The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[ProgMatinee]

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5 episodes on the farm plus probably 2 more when they resume.

Since you asked for a scene that I thought was boring and pointless, the scene with at the dinner table didn't seem to be needed. I obviously understood the point of the "awkward silence" but did it contribute anything different to what we already knew about the tension between Herschel and the group?

I think you guys are taking a fanboy approach to defending EVERYTHING the show is doing. If they took the approach I want you'd be defending that too from someone else, just because it was how they did it...

 

[devilof76]

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How many things have you ever seen me get fanboy over? I wouldn't be defending it if I didn't think it was a good as it is.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Yes, I think he sealed their fate in that regard. That only question is how Shane will take the news.

Do you think...

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...Shane will make it to the prison? I have a strong feeling that he will die the way he did in the comics, but I'm wondering if it will happen soon, or if they'll wait until the prison. There's also a third possibility, which is that the next six episodes will deal exclusively with Carl killing Shane, and the prison will be something the reach in the final moments of the last episode. Has it been confirmed that they get there this season?

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I agree. I think they'll wind up at the prison either in the season finale or the episode before and will probably spend the whole next season there. They need to clear it out, set it up as a safe haven and have a few key characters they need to meet and get attacked by while at the prison....

..which is precisely why I told Prog that if he's sick of them being based at the farm after just a handful of episodes, he better stop watching now.

5 episodes on the farm plus probably 2 more when they resume.

Since you asked for a scene that I thought was boring and pointless, the scene with at the dinner table didn't seem to be needed. I obviously understood the point of the "awkward silence" but did it contribute anything different to what we already knew about the tension between Herschel and the group?

I think you guys are taking a fanboy approach to defending EVERYTHING the show is doing. If they took the approach I want you'd be defending that too from someone else, just because it was how they did it...

I think calling us fanboys because you have an ADD approach to the series is silly. If every single episode was Little House in Zombieland, you might have a point, but the actual screen time at the farm was outweighed by the time spent away from it. That's like _____ing about a military show having missions planned at the FOB all the time.

And the dinner table scene was necessary because it was the stage to set up how Glenn would discover zombies in the barn.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Yes, I think he sealed their fate in that regard. That only question is how Shane will take the news.

Do you think...

Spoiler

...Shane will make it to the prison? I have a strong feeling that he will die the way he did in the comics, but I'm wondering if it will happen soon, or if they'll wait until the prison. There's also a third possibility, which is that the next six episodes will deal exclusively with Carl killing Shane, and the prison will be something the reach in the final moments of the last episode. Has it been confirmed that they get there this season?

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I am not aware of any confirmation that they reach the prison this season. It has been confirmed that they will reach the prison at some point, but at the earliest it would be the last episode this season because once they are there they will be there for awhile which would take up most of a season's worth of episodes. It is difficult to say if Shane will make it to the prison or not. I tend to doubt it. I agree with you and think he will die like he did in the comics - by Carl's hand. He will be forced to shoot him to save his father from him. I see Shane continuing to derail this season and we know that is going to lead to a big confrontation with Rick.

5 episodes on the farm plus probably 2 more when they resume.

Since you asked for a scene that I thought was boring and pointless, the scene with at the dinner table didn't seem to be needed. I obviously understood the point of the "awkward silence" but did it contribute anything different to what we already knew about the tension between Herschel and the group?

I think you guys are taking a fanboy approach to defending EVERYTHING the show is doing. If they took the approach I want you'd be defending that too from someone else, just because it was how they did it...

I'm not "defending" anything. I have been trying to explain to you why they did certain things in the show that you call boring or unnecessary and/or why I like the show. I'm not some mindless fanboy either. The biggest reason I love this show is because it is so thought provoking hence all these debates in this thread.

BTW, the dinner scene was needed because that is where the note got passed back and forth between Maggie and Glenn and led to Glenn finding the walkers in the barn which led to them all finding out about the walkers in the barn. See how that works?

 

[ProgMatinee]

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So your stance is that said note could only possible have been passed at a scene involving dinner table silence? Or that was the only possible way to move the plot forward to the barn? It couldn't have possibly occured in for example the way that Dale told Herschel about how he found out?

I know I'm pushing you guys, I don't necessarily disagree with many of your points. I don't mind this show at all. Just don't think its absolute perfection (which the first season pretty much was).

I wouldn't call this season a sophmore slump by any means, but its not quite the repeat performance of the first season, which IMO was aided by the constant movement of the tribe. Once they got to the CDC it slowed down... obviously I understood the necessity of the plot of the CDC setting (and the farm for that matter), but that doesn't mean I have to LIKE it as much as the other scenes.

Do we fault everyone for not liking Cloud City as much as Hoth?

 

[devilof76]

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Passing the note was an awesome way to do it. If they had a conversation, she could have made up a different place for them to go. Instead, she made the offer, he named the location, and she didn't read it until it was too late to stop Glenn from finding the walkers. I can't recall, but if the disapproving glance her father shot at their table while it was happening might have been what kept her from reading it immediately. Or maybe she was just being discrete and saved it to read when no one was around. Either way, the suspense was great.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Passing the note was an awesome way to do it. If they had a conversation, she could have made up a different place for them to go. Instead, she made the offer, he named the location, and she didn't read it until it was too late to stop Glenn from finding the walkers. I can't recall, but if the disapproving glance her father shot at their table while it was happening might have been what kept her from reading it immediately. Or maybe she was just being discrete and saved it to read when no one was around. Either way, the suspense was great.

I don't disagree there. I think I actually said "uh oh Spagethettios" aloud when she read the note.

