The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[Ktjn]

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Nothing's wrong with more characters. As long as they're engaging and interesting, bring them on.

Too bad it's on on HBO, I am sure there would be alot more "engaging" in wide open areas surrounded by zombies.


Something I questioned...with yesterdays ep, is that even though it rained, the "smell" probably would have been enhanced by all that humidity. Plus they still had the parts on them. So the zombies probably wouldn't have attacked?

"Don't get blood on your skin"...:hands him a visor with blood on the inside: And how can he chop away like that and not get blood on everyone else?

I like it a lot, although i admit in the first show they seemed slow, in this one they were fast, not 28 days later fast, but lets walk faster or else fast. Great show

One jumped the parking lot fence like it was a '04 remake or something.

 

[Maglor]

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AH CRAP!!! F'N SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN EP 2!!!

I'm ducking out of this thread till I see it.

This should be labeled a spoiler thread.

With the usual etiquette of stay out of the thread if you're not caught up. If you know something about something that has not yet aired anywhere, use the spoiler tags... otherwise no tags needed.




Oh, and best line of the night: "One more thing: He was an organ donor."

 

[Maglor]

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I think so. The way I took it:

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Standard "Villain/Antagonist" set-up.

Drive/Motive for Revenge: They left him for dead.

Opportunity: The slow-mo shot of the tools (specifically the hacksaw) falling which I'm sure will be Merle's escape.

The only reason to have/show the tools dumping like that.

Was anyone else annoyed by

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how conflicted the black guy was about leaving Merle on the roof? Personally if I were that guy I would have had no problem leaving that piece of ____ up there. I honestly couldn't believe he went back with the intention of setting him free in the first place. A quick glance from the door with a "____ you" look before he went downstairs would have made much more sense to me.

Naw man. Like the cracker said: to leave him up their wouldn't be human. You gotta keep your humanity even when someone is an ass hole.

 

[Maglor]

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I don't believe in 'zombie rules', but a friend of mine was a bit miffed that apparently The Walking Dead (tv series) broke a bunch of them. Today he couldn't help but highlighting them to me.

1. They can run
2. They can apparently wield blunt weapons in the form of rocks, bricks, etc etc, and...
3. They can climb chain-link fences. (except that cop zombie in the 1st ep, but I guess he didn't read the screenplay). Which means....
4. They are capable of rudimentary problem solving.
5. They've retained the ability of olfaction (smell).

I wasn't bothered by most of that. To me it just seemed like the zombies of TWD are amalgams of recent modern zombie types from other popular movies.

I loved the smelling thing. First time I've seen that as a plot device in a zombie story. Very cool.

 

[KashmirKong]

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The zombies in the original Night of the Living Dead, which started it all, used weapons.

The very first zombie in fact, and I think the zombies with rocks in the Walking Dead was an homage to it.

 

[Deckard]

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Love the sig Kong.

Nothing wrong with making the zombies unique to your own series as long as you don't do anything too crazy like make them talk. I don't want RotLD zombies.

 

[Starkiller]

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I don't believe in 'zombie rules', but a friend of mine was a bit miffed that apparently The Walking Dead (tv series) broke a bunch of them. Today he couldn't help but highlighting them to me.

1. They can run
2. They can apparently wield blunt weapons in the form of rocks, bricks, etc etc, and...
3. They can climb chain-link fences. (except that cop zombie in the 1st ep, but I guess he didn't read the screenplay). Which means....
4. They are capable of rudimentary problem solving.
5. They've retained the ability of olfaction (smell).

I wasn't bothered by most of that. To me it just seemed like the zombies of TWD are amalgams of recent modern zombie types from other popular movies.

I think he's crazy. I love that fact that they still retain traces of human in them, like in the first episode when the dudes wife was trying to open the door. They aren't brain dead, no one said zombies needed to be dumb as bricks and not know how to turn a knob, look through a peep hole, or pick up a brick and use it to smash things.

Why couldn't zombies smell? They can see and hear...are they going to loose all their senses once they contact the virus? I never saw them run like in 28 days later it was more like a power stagger.

Rules are meant to be broken.

 

[SwedishHeat]

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The one thing I hope they keep from the comics, and I may be remembering it wrong, as far as the Rick, Lori, Shane love triangle, and perhaps why Shane is sticking around. . .

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I think it's when Rick goes back to kill Zombie Shane, but he confesses that he knew Lori had sex with Shane, and he questions himself, like he had to go back and kill Shane, because of that betrayal. He didn't go back to kill a zombie, he went back to kill the guy that had sex with his wife. I dunno, it was something like that.

That would be a good reason to keep Shane around, to flesh out that story more.

