The Substance

[Felinx]

It kinda has to be that way though. You couldn't have a film about the horrors of war and not show any violence.

 

[Dave_W]

That’s reality.

Girls don’t want a guy who’ll be available like their big brother or father, unconditionally.

That guy was painted to be an *****,
just like the rest of the men in this.

He hands her a wet ripped paper with his number on it despite having dry paper on hand to re-write his number down.

This is to make him appear weak, soft, no confidence; a loser.

All the other men are painted as the devil reincarnated.

I’ve never in my life ate food like the guy eats shrimp, it’s meant to make him appear like a beast, like men aren’t there mentally.
Zero self awareness.

She only called the nerd to get her confidence back up, for her ego.
As her confidence has since faded.

Exactly. That's real life. There's no Hollywood agenda against men here. It was showing that the beautiful people are hideous and treat the nice guys as losers. They even abuse themselves for power.

Of course you could, and its been done many times -- you could show the aftermath, the death and destruction. You could do things through suggestion -- for example, many movies generally don't show the specific horrors of the gas chambers functioning in Nazi Germany, instead you hear screams, see reactions, see smoke billowing from stacks, etc. There's a million ways to do things as opposed to exploiting what your shaming as exploitive.

Don't show the shark, show the barrel.

Having that violence right in your face though has a more shocking impact though.

What would mess you up more, hearing the screams from those gas chambers or seeing what happened in every detail as well?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Having that violence right in your face though has a more shocking impact though.

What would mess you up more, hearing the screams from those gas chambers or seeing what happened in every detail as well?

That's a matter of opinion, and ability. There's been a lot of good scares in cinema that weren't about showing the worst part of something.

But I think we're digressing into something else. Somehow we're equating showing people being gassed as the same as showing a hot girl's buttocks and that's not what I was saying, and it certainly doesn't appeal to the same urges.

Let's take Sucker Punch. So the incarcerated girl suffering from severe exploitation is having escapist fantasies about going off to battle giant samurais in thigh high stockings and a mini-shirt that barely covers her? Does that message make sense to you? Snyder shows how she's being exploited in the real world but then, in her woman-power escapist dreams he also exploits her visually -- her own fantasies are exploitive.

I haven't seen The Substance, but I was gathering that maybe its one of those movies that exploit the subject matter to sell tickets but then shame the audience for being aroused by the exploitation.

 

[Dave_W]

Snyder stuff doesn't count I just think trying to put across how vulgar something is, is done best by being vulgar. Put it right in your face so you can't escape it, you can't interpret it how you want to. This is what it is, and you will see it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Snyder stuff doesn't count

That is truth.

 

[Felinx]

Snyder stuff doesn't count I just think trying to put across how vulgar something is, is done best by being vulgar. Put it right in your face so you can't escape it, you can't interpret it how you want to. This is what it is, and you will see it.

To quote Truffaut, showing anything onscreen ennobles/glorifies it. From war to the exploitation of booty.

 

[wormlander]

So... this is actually a terrible movie, just has female nudity and blood so boys are lining up? That's sad to hear.

There's not enough female nudity to make it anywhere near worthwhile unfortunately. Unless you've always dreamed of seeing the offspring of the thing and the fly do onlyfans...

 

[crows]

That's a matter of opinion, and ability. There's been a lot of good scares in cinema that weren't about showing the worst part of something.

But I think we're digressing into something else. Somehow we're equating showing people being gassed as the same as showing a hot girl's buttocks and that's not what I was saying, and it certainly doesn't appeal to the same urges.

Let's take Sucker Punch. So the incarcerated girl suffering from severe exploitation is having escapist fantasies about going off to battle giant samurais in thigh high stockings and a mini-shirt that barely covers her? Does that message make sense to you? Snyder shows how she's being exploited in the real world but then, in her woman-power escapist dreams he also exploits her visually -- her own fantasies are exploitive.

I haven't seen The Substance, but I was gathering that maybe its one of those movies that exploit the subject matter to sell tickets but then shame the audience for being aroused by the exploitation.

the substance creature , imagine this but a lady

 

[wormlander]

the substance creature , imagine this but a lady

That's definitely the CUTE sibling right there...