The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[FLOSI]

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We don't know that, and that pretty much describes her relationship with Rick right now. And honestly, I don't think there's a member of this forum who wouldn't have done what Shane did at the hospital. For all intents and purposes, Rick was dead-ish, and if Shane hadn't have barred the room and bailed, they'd both have died.

Agree on all accounts. Really, it's hard to say that anything Shane has done, outside of trying to force himself on Lori and shooting Otis to save himself (and Carl), was all that out of line. We know that Shane will continue to devolve so we assume that all of his past actions are also malicious, but that's just not true. We expect all of these fictional characters to be so selfless, but it's not that out of line for Shane to assume Rick was dead, all things considered. Really, how could/would he assume otherwise? And even if he thought Rick was alive, who would he ever think that Rick would find their group? It's not like he can just write them an email, or text, or call.

 

[Darth Waller]

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Did you miss the part where he shoved the hospital bed in front of Rick's room door, before running out?

Oh, yeah! I'd completely forgotten about that scene.

It's not like he can just write them an email, or text, or call.

You mean my iPhone won't work during zombiegeddon?

 

[barryo]

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We don't know that, and that pretty much describes her relationship with Rick right now. And honestly, I don't think there's a member of this forum who wouldn't have done what Shane did at the hospital. For all intents and purposes, Rick was dead-ish, and if Shane hadn't have barred the room and bailed, they'd both have died.

Agreed. Shane has gone above and beyond. But once Rick showed up, he had to stand down. No other choice. This is not his wife or child. He will never take the place of Rick.

a bit ot but maybe not as to shane's character. did anyone get the feeling at the beginning of the series when it flashed to shane & rick talking in the cruiser about rick & lori's problems that shane was having an affair with lori already..........or at the least wanted to swoop in if the marriage ended?........that was my first hint that he was a bit of a doosher.

 

[thenammagazine]

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a bit ot but maybe not as to shane's character. did anyone get the feeling at the beginning of the series when it flashed to shane & rick talking in the cruiser about rick & lori's problems that shane was having an affair with lori already..........or at the least wanted to swoop in if the marriage ended?........that was my first hint that he was a bit of a doosher.

I got more the impression that maybe he used to date Lori and Rick was there to scoop up the sloppy seconds. There seems to be a LOT more history between the two in the series than in the comics.

 

[siquisiri]

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I keep telling my GF to watch this with me, but she's too much of a pusshy. It's on par with Sopranos and Dexter i say, but alas it has Zombies, she has to miss out on it!)


/WEAK SAUCE


(The trailer for the new season gave my 9 year old girl nightmares for 2 nights in a row...Sign of a good TV series i say)

 

[barryo]

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I got more the impression that maybe he used to date Lori and Rick was there to scoop up the sloppy seconds. There seems to be a LOT more history between the two in the series than in the comics.

yea thats what's kind of strange with this thread..............you have the people that read the comics & those that dont (me). and even though kirkman has said it won't follow the comics completely i personally like watching this show without any kind of hints at all.
keep up those spoiler tags freaks...........

 

[Darth Waller]

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keep up those spoiler tags freaks...........

So if you want to say something bad about barryo, put it in a spoiler tag.

 

[thenammagazine]

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yea thats what's kind of strange with this thread..............you have the people that read the comics & those that dont (me). and even though kirkman has said it won't follow the comics completely i personally like watching this show without any kind of hints at all.
keep up those spoiler tags freaks...........

Didn't see that as spoiler tag material.

 

[Darth_Fatso]

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We don't know that, and that pretty much describes her relationship with Rick right now. And honestly, I don't think there's a member of this forum who wouldn't have done what Shane did at the hospital. For all intents and purposes, Rick was dead-ish, and if Shane hadn't have barred the room and bailed, they'd both have died.

This. It was also a very chaotic situation with the soldiers killing anything that moved as well as the zombies breaking in, he needed to act fast. You could see the pain in Shane's face when he left Rick behind at the hospital. I never felt there was any malicious intent when he left Rick behind. If he really wanted Rick dead at the time, he would have left his door open so the zombies would get him.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Yes and no. Shane pretty much adopted them as his family and loved them as such. She expects Shane to just turn that off. Additionally, her BS with Carl, "Don't talk to him like that" and "You don't have to be mean" when explicitly ordering him to leave Carl alone, it's a-typical woman BS. She's not considering his emotions in the matter now that Rick's back. She wants her cake and wants to eat it too. There's plenty enough blame for Shane's current state of mind to toss in her direction. He's essentially lost a wife and kids but is forced to not only see them every day but told he can't act out and then expected to do just that. Those are mind games. Plus, she hasn't exactly been forthcoming with Rick either.