 

[devilof76]

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They also went out of their way to make it appear like Shane had a thing for here at the beginning when they (Shane and Rick) were talking in the car, which works much better with his personality - he used the situation (Rick in the hospital with a zombie outbreak) to get what he wanted - Lori. He realized it was his chance to get her then.

Exactly. Plus, she probably had a lot of trust in Shane as her husband's partner, and the fact that he's probably the #1 reason she and her son are still alive, it would make a lot of sense that she took to him like she has.

She doesn't know he's alive but she doesn't know he's dead. She has a son to remind her lifes worth living, if thats not good enough after so little time then I hope she dies because she doesn't deserve to get her husband/family back.

They had shelled that hospital. If there was any news still being broadcast at the time, I'm sure they would have been told that the hospital was a total loss. That whole military encampment was abandoned. Thinking that a guy who's practically comatose was the sole survivor of that catastrophe is hysterical wishful thinking. I think she's a lot more grounded than that.

To me, the way they have presented her from the get go, even in Rick's speech about what she says in front of theyre son, is she doesn't care about anyone but herself. I feel more pity for the guy they left on the roof.

____ the guy on the roof.

He's barely a step above zombie. She is just a woman who doesn't pull punches, and if she thought Rick was drifting from her, I'd expect her to do something as extreme as calling him out in front of his son. It would be that important to her that her message hit home.

I'd also expect her to need sex in a zombie apocalypse. As often as she can get it. She has a ton on her plate keeping her son together, which gives her that much more reason to stay on top of her own fears. They've already shown what losing a mother does to a child, and Carl is younger.

Also, even though it's only been a month, it probably feels a lot longer than that. Most people don't see that much madness even in a lifetime.

 

[Deckard]

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And Ricks in the same boat, worse.

Like her he doesn't know if she's alive but he also doesn't know if his son's alive. He's got no one.

She has family there with her still to comfort her, and friends. You think the first thing on people in Huricane Katrina's minds in the days after the disaster was let me get some trim? Shes acted like a whore, one month is not enough time to grieve when your married, I dont care what the circumstances are. And to do it with someone who was a close friend of your husband does not make it any better or more justifiable in my eyes. Not to mention she had a bit more time to come to terms with it with the rest of the world when it was on the news, Rick just woke up and was thrown into the meat grinder, already wounded. Like I said, she was presented as weak from the get go, even somwhat jealous/paranoid, you don't prove a point by possibly doing mental harm to your child, that not strength its weakness. I don't watch Casino and think, wow Sharon Stone isn't afraid to prove her point, good for her.

Sorry they just made me hate her character and I doubt she can redeem herself to me.

Even talking to my mother's boss today, a lawyer, he asked if I caught the show yet, and then the first thing he said was "how bout his wife, whats it been 2 weeks?"

 

[Deckard]

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Your gonna want to take that down if thats a pirate sort of site, I think you can get banned for links like that. I don't care personally I use them as well, but just a heads up.

 

[P1X4R]

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thanks for the heads up. i removed it.

 

[devilof76]

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Sorry they just made me hate her character and I doubt she can redeem herself to me.

Ok. But I think they're all in a chronic state of shock, and like you said, Rick is a month behind (not that I'd compare any of them with him; he is leagues above any other character). I'm not sure the situation is something you can come to terms with, and the longer you're dealing with it, the more it breaks you down. I'll grant that she's not as strong as she acts, but I think she's doing the best she can. Take from that what you will about her moral character. When he comes back, her true colors will no doubt be shown.

Another thing is, from a storytelling point of view, wouldn't finding his wife without a new conflict to deal with bring things down a notch (or several)? Personally, a good plot doesn't let up. It just keeps escalating. Once it reaches the climax, there's nothing left but resolution. Then the story is done.

 

[Deckard]

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Ok. But I think they're all in a chronic state of shock, and like you said, Rick is a month behind. I'm not sure the situation is something you can come to terms with, and the longer you're dealing with it, the more it breaks you down. I'll grant that she's not as strong as she acts, but I think she's doing the best she can. Take from that what you will about her moral character. When he comes back, her true colors will no doubt be shown.

Another thing is, from a storytelling point of view, wouldn't finding his wife without a new conflict to deal with bring things down a notch (or several)? Personally, a good plot doesn't let up. It just keeps escalating. Once it reaches the climax, there's nothing left but resolution. Then the story is done.

I gotta goto sleep so I can wake up and play Black Ops all day tommorow, but I'll say this real quick.

I've never read the book, so I would have preferred we not even know if she and his son were alive much like Rick himself until maybe the last few episodes. Her character could have been to me, replaced by any other random woman who lost her husband and slept with his partner instead but doing that to the main character of the story makes her a villain from my standpoint.

 

[devilof76]

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I have read a bit of the comic, and I agree that she's no saint. I wouldn't go so far as to call her a villain, but I also can't remember what happens next. I don't know how much Shane is manipulating her. I don't know how much she's lying to herself.

