The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[thenammagazine]

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So you're saying Shane would just leave Lori and Carl? Not very heroic in my book. You scenario just further proves how selfish Shane can be. Morgan and his son stayed in that town and survived. Why couldn't Shane (a law enforcement official who had access the all sorts of firearms) not also make a go of it with Lori and Carl? Then head back to the hospital when the chaos died down to check on Rick.

Well, no. He probably would've stayed too and they'd all be dead. Great, see? You just ruined the show!

It never really showed how adamant the military was about purging the town, but I would assume it would be like a Crazies scenario, with them killing everything, alive or dead, when doing the door-to-door.

 

[Mister Ski]

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They would've run out, in the end. Shane was handicapped with a jacked ankle and barely got out doubling the load with Otis as a kicking and screaming distraction (remember, Otis wasn't carrying ____ but a rifle when they were running back to the farm and he had to stop). At this point, I'm even starting to think that Shane was more concerned about redeeming himself with Lori by getting the ____ back than he was staying alive.

Otis was carrying the medical supplies too. That is what Shane fought him over after he shot him.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Well, no. He probably would've stayed too and they'd all be dead. Great, see? You just ruined the show!

This is why I don't write for Hollywood.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Otis was carrying the medical supplies too. That is what Shane fought him over after he shot him.

I get that. But then he took them off of Otis. There's no other way that would've worked, than the way it played out. Them's the breaks.

 

[Darth_Fatso]

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I agree with this and agree with what Nam said that most, if not all, of us would probably have done the same thing at the hospital with Rick. The difference would be that I would not have lied to Lori about Rick being dead. I would have told her the truth that it was crazy at the hospital with the military and zombies killing any and everyone and that it just wasn't possible to get him out of there alive. Shane did not tell Lori this because he wanted to get her and Carl out of there and head towards Atlanta (and supposed safety) with him and she said she never would have left if she knew Rick was still alive. So Shane was actually being selfish here too and this is most likely the reason why Lori was so pissed at him when Rick showed up alive.

Shane probably figured Rick was dead or would never wake up. Shane still gave Rick a fighting chance by blocking his door so the zombies couldn't get to him. Like you said if he had told Lori he left Rick at the hospital and was unsure whether he was dead or not, she probably wouldn't have left. Shane was trying to save her and Carl. That being said once he got her to safety he could have told her but what good would that of done?

I agree though, at this point in time, Shane is more concerned about his own well being especially with what happened with Otis. He may or may not be sorry for what he did but I believe he was more concerned about himself at that point.

 

[Darth_Fatso]

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You can't look at Shane's actions from an "every day schmoe" perspective. They're in a different world. The almost rapist thing is inexcusable but the mindset that led to that isn't all his fault. Lori's tap dancing on his emotions. As for Otis, he couldn't have survived with Otis. Otis wouldn't have made it if Shane had taken his place. And in the end, it was what needed to be done in a world that's ____. Rick's a straight shooter, but they'd all be dead if it weren't for Shane. He seems like the only person with the balls and capability of doing what needs to be done under the circumstances.

In all honesty, in a real life scenario, I think Shane and the Dixon's would be the most likely to survive the longest. In the end what Shane did was unforgivable, but they are literally living in a dog eat dog world and when your desperate, you find yourself doing horrible things to survive. Like I said I want to see Shane bite it soon and what he did to Otis was despicable but I'd be lying if I said I can't see myself doing what he did in the same situation (though I probably would have a much harder time doing it to someone that just saved me).

 

[thenammagazine]

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In all honesty, in a real life scenario, I think Shane and the Dixon's would be the most likely to survive the longest. In the end what Shane did was unforgivable, but they are literally living in a dog eat dog world and when your desperate, you find yourself doing horrible things to survive. Like I said I want to see Shane bite it soon and what he did to Otis was despicable but I'd be lying if I said I can't see myself doing what he did in the same situation (though I probably would have a much harder time doing it to someone that just saved me).

