The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[Centurion]

I guess season's 1-6 were family friendly then?

Right?!

 

[Centurion]

i never said it should be a happy show, i just said the story has lost all hope for me. You can have a story that is brutal, but still have some ray of hope. I personally dont need to see these people suffer anymore. I dont need to see everyone they care about die. Because to me, that is now the point of the show. You will watch everyone you care about die and die in an over the top brutal way. There is no end to the misery. Even if they defeat Negan, someone else will just take his place that will be worse. I don't find that entertaining anymore. I can deal with brutality in a story as long as the story is moving along, but this show isn't for me. its just a show about watching characters you like die. The show was about survival from a zombie plague, but its turned into a show about human brutality. I just dont need to see anymore of it.

With all due respect, to me this sounds like you will still be watching the show.

 

[a-dev]

i never said it should be a happy show, i just said the story has lost all hope for me. You can have a story that is brutal, but still have some ray of hope. I personally dont need to see these people suffer anymore. I dont need to see everyone they care about die. Because to me, that is now the point of the show. You will watch everyone you care about die and die in an over the top brutal way. There is no end to the misery. Even if they defeat Negan, someone else will just take his place that will be worse. I don't find that entertaining anymore. I can deal with brutality in a story as long as the story is moving along, but this show isn't for me. its just a show about watching characters you like die. The show was about survival from a zombie plague, but its turned into a show about human brutality. I just dont need to see anymore of it.

I can see myself getting here eventually but I'm not there yet. Maybe because I knew about Negan and things he does thanks to comic readers. This stuff was shocking to watch but at the same time not unexpected. When the show starts overtaking the comic and they start repeating the same stuff and it continues to rely on upping the ante of the violence and death then I'll start to ask ''Is this going anywhere? Can it do anything else? Will I bother continuing to watch?''

 

[morphosis]

With all due respect, to me this sounds like you will still be watching the show.

i promise you i won't be. i shut off the last episode after about 30 min and I didn't finish it and i never will.

 

[crows]

Bycicle zombie girl is one of the most horrific zombie ever created and we saw it right of the bat, first episode.
Then we see a horse being eaten alive, plus the little girl getting shot.
I mean, first two episodes we got gore.

I dont think the gore this episode was the problem.
If it was eugene instead of glenn no one would be freaking out.

It was more the connection everyone had with glenn.
The same exact death could have been given to a bad guy like the governor and people would be cheering

 

[Hydeous]

I thought Negan riding around with Rick in the RV and giving him a tour of the bridge walkers was ineffective and a lame way to stall showing which members die for about 25 minutes. The whole "get my hatchet" thing amongst all those walkers was dumb and needless. That and intercutting to random visions and Rick's sad baby blue eyes as he laid on top of the RV was just obnoxious. I lost interest pretty fast.

There was a more tasteful way to handle the episode. Cut out the "artsy" crap and trippy flashbacks and foggy Negan/Rick joy ride walker stroll and I think the episode would have been better. You only needed ONE walker in this episode and that was the one at the end when they're driving away that eats Glenn or Abraham's brains.

The acting was great though. Everyone brought their A-game except for the kid that plays Carl. I was impressed, the drama was real. The practical effects were awesome too. Glenn's cleaved in head and protruding eyeball was fantastic. Even the little headless puppet that was twitching with the classic motor skills hand gesture was well done. Waaaay better than Herschel's demise from an effect standpoint. The arm thing with Negan, Carl and Rick was a great addition as well. The psychology behind that was well done. I knew Negan wasn't serious.

But yeah, get rid of all the stupid Rock visions, POV's and the dumb RV/walker joy ride and it would have been perfect. They should have just tacked on the Abraham/Glenn killings and the aftermath (Carl almost getting his arm chopped off) to last season. The cliff hanger and 25 minute wait in Rick's head is bad pacing. It'll play even worse on subsequent viewings or for someone binging the seasons/episodes.

