Mister Ski
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Almond Joy got nuts...devilof76 and pixletwin don't.
Almond Joy got nuts...devilof76 and pixletwin don't.
The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)
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noisetrigger
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I thought that Rick's non-reaction shows how big of a man he is in such a situation. Sure, the logical reaction would have been getting pissy and all but they are in an apocalypse and the normal rules doesn't apply anymore.
Rick understands that Lori needed someone when she thought he was dead and I guess Rick felt that better it be Shane than anyone else. Both of them might not always see eye to eye but Rick has always felt that Shane will always have his back and what better man to take care of your family when you are not around but your best friend? Also take into account that Carl is fatherless and Lori will be powerless to protect themselves in the middle of a zombie apocalypse.
Rick's reaction is also very likely compounded by the fact that he has always knew or at least suspected.
I always felt that Rick was kinda a typical "walking burden" leader like Jack Shephard from Lost because they always carry the burden and make the hard decisions for the group but the latest episode changed all that for me.
Saying that scene was badly written because it was written by a female is just plain sexist and that is coming from someone that has been called more than once in his life a chauvinist.
There is still a director on set and if the director doesn't like what he saw in the script, he wouldn't have filmed the scene that way and print it.
For this scene and characterization to stay just proves that it is a very important character development for Rick.
That scene is a lot about what's not said that what's said. That's why it is such an effective scene. Show than tell.
I thought that Rick's non-reaction shows how big of a man he is in such a situation. Sure, the logical reaction would have been getting pissy and all but they are in an apocalypse and the normal rules doesn't apply anymore.
Rick understands that Lori needed someone when she thought he was dead and I guess Rick felt that better it be Shane than anyone else. Both of them might not always see eye to eye but Rick has always felt that Shane will always have his back and what better man to take care of your family when you are not around but your best friend? Also take into account that Carl is fatherless and Lori will be powerless to protect themselves in the middle of a zombie apocalypse.
Rick's reaction is also very likely compounded by the fact that he has always knew or at least suspected.
I always felt that Rick was kinda a typical "walking burden" leader like Jack Shephard from Lost because they always carry the burden and make the hard decisions for the group but the latest episode changed all that for me.
Saying that scene was badly written because it was written by a female is just plain sexist and that is coming from someone that has been called more than once in his life a chauvinist.
There is still a director on set and if the director doesn't like what he saw in the script, he wouldn't have filmed the scene that way and print it.
For this scene and characterization to stay just proves that it is a very important character development for Rick.
That scene is a lot about what's not said that what's said. That's why it is such an effective scene. Show than tell.
plasmid303
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I'm actually very happy with Rick's response to the Lori/Shane confession, but not for the reason you guys would think.
I'm glad Rick didn't freak out or throw a fit of rage worse than when he found out about the abortion because...
I'm actually very happy with Rick's response to the Lori/Shane confession, but not for the reason you guys would think.
I'm glad Rick didn't freak out or throw a fit of rage worse than when he found out about the abortion because...
Actor Andrew Lincoln can't hold his accent. You can hear it break when he yells.
thenammagazine
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This thread is proof some guys can grow vajayjays.
Plasmid gets a pass though for the funny spoiler.
This thread is proof some guys can grow vajayjays.
Plasmid gets a pass though for the funny spoiler.
devilof76
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Or proof that evolution is not as slow in every case.
Or, he could have said nothing and conveyed the exact same information. Which he did.
I'm pretty sure he didn't know about Shane and Lori at that point. I've only read up to their return from the Governor's town, and if I remember correctly, he still doesn't know. I thought he did that because of what went down the day Carl did what he did.
What I remember perfectly clearly is...
Suck it.
Or proof that evolution is not as slow in every case.
Or, he could have said nothing and conveyed the exact same information. Which he did.
I'm pretty sure he didn't know about Shane and Lori at that point. I've only read up to their return from the Governor's town, and if I remember correctly, he still doesn't know. I thought he did that because of what went down the day Carl did what he did.
What I remember perfectly clearly is...
