Things that I marvel at

[ali032373]

I don't think the purpose of tearing down the statues, has anything to do with erasing or trying to forget the ugliness of our history. It's more of a symbolic gesture, since the Confederate statues do commemorate and honor men who didn't deserve it. In comparison, Germany doesn't have a single statue of a Nazi officer (at least, that's what I read). Considering what the country had been through with Hitler (who was viewed as a demi-god by the Nazis), they're quite repulsed about honoring anyone.

I guess my only problem with the whole statue debacle is, why now? The statues have been around for decades, and no one even batted an eye.

Why not now?

Nikki Haley addressed this after Dylan Roof killed like 12 black ppl in a church maybe 2 years ago. As I recall She took down the flag from the SC statehouse and said confederate stuff belongs in a museum, not on the steps of a court or statehouse, or any space belonging to the ppl so SC.

 

[Mr. Green]

Why now is because time change, things change. Nothing is permanent.

 

[Lejuan]

Yup, they were just to observe. They said it would've just made matters worse. They filmed the statue being torn down but didn't do anything to stop them because they figured it would just get uglier. Both sides were bad. Both sides were violent. Both sides weren't peaceful.

There have been all sorts of reports, but in this day and age it's hard to know what reporting is legit. Some reports I've read, for example, from people who were there, suggest that it wasn't even close to being a case of both sides being equally to blame.

Ultimately though this was a failure of policing. The fact that the police were not involved, for whatever reason, beggars belief.

 

[ali032373]

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/24/us/south-carolina-nikki-haley-confederate-flag.html

June 23, 2015 article from the NYTimes entitled "Calls to Drop Confederate Emblems Spread Nationwide". The article details other efforts 2 years ago to remove confederate symbols.

Moreover, in the early 2000s several southern states grappled with the use of the confederate flag as a part of their respective state flags.

 

[Solidus]

the videos speak for themselves. this is not the first time these groups fight each other, not the first time this kind of thing happens.
AND technically you could say "Well, people attacking nazis is good" which that on itself is one thing, could even be understandable
but then the lefty side will riot and destroy property and hurt even police and even reporters. whenever theres a reporter recording they will try to take the camera out and even attack them for recording. they will destroy businesses and stuff. I mean.... yeah videos speak for themselves

The authoritarian Left versus the fascist Right. But, still, if I were to pick which s*** stinks less, it would be Antifa - for the simple fact that they aren't purely one race, and calling for the destruction of other people. But, they're still a bunch of violent *** holes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/24/us/south-carolina-nikki-haley-confederate-flag.html

June 23, 2015 article from the NYTimes entitled "Calls to Drop Confederate Emblems Spread Nationwide". The article details other efforts 2 