I look at it as everyone (except Rick) has pretty much lost their minds, and is doing what they can to keep it together. I'm enjoying the ride, and I haven't been on one this good since I was 9 watching the original V.

 

[My Lord]

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And Ricks in the same boat, worse.

Like her he doesn't know if she's alive but he also doesn't know if his son's alive. He's got no one.

She has family there with her still to comfort her, and friends. You think the first thing on people in Huricane Katrina's minds in the days after the disaster was let me get some trim? Shes acted like a whore, one month is not enough time to grieve when your married, I dont care what the circumstances are. And to do it with someone who was a close friend of your husband does not make it any better or more justifiable in my eyes. Not to mention she had a bit more time to come to terms with it with the rest of the world when it was on the news, Rick just woke up and was thrown into the meat grinder, already wounded. Like I said, she was presented as weak from the get go, even somwhat jealous/paranoid, you don't prove a point by possibly doing mental harm to your child, that not strength its weakness. I don't watch Casino and think, wow Sharon Stone isn't afraid to prove her point, good for her.

Sorry they just made me hate her character and I doubt she can redeem herself to me.

Even talking to my mother's boss today, a lawyer, he asked if I caught the show yet, and then the first thing he said was "how bout his wife, whats it been 2 weeks?"

Pretty much my sentiments exactly. Got to get busy repopulating I guess.

 

[devilof76]

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It's not even that. And 'comfort' isn't an accurate description of what she'd need. What people would need is confirmation that there was still a chance to feel something other than horror for the rest of their (most likely) short lives. They'd be fiends for any kind of hard affirmation that life is still life, and not just food for death.

I don't know how else to express it. She's not just getting off as a distraction, or because she's a slut. That level of human contact would mean the world to these people. It's not like an earthquake or a hurricane---dead people want to eat them.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Deckard and Lord

I agree with your assessment of Lori. I don't feel much sympathy for her character. At least not yet. Granted we are only getting Rick's side of the story so far, but when he is talking to Shane about the difference between men and women and how she said cruel and vicious things to him in front of their son I tend to think of her as a selfish ______. Those of us in relationships have had fights with our spouses/significant other but you never do it in front of a child...period. So with that story being the first info regarding her character, it doesn't paint her in a great light, IMO. Now fast forward a month or two later and she is bumping uglies with Shane on a regular basis. Were the two of them already having an affair before the zombie outbreak? If so, then I have even less sympathy for her character. If not, then it sure didn't take her long to move on. Did she even try to get Rick out of the hospital? Or did Shane talk her out of it since he has a habit of doing that? It's not like we saw Rick nailing Andrea in the department store because he doesn't know if his wife and son are alive and he needed to get some booty. So no, I have very little sympathy for her character so far. I actually hope they don't get back together and Rick stays close to his son and maybe get closer to Andrea later on down the road.

Again this is all my personal take on the show from someone who has never read the comics. It's been a long time since a show has come along that has prompted water cooler (or in this case message board) discussions like this. I dig both the show and the discusssions.

 

[Pennyworth]

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I've watched both episodes, and as someone who isn't exactly a zombie fanantic, I'm totally enjoying it. That being said I enjoyed the feel and the pacing of the pilot a bit more than ep. 2.

I really like the lead actor. He plays the hero role with equal parts bravado and fear, and really sells how hard the mental adjustment of waking up in a zombie apocalypse would be.

It did seem that the ep.1 zombies seemed slower and dumber than those of ep. 2 but maybe that's just the difference between suburban and urban walking dead. The scene with them walking among them was great and so tense...loved it.

Sunday nights has become the highlight of my TV week.

backdoor action to be exact Keeps her eyes foward in case of a zombie attack.

"Don't get blood on your skin"...:hands him a visor with blood on the inside: And how can he chop away like that and not get blood on everyone else?

Thinking the same thing..actually wondered if that guy was gonna be the next to turn with how close the blood was to him.

Another thing is, from a storytelling point of view, wouldn't finding his wife without a new conflict to deal with bring things down a notch (or several)? Personally, a good plot doesn't let up. It just keeps escalating. Once it reaches the climax, there's nothing left but resolution. Then the story is done.

It's not even that. And 'comfort' isn't an accurate description of what she'd need. What people would need is confirmation that there was still a chance to feel something other than horror for the rest of their (most likely) short lives. They'd be fiends for any kind of hard affirmation that life is still life, and not just food for death.

I don't know how else to express it. She's not just getting off as a distraction, or because she's a slut. That level of human contact would mean the world to these people. It's not like an earthquake or a hurricane---dead people want to eat them.

Agreed on all points.

 

[devilof76]

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Agreed on all points.

I knew I wasn't completely crazy.

Unless you're crazy too.