 

[devilof76]

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I agree. I think they'll wind up at the prison either in the season finale or the episode before and will probably spend the whole next season there. They need to clear it out, set it up as a safe haven and have a few key characters they need to meet and get attacked by while at the prison....

Spoiler

Which will be the next step in my argument against force being the way to deal with other people in this world. They're about to get a taste of it from the recieving end. (Although, not as badly as it will get once the Governor appears.)

If what you've been arguing is that they need to get tougher so that they can deal with that kind of problem, then I agree 100%.

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It is difficult to say if Shane will make it to the prison or not. I tend to doubt it. I agree with you and think he will die like he did in the comics - by Carl's hand. He will be forced to shoot him to save his father from him. I see Shane continuing to derail this season and we know that is going to lead to a big confrontation with Rick.

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I think that the perfect arc for the remaining six episodes would be Carl killing Shane. They can get to the prison next season. That one event is worth spending another half season building up to.

 

[Kabukiman]

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It will always come up when people start _____ing and whining about how "slow" the show is playing out when they decide to focus on character development over zombies attacking. Again, this story is about the people, not about the zombies. There are whole issues of the comic where a single zombie might appear if any at all.

imo - The comic portrayed that sense of survival and impending doom better than the television show so far. It may be because of the art, the pacing, the writing, I don't know, I just feel like the comic portrays the zombie ridden world better. In the show, they're not scraping for canned goods, living in a generally safe area, it's always (seemingly, anyway) daytime. I think that might be why it feels slow to me, I dunno.

/ramble

 

[Matt S]

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imo - The comic portrayed that sense of survival and impending doom better than the television show so far. It may be because of the art, the pacing, the writing, I don't know, I just feel like the comic portrays the zombie ridden world better. In the show, they're not scraping for canned goods, living in a generally safe area, it's always (seemingly, anyway) daytime. I think that might be why it feels slow to me, I dunno.

/ramble

I agree. The comic does a wonderful job with the character development - its never been an action comic at all; that said, it has these 'oh ____' moments that are just super intense. We should have had at least one mini horde episode - where tons and tons of zombies hear all that practice shooting.......pacing way too slow on the show....and where's the budget? They spend the whole season in the forest? Plus, we need way more zombie nudity? Just saying...maybe that's just me

 

[thenammagazine]

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So your stance is that said note could only possible have been passed at a scene involving dinner table silence? Or that was the only possible way to move the plot forward to the barn? It couldn't have possibly occured in for example the way that Dale told Herschel about how he found out?

I know I'm pushing you guys, I don't necessarily disagree with many of your points. I don't mind this show at all. Just don't think its absolute perfection (which the first season pretty much was).

I wouldn't call this season a sophmore slump by any means, but its not quite the repeat performance of the first season, which IMO was aided by the constant movement of the tribe. Once they got to the CDC it slowed down... obviously I understood the necessity of the plot of the CDC setting (and the farm for that matter), but that doesn't mean I have to LIKE it as much as the other scenes.

Do we fault everyone for not liking Cloud City as much as Hoth?

That goes both ways.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Which will be the next step in my argument against force being the way to deal with other people in this world. They're about to get a taste of it from the recieving end. (Although, not as badly as it will get once the Governor appears.)

If what you've been arguing is that they need to get tougher so that they can deal with that kind of problem, then I agree 100%.

Everything in Kirkman's world happens for a reason.

 

[devilof76]

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Awesome. Glad that's settled.

I thought we were gonna have to arm wrestle or something.

 

[316what]

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First episode, they lose Sophia. Second episode, Carl is shot. Third episode, they get to the farm. In all, they've been at the farm for four episodes. How much of each episode was spent on the farm itself, and not in the woods looking for Sophia, or at a school getting the things Hershel needs to operate on Carl, or in a river bed waiting to see if Daryl survives, or going to town for the things Lori needs to deal with her pregnancy, or in a housing development, or in a swamp?

Herschel's farm took up 2 comics, lol....but 4-5 episodes of TV.

 

[316what]

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Me too! I want to at least read the comic up to the point where the TV series is at now. Just to do a side-by-side comparison.

You only have to read through issue #11.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Herschel's farm took up 2 comics, lol....but 4-5 episodes of TV.

But the comics didn't have Shane or Daryl to contend with at the farm. Fair trade in my book.

 

[316what]

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But the comics didn't have Shane or Daryl to contend with at the farm. Fair trade in my book.

Or a lost Sofia, lol.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Or a lost Sofia, lol.

Which lead us to this great mid-season finale goodness!

 

[Darth_Fatso]

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Yes, I think he sealed their fate in that regard. That only question is how Shane will take the news.

Do you think...

Spoiler

...Shane will make it to the prison? I have a strong feeling that he will die the way he did in the comics, but I'm wondering if it will happen soon, or if they'll wait until the prison. There's also a third possibility, which is that the next six episodes will deal exclusively with Carl killing Shane, and the prison will be something the reach in the final moments of the last episode. Has it been confirmed that they get there this season?

Indeed.

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I kind of get the feeling they have already begun to set up Carl killing Shane. Though maybe I'm just reading too much into this but Shane teaching Carl how to shoot as well as barking to everyone to do whatever it takes to survive seems like a small prelude of what to come. Not to mention Carl just lost a friend and had his own brush with death at such a young age I think would mess him up psycologically and Shane's own downward spiral isn't helping either.

 

[Mister Ski]

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AMC has posted a new behind the scenes video of the barn massacre. I think we also find out more about why Daryl wanted to find Sophia so badly. Nam, you may want to check his fingers.


https://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/inside-the-walking-dead-making-of-the-barn-scene