Kirkman's not an idiot and he doesn't treat his characters like idiots either. Again, it was all over Glenn's face when he picked up the EPT from the pharmacy and the awkwardness when he passed it off to Lori. Kirkman's even gone on record as hinting that even Rick might start to know something.

Agree to disagree here. Glenn had an uneasiness on his face when he picked up the pregnancy test, but I still think it is because he can't believe someone might be having a baby in this hellish new world they live in. Does anyone know how long has Rick been back with the group? If it is more than 4 weeks then the baby could be Rick's.

What I love about this show is all the debates and discussions that it creates about all things great and small. Truly one of the best shows on tv right now.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Agree on all accounts. Really, it's hard to say that anything Shane has done, outside of trying to force himself on Lori and shooting Otis to save himself (and Carl), was all that out of line. We know that Shane will continue to devolve so we assume that all of his past actions are also malicious, but that's just not true. We expect all of these fictional characters to be so selfless, but it's not that out of line for Shane to assume Rick was dead, all things considered. Really, how could/would he assume otherwise? And even if he thought Rick was alive, who would he ever think that Rick would find their group? It's not like he can just write them an email, or text, or call.

Isn't that enough to vilify him?

An almost rapist and a murderer does not = good guy material in my book. And let's face it, at that moment he saved himself - not Carl. He had no way of knowing he wouldn't run into more zombies on his way back to the farm after shooting Otis. He used the last of his ammo to buy himself more time to get away from that pack of zombies. Carl is just a convenient cover for his despicable action with Otis.

As for his past actions, I don't think it is a stretch to say that it was the beginning of his slide down the slippery morality slope his character is on right now.

 

[Darth_Fatso]

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Isn't that enough to vilify him?

An almost rapist and a murderer does not = good guy material in my book. And let's face it, at that moment he saved himself - not Carl. He had no way of knowing he wouldn't run into more zombies on his way back to the farm after shooting Otis. He used the last of his ammo to buy himself more time to get away from that pack of zombies. Carl is just a convenient cover for his despicable action with Otis.

As for his past actions, I don't think it is a stretch to say that it was the beginning of his slide down the slippery morality slope his character is on right now.

Indeed. Like I said I don't think there was any malicious intent when he left Rick behind but after Shane's relationship with Lori and Carl became stronger and Rick returned and Lori rejected him, it caused him to crack mentally. When he beat the crap out of Ed, it wasn't because Ed was abusive towards Carol, it was because Lori had just pretty much told him to ____ off and Shane was just blowing off steam. Almost everything Shane has done since Rick's return shows he's more concerned about himself than anyone else.

 

[barryo]

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So if you want to say something bad about barryo, put it in a spoiler tag.

Spoiler

quit wasting time in this thread & get that bossk bust in the mail waller

 

[thenammagazine]

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This. It was also a very chaotic situation with the soldiers killing anything that moved as well as the zombies breaking in, he needed to act fast. You could see the pain in Shane's face when he left Rick behind at the hospital. I never felt there was any malicious intent when he left Rick behind. If he really wanted Rick dead at the time, he would have left his door open so the zombies would get him.

There wasn't. And honestly, Shane could've just double-tapped Rick in the hospital bed and had Lori and Carl to himself if that were the case. Nobody would've known and nobody would've cared.

Isn't that enough to vilify him?

An almost rapist and a murderer does not = good guy material in my book. And let's face it, at that moment he saved himself - not Carl. He had no way of knowing he wouldn't run into more zombies on his way back to the farm after shooting Otis. He used the last of his ammo to buy himself more time to get away from that pack of zombies. Carl is just a convenient cover for his despicable action with Otis.

As for his past actions, I don't think it is a stretch to say that it was the beginning of his slide down the slippery morality slope his character is on right now.