I've got no interest in this show beyond Negan and, hopefully, Daryl's demise. Negan taking Daryl hostage was such a stupid idea and reeked of fan service (MUH tough guy, forever the bad ass loner). In a perfect world it would have been Glenn and Daryl getting Lucilled. Like Glenn and Abraham, Daryl's character has no where else to go. He had his arc, he did his thing. Now all the writers do with him is get him hurt, captured or split from the group. He's been separated about as many times as Carol has left the group. It's stupid. Kill him off.


Speaking of characters, this is going to be a very good thing for Maggie's development. She'll only get better, like Merle, Carol and Eugene. All out war should be decent.

Good summary.

I was really surprised when I saw Rick breaking down crying hysterically with snort on his nose. That was some pretty impressive acting there.

 

[screamingmetal]

October 2014: This show takes no risks. All the main characters are golden and all they ever do is talk and walk around and bore me.

October 2016: This show has no shame. Main characters are cruelly killed off and the excess of action and gore are grossly gratuitous.

I don't feel that way. I was summarizing the tone of a few people on this thread. Just in case that wasn't clear.

If that includes me then that's not at all how I feel. The first issue I have is the show writers are being overly manipulative with the repetitive formula of the show such as the cliffhanger of who's going to die with the end of Season 6, then the conclusion to that is just beat the s#tt out of people in the most graphic way possible by an as.shole gloating over them and then leave them to literately pick up the gory pieces, the end.
I felt no connection to these characters during the episode and apathetic by it, I think because it feels so manipulative. While watching it I found myself wishing the producers had the balls to just kill off every damn character on the show in the most graphic way possible except for Eugene, and have him lead the series from here on out just to piss off every last fan they had. This episode and the last have no redeemable quality to it for me, if there was some catharses, like after Negan killed Glenn and Abraham, Rick managed to escape so he could plan to save his people or have Morgan arrive and be forced to give up his pacifism by shooting and killing Negan's soldiers so that the others can escape, something positive about the episode, then I would've had something other then depression when this soap opera was over.
It's not the gore and violence, I was 9 years old when I saw the Untouchables in 1989 and I didn't have any issue with the bat scene that Kirkman copied to a degree because the Untouchables had a satisfying conclusion. And the last thing I'd want is for Books, Music, Comic Books, TV shows, or Movies to be censored because someone doesn't like it.
Over the past 6 seasons, I find The Walking Dead is just too Nihilistic for me.

 

[a-dev]

This episode and the last have no redeemable quality to it for me, if there was some catharses, like after Negan killed Glenn and Abraham, Rick managed to escape so he could plan to save his people or have Morgan arrive and be forced to give up his pacifism by shooting and killing Negan's soldiers so that the others can escape, something positive about the episode, then I would've had something other then depression when this soap opera was over.

They've always done that. I'm thinking in particular about Carol's rescue of the group from the cannibals or Glen not really dying at that dumpster. The no-way-out situation presented by this episode was bucking the trend. If there had been a rescue a whole swathe of other viewers would have been rolling their eyes.

 

[greygoose]

The show was about survival from a zombie plague, but its turned into a show about human brutality. I just dont need to see anymore of it.

IMO the show's selling point now is that it's gone beyond the zombie survival stage - it's a point movies rarely reach. If the world did go to ****, no laws, pure survival, this is exactly how people would behave.

 

[meth head]

Aside the brutality of this new episode, I personally think this show has been crying out for a new dynamic and now it has one. I have been following the show from the very beginning but admit to finding it incredibly tedious from a narrative perspective. The same narrative has been replayed over and over from season to season and for that reason I asked myself is this show actually doing anything, is it going anywhere?! For the first time in a good while I think the dynamic has now shifted and for me my interest is piqued. Just my two cents, but I didn't find the brutality over the top or unexpected. I think calls of gore porn etc are frankly ridiculous. The episode and the the incidents that took place will now drive the new dynamic and something that will be reverberated throughout the seasons to come.

 

[meth head]

IMO the show's selling point now is that it's gone beyond the zombie survival stage - it's a point movies rarely reach. If the world did go to ****, no laws, pure survival, this is exactly how people would behave.