Did anybody stop and ask themselves, if there was an easier way for Otis to get out, why didn't they both just take that way? Instead, that fat bastard left Shane to suffer the majority of zombies, a near bite and a 20ft drop, while he waltzed out the easy route unbitten and unstrained.

 

[RyanSD]

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It would be touch to be in Shane's shoes, and that's why I empathize with the character, probably moreso than any other at this point. He tries to save his friend at the hospital, knows he can't, but still does the best to help him in his state.

Then he gets Lori and Carl out of town, and protects and takes care of them. He obviously has emotions for Lori, that may or may not have been brought on by the circumstances, we don't know the whole history yet. Then Rick comes back, and all he's done is pretty much down the drain, and he's stuck with his emotions and Lori playing games with him.

When it comes to self preservation and the safety of those you care about, one can't blame Shane for what he did to Otis. Otis never had a chance.

If anything, Shane's a sympathetic character and if anything Lori is the _____ pulling on his heart strings. The attempted rape obviously was a bad thing, but he was drunk and had been dealing with a ____storm of emotions at that point. Then she wants him to leave her and Carl alone, then stay, typical woman b.s. He wanted to leave, and it would've been the end of it, but Lori asked him to stay. He's on a downward spiral and its not just his fault. Lori, and the world to an extent, are just as much a factor. He didn't start off crazy.

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If she ends up dying like in the comics, I won't feel bad.

 

[Kabukiman]

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If anything, Shane's a sympathetic character and if anything Lori is the _____ pulling on his heart strings. The attempted rape obviously was a bad thing, but he was drunk and had been dealing with a ____storm of emotions at that point. Then she wants him to leave her and Carl alone, then stay, typical woman b.s.

Am I reading this right? Attempted rape = understandable and sympathetic because Shane has been putting up with "typical woman BS"? :eek

 

[FLOSI]

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Isn't that enough to vilify him?

An almost rapist and a murderer does not = good guy material in my book. And let's face it, at that moment he saved himself - not Carl. He had no way of knowing he wouldn't run into more zombies on his way back to the farm after shooting Otis. He used the last of his ammo to buy himself more time to get away from that pack of zombies. Carl is just a convenient cover for his despicable action with Otis.

As for his past actions, I don't think it is a stretch to say that it was the beginning of his slide down the slippery morality slope his character is on right now.

Of course it's enough to vilify him. I'm just saying that we can't assume that all of his actions were always carried out with some evil intent, both now and pre-zombie. I feel that there's a change that slowly taking place within Shane, and where it takes him will be far beyond where he is now.

 

[Morbach]

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Loved Sunday's episode, this show is better and better. I think this season is better than the first so far.

 

[FLOSI]

Slow episode, but Maggie was hawt with her cowboy hat.

Yeah, I'm digging her.

 

[BrianK]

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Is it me or are they setting Merle up to be the governor from the comic series.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Is it me or are they setting Merle up to be the governor from the comic series.

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I'm thinking he's only back right now for a flashback.

 

[devilof76]

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Shane is bad, and you guys are bad for wanting to have his babies.

 

[BrianK]

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I can see that but i just keep getting a feeling that this may be the way they bring in a character like the governor. Are they going to bring in Michonne?

 

[Morbach]

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Shane is my favorite character due to his character developement. He's such a great actor and you can see the conflict in his face when he's on screen. Much better than Rick's dry personality.

 

[ali032373]

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Somethat that bothers me is how does Herchel still have power. Without people to man the grid or anything like that there is no electrcity. Yet there goes Herchel with all kinds of lights running.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Shane is bad, and you guys are bad for wanting to have his babies.

So you'd be zombie bait.

Somethat that bothers me is how does Herchel still have power. Without people to man the grid or anything like that there is no electrcity. Yet there goes Herchel with all kinds of lights running.

Maybe generator power from a windmill?

 

[Darth Waller]

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Zombie power! I picture zombies tied to bikes in the barn.