...that he went there because even after having nearly shot Rick down, he still couldn't handle the idea of the man who was his best friend lying in a grave in that state. He didn't forgive him, but he did give him the dignity of a 'dead' death."
Almond Joy got nuts...devilof76 and pixletwin don't.
Suck it.
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thenammagazine
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"Dignity" had nothing to do with it, he didn't rebury Shane.
devilof76
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Yeah, but he didn't leave him a zombie, eternally starving in dirt. He would have killed Rick if Carl hadn't done it, so he deserved little, but out of respect for the friend he had been before the world ended, he was willing to ride all the way back to finish him.
Devil_666
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devilof76
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I'd kill Shane before I killed her.
I'd kill Shane before I killed her.
tylerdurden
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totally agree with those who felt that rick's (non) reaction to lori's unfaithfulness was justified/understandable. because that's what it was to me. both justified and understandable in the context of character as well as story. i don't think it's lazy writing at all. quite the opposite in fact. the stereotypical soap opera reaction would be to go ballistic over the wife's infidelity. but the writers zagged instead of zigged, and that to me gave rick a fresh dimension of personality. for one, it is consistent with the person that he's been portrayed as thus far: empathetic to the given situation, while slowly and quietly unraveling inside as a man.
which leads me to the next point --- he'd already lost his temper at lori over the abortion, so for him to suddenly go quiet at the next so-called bombshell of a confession just revealed a man who is constantly on edge; an emotional roller-coaster if you will. to me it's much more realistic, and indicative of how rick is dealing with the constant barrage of extreme feelings. it doesn't matter to him at that point whether the fetus she's carrying and trying to abort might be shane's. at that point, the man's spent. so he switches to his default setting, which is calm and collected. who's to say he's not torn up inside, or hasn't been torn up ALL THIS WHILE over the nagging suspicion that his best friend and his wife had cheated on him?
totally agree with those who felt that rick's (non) reaction to lori's unfaithfulness was justified/understandable. because that's what it was to me. both justified and understandable in the context of character as well as story. i don't think it's lazy writing at all. quite the opposite in fact. the stereotypical soap opera reaction would be to go ballistic over the wife's infidelity. but the writers zagged instead of zigged, and that to me gave rick a fresh dimension of personality. for one, it is consistent with the person that he's been portrayed as thus far: empathetic to the given situation, while slowly and quietly unraveling inside as a man.
which leads me to the next point --- he'd already lost his temper at lori over the abortion, so for him to suddenly go quiet at the next so-called bombshell of a confession just revealed a man who is constantly on edge; an emotional roller-coaster if you will. to me it's much more realistic, and indicative of how rick is dealing with the constant barrage of extreme feelings. it doesn't matter to him at that point whether the fetus she's carrying and trying to abort might be shane's. at that point, the man's spent. so he switches to his default setting, which is calm and collected. who's to say he's not torn up inside, or hasn't been torn up ALL THIS WHILE over the nagging suspicion that his best friend and his wife had cheated on him?
Kabukiman
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Rick could just be putting on a front for the good of the group. iirc, in the comics Rick nearly loses it internally and tells Dale(?) to STFU or he'll snap.
Rick could just be putting on a front for the good of the group. iirc, in the comics Rick nearly loses it internally and tells Dale(?) to STFU or he'll snap.
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Some people just have genitals so huge that it drains all the resources from their brains.
Mister Ski said:
thenammagazine said:
Some people just have genitals so huge that it drains all the resources from their brains.
thenammagazine
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The whole reason he went back there was for the opportunity to kill him. Otherwise, he would've just left him buried or reburied him after re-killing him.
Some people just have genitals so huge that it drains all the resources from their brains.
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Nah, it's easier to find a new wife than it is to find a new best friend.
Nah, it's easier to find a new wife than it is to find a new best friend.
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The way I saw Rick's reaction to the Shane/Lori news was, it was a way to salvage him as an intellectual and intuitive character.