You can't look at Shane's actions from an "every day schmoe" perspective. They're in a different world. The almost rapist thing is inexcusable but the mindset that led to that isn't all his fault. Lori's tap dancing on his emotions. As for Otis, he couldn't have survived with Otis. Otis wouldn't have made it if Shane had taken his place. And in the end, it was what needed to be done in a world that's ____. Rick's a straight shooter, but they'd all be dead if it weren't for Shane. He seems like the only person with the balls and capability of doing what needs to be done under the circumstances.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Indeed. Like I said I don't think there was any malicious intent when he left Rick behind but after Shane's relationship with Lori and Carl became stronger and Rick returned and Lori rejected him, it caused him to crack mentally. When he beat the crap out of Ed, it wasn't because Ed was abusive towards Carol, it was because Lori had just pretty much told him to ____ off and Shane was just blowing off steam. Almost everything Shane has done since Rick's return shows he's more concerned about himself than anyone else.

I agree with this and agree with what Nam said that most, if not all, of us would probably have done the same thing at the hospital with Rick. The difference would be that I would not have lied to Lori about Rick being dead. I would have told her the truth that it was crazy at the hospital with the military and zombies killing any and everyone and that it just wasn't possible to get him out of there alive. Shane did not tell Lori this because he wanted to get her and Carl out of there and head towards Atlanta (and supposed safety) with him and she said she never would have left if she knew Rick was still alive. So Shane was actually being selfish here too and this is most likely the reason why Lori was so pissed at him when Rick showed up alive.

 

[saintsyn]

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Ask and you shall receive. That's all I could find, though.

NOICE!!!!!! Unt CHUNKY!!!!!!

 

[thenammagazine]

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I agree with this and agree with what Nam said that most, if not all, of us would probably have done the same thing at the hospital with Rick. The difference would be that I would not have lied to Lori about Rick being dead. I would have told her the truth that it was crazy at the hospital with the military and zombies killing any and everyone and that it just wasn't possible to get him out of there alive. Shane did not tell Lori this because he wanted to get her and Carl out of there and head towards Atlanta (and supposed safety) with him and she said she never would have left if she knew Rick was still alive. So Shane was actually being selfish here too and this is most likely the reason why Lori was so pissed at him when Rick showed up alive.

Congratulations, you just killed Lori and Carl. There's absolutely no way she would've left knowing Rick might still be alive, and seeing as Carl is her only family, no way she would've sent him with Shane. See how that works?

 

[Mister Ski]

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There wasn't. And honestly, Shane could've just double-tapped Rick in the hospital bed and had Lori and Carl to himself if that were the case. Nobody would've known and nobody would've cared.



You can't look at Shane's actions from an "every day schmoe" perspective. They're in a different world. The rapist thing is inexcusable but the mindset that led to that isn't all his fault. As for Otis, he couldn't have survived with Otis. Otis wouldn't have made it if Shane had taken his place. And in the end, it was what needed to be done in a world that's ____. Rick's a straight shooter, but they'd all be dead if it weren't for Shane. He seems like the only person with the balls and capability of doing what needs to be done under the circumstances.

Well what if Shane took the supplies from Otis to ease his burden and help him gain some distance between the zombies instead of just capping Otis and fighting to get the supplies away from him? This way, if Otis could not make it back as you say, then Shane would not have shot him and would have done actions that tried to prolong BOTH of their lives instead of just his.

It seems like the show is splitting "comic" Rick into two people; "show" Rick = good guy Rick in the comics and "show" Shane = the bad guy Rick in the comics.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Well what if Shane took the supplies from Otis to ease his burden and help him gain some distance between the zombies instead of just capping Otis and fighting to get the supplies away from him? This way, if Otis could not make it back as you say, then Shane would not have shot him and would have done actions that tried to prolong BOTH of their lives instead of just his.

It seems like the show is splitting "comic" Rick into two people; "show" Rick = good guy Rick in the comics and "show" Shane = the bad guy Rick in the comics.

They would've run out, in the end. Shane was handicapped with a jacked ankle and barely got out doubling the load with Otis as a kicking and screaming distraction (remember, Otis wasn't carrying ____ but a rifle when they were running back to the farm and he had to stop). At this point, I'm even starting to think that Shane was more concerned about redeeming himself with Lori by getting the ____ back than he was staying alive.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Congratulations, you just killed Lori and Carl. There's absolutely no way she would've left knowing Rick might still be alive, and seeing as Carl is her only family, no way she would've sent him with Shane. See how that works?

So you're saying Shane would just leave Lori and Carl? Not very heroic in my book. You scenario just further proves how selfish Shane can be. Morgan and his son stayed in that town and survived. Why couldn't Shane (a law enforcement official who had access the all sorts of firearms) not also make a go of it with Lori and Carl? Then head back to the hospital when the chaos died down to check on Rick.