yeah, it's a hotly debated topic. Alan Aragon says:

Based on the available evidence, it’s false to assume that the body can only use a certain amount of protein per meal. Studies examining short-term effects have provided hints towards what might be an optimal protein dose for maximizing anabolism, but trials drawn out over longer periods haven’t supported this idea. So, is there a limit to how much protein per meal can be effectively used? Yes there is, but this limit is likely similar to the amount that’s maximally effective in an entire day. What’s the most protein that the body can effectively use in an entire day? The short answer is, a lot more than 20-30 g. --Alan Aragon

The reality is that protein = calories, so if you're trying to get lean, you want to ensure that you're having enough protein in your day but also ensuring you don't have more calories going in than going out.

If you're doing resistance training and want to build muscle and burn some fat on the way, I'd aim to get in 2.5g - 3g of protein per kg of bodyweight per day. If you have to dump calories from somewhere else to accommodate this, then I'd do so.

Creatine is a supplement that is absorbed through the bones, it's just a matter of taking it for a period of time.

Don't believe all this magazine crap about post, pre, perfect timing. It's all a matter of the body being well feed and rested in order to do the work in the gym or whatever training you are doing.

Through the bones???!!! Please link me a resource that backs that up and educate me. My understanding, based on reading the works of sports scientists such as Dr Michael Colgan is that Creatine is stored in the muscles, with excess in other body areas like the brain. It's absorbed into your muscles via your blood via your digestive system - like everything else!
Calcium, however, is absorbed by your bones.

And, timing comes into play for maximising anabolic reaction in the body. If you're going to get really serious, as you'd know being able to go NPC, then you are of course going to time your meals and nutrient intakes in line with your daily training and sleep patterns.
If you're just hitting the gym to lift some weights, then maybe it's not so important - but surely everyone wants to maximise the results of their efforts?
Definitely well fed, as in clean food dense with nutrients, and well rested in terms of lots of sleep (sleep is when the magic happens).

It's the casein in dairy products which whey has a lot of. See the movie forks over knifes on hulu. In the end its my anyones choice to buy what they wish. I was just trying to put it out there as I do with my customers. I don't tell them what to buy. Its there choice. But hey whey is by far the best seller.

Both whey and casein are proteins derived from milk.. but other than that they are completely different.

Maybe you are talking about from a blend? But Whey Protein Isolate is exactly that. Casein is casein. A protein blend might have casein with WPI and WPC... but whey is whey. I guess it's possible to have some cross-contamination during a manufacturing process, but typically WPI is a highly refined and filtered product that extracts the isolate and only the isolate from the milk protein base. So if you were extremely allergic to milk, go veg - otherwise...

But even staunch paleo/primalists, such as Mark Sisson, who don't drink milk or eat cheese recommend whey proteins as the refinement kills the milk elements.

So no benefits at all when using these products post workout? Or just no benefit on the timing of when you take it?

Everyone has a different opinion. I personally train in the morning and I supplement Creatine, Protein and BCAAs.

I take creatine and protein pre-workout, BCAAs during my workout and protein with a little dextrose immediately after training.
Then I will space out further protein intake throughout the day attempting to get as much of it as possible from real food.

This has worked really well for me and I started this structure based on advice from a mate (who is 2 x Jnr INBA Olympia and Mr Australia)... he absolutely walks the walk - and I place a lot of trust in what he says.

Hope that helps!

 

[Skiman]

I believe its much simplier but those are my methods. If anyone would like to disagree that is their right.

I won't quote studies and doctors (just google creatine and bone density, you'll see tons of articles, etc...) that's basically the kind of material I stay away from especially in the bodybuilding industry. None of the items have been on the market long enough for anyone to know side effects including phd's.

Take my advice or not... The guys that have seen pics of me here proves enough... So... Eh, do what you think is right to each their own.

Ski

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[former member DFtM]

I believe its much simplier but those are my methods. If anyone would like to disagree that is their right.

I won't quote studies and doctors (just google creatine and bone density, you'll see tons of articles, etc...) that's basically the kind of material I stay away from especially in the bodybuilding industry. None of the items have been on the market long enough for anyone to know side effects including phd's.

Take my advice or not... The guys that have seen pics of me here proves enough... So... Eh, do what you think is right to each their own.

Ski

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Certainly not trying to say you're full of it mate - just hadn't heard of creatine as absorbtion through bones before...

I have heard of people linking creatine with bone density increases in people performing resistance training.. but resistance training increases bone density and improves/thicken ligaments anyway.. so I guess I'd probably put creatine and bone-density in the "d'uh of course if you're already lifting" category.

I understand how creatine functions in the muscle to regenerate ATP, but just haven't heard of it in regard to absorption into the bones!!

I will do some googling on the subject because I'm genuinely interested. Lifting is my passion.

In terms of side-effects etc.. well, creatine's been studied for over 20 years now and is well documented. But I agree with you regarding pre-workout pump up ***** etc etc etc... frankly, people should have a coffee if they can't wake up and some creatine and just go lift all the things!!