The way I saw Rick's reaction to the Shane/Lori news was, it was a way to salvage him as an intellectual and intuitive character.
Devil_666
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Or it was wishful thinking from a female writer.
Or it was wishful thinking from a female writer.
Mister Ski
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Well, that is not a very Rick-like response.
Your response just proves the point that Rick's response was very awkward and hard to believe. I made what could be construed as an inflammatory response to you and pixletwin and you "let your testosterone take over" and fired back an equally inflammatory response. Perfectly natural and to be expected.
So in Rick's case, his wife admitted her affair with Shane and his first reaction should have been hurt, followed by some anger, and then forgiveness at a later date. Not go through all three steps in the span of 5 seconds. His response to the abortion news followed this pattern, but the affair did not. That is inconsistent writing, IMO.
Also, this is not a sexist thing. If Rick had cheated on Lori, I would expect the same type of response from Lori - hurt, anger and then forgiveness. Maybe the writers (male and female) are trying to make Rick into a "perfect" human being, but "perfect" didn't exist before the zombie-apocalypse, so why start now?
Suck it.
Well, that is not a very Rick-like response.
Your response just proves the point that Rick's response was very awkward and hard to believe. I made what could be construed as an inflammatory response to you and pixletwin and you "let your testosterone take over" and fired back an equally inflammatory response. Perfectly natural and to be expected.
So in Rick's case, his wife admitted her affair with Shane and his first reaction should have been hurt, followed by some anger, and then forgiveness at a later date. Not go through all three steps in the span of 5 seconds. His response to the abortion news followed this pattern, but the affair did not. That is inconsistent writing, IMO.
Also, this is not a sexist thing. If Rick had cheated on Lori, I would expect the same type of response from Lori - hurt, anger and then forgiveness. Maybe the writers (male and female) are trying to make Rick into a "perfect" human being, but "perfect" didn't exist before the zombie-apocalypse, so why start now?
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devilof76
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It wasn't an affair. Women who find comfort in another man's affection after their husband dies are not cheating. It's even clear that she was still fully emotionally committed to him during her time with Shane.
He wasn't angry about the abortion. He was angry that she had held him to a double standard. After they had calmed down, he asked if she had anything else to tell him, and she answered honestly. At that point, he was ready for anything, and she gave him an answer that he already suspected was true. He didn't move through any stages. He understood. He's never been a "you mine, him no take" kind of guy. I'm sure it sucked to hear it, but he's smart enough to comprehend context and not react emotionally to facts detached from the big picture.
That's Shane's m.o.
Um, 'perfect' may not exist per se, but perfectibility does (people are capable of moral improvement), and there is such a thing as a better man.
We're not interchangable emotional automatons. Most people are more complex than the stereotypes people expect, and the fact that this show has broken the 'jealous husband' mold is testament to the higher quality of the writing.
It wasn't an affair. Women who find comfort in another man's affection after their husband dies are not cheating. It's even clear that she was still fully emotionally committed to him during her time with Shane.
Mister Ski said:
He wasn't angry about the abortion. He was angry that she had held him to a double standard. After they had calmed down, he asked if she had anything else to tell him, and she answered honestly. At that point, he was ready for anything, and she gave him an answer that he already suspected was true. He didn't move through any stages. He understood. He's never been a "you mine, him no take" kind of guy. I'm sure it sucked to hear it, but he's smart enough to comprehend context and not react emotionally to facts detached from the big picture.
That's Shane's m.o.
Mister Ski said:Also, this is not a sexist thing. If Rick had cheated on Lori, I would expect the same type of response from Lori - hurt, anger and then forgiveness. Maybe the writers (male and female) are trying to make Rick into a "perfect" human being, but "perfect" didn't exist before the zombie-apocalypse, so why start now?
Um, 'perfect' may not exist per se, but perfectibility does (people are capable of moral improvement), and there is such a thing as a better man.
We're not interchangable emotional automatons. Most people are more complex than the stereotypes people expect, and the fact that this show has broken the 'jealous husband' mold is testament to the higher quality of the writing.
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