Exactly! In a lawless society, man will retreat to very animalistic behaviours. I can't say that what Negan did was at all surprising given the context?!

 

[morphosis]

IMO the show's selling point now is that it's gone beyond the zombie survival stage - it's a point movies rarely reach. If the world did go to ****, no laws, pure survival, this is exactly how people would behave.

if thats the point, then i've seen more than enough. they will survive for a while, and then be killed. I just don't need to see any more of it.

 

[Centurion]

They've always done that. I'm thinking in particular about Carol's rescue of the group from the cannibals or Glen not really dying at that dumpster. The no-way-out situation presented by this episode was bucking the trend. If there had been a rescue a whole swathe of other viewers would have been rolling their eyes.

Indeed. The point being, which will always be true, you can't please everyone.

 

[morphosis]

I can see myself getting here eventually but I'm not there yet. Maybe because I knew about Negan and things he does thanks to comic readers. This stuff was shocking to watch but at the same time not unexpected. When the show starts overtaking the comic and they start repeating the same stuff and it continues to rely on upping the ante of the violence and death then I'll start to ask ''Is this going anywhere? Can it do anything else? Will I bother continuing to watch?''

Yeah, i just got to that point where i dont feel there is anywhere for the show to go other than seeing brutal death over and over, having to top the last one.

 

[screamingmetal]

They've always done that. I'm thinking in particular about Carol's rescue of the group from the cannibals or Glen not really dying at that dumpster. The no-way-out situation presented by this episode was bucking the trend. If there had been a rescue a whole swathe of other viewers would have been rolling their eyes.

I'm not saying they should do exactly what I suggested just that there needs to be something satisfying at the end of the last two episodes and perhaps at the end of the last 6 seasons. Also I feel there needs to be some kind of plot other than pure survival for the series at this point.
The Carol rescue is one that sticks out in my mind, I think everyone loved that scenario and that character, there was something very satisfying about it, now look at what they did to Carol, they destroyed the character imo. and I just don't care what happens to her from this moment on.

Maybe this episode would've gone over better if they released it with a few other episodes so we can continue watching towards some kind of cathartic moment, then it wouldn't have left me feeling so dour afterwards.

 

[greygoose]

if thats the point, then i've seen more than enough. they will survive for a while, and then be killed. I just don't need to see any more of it.

The show has been that way since season 3. I don't see how Negan is any worse than a group of cannibals or guys with W's scarred on their heads slaughtering innocent people. Negan has his motives - the Terminus cannibals and Wolves didn't.

 

[morphosis]

The show has been that way since season 3. I don't see how Negan is any worse than a group of cannibals or guys with W's scarred on their heads slaughtering innocent people. Negan has his motives - the Terminus cannibals and Wolves didn't.

well, your making my point. The show is only about brutal death. There is no other point to the show that i can see. they survive one brutal and disgusting group of people, one after another. And as i said several times, I just have had enough. But i am sure the show will survive without me watching it

 

[screamingmetal]

I genuinely laughed at that for awhile.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

The show has been that way since season 3. I don't see how Negan is any worse than a group of cannibals or guys with W's scarred on their heads slaughtering innocent people. Negan has his motives - the Terminus cannibals and Wolves didn't.

I think people are horrified at Glenn's appearance - his eye in particular, whilst he tried to speak to Maggie - the mother of his unborn child who has to watch him die.

I also think people were shocked that a father was asked to cut his own son's arm off.

People keep saying "it's always been brutal so get over it" and that is true - but it's the sadism and torture porn surrounding these deaths that has put people off.

 

[pixletwin]

I think the term "torture porn" is thrown around without thinking.

What is porn? It's people actually doing the deed in front of camera. Real people doing real stuff.

These are imaginary characters doing imaginary things to each other with rubber bats, gooey makeup, and prosthetics.

TWD dead could only be correctly termed "torture porn" if the actors where actually doing these things. As it is, it is fantastical. You really should just "get over it". If the fake gore bothers you, you may be right to stop watching it... that being said, why did you ever watch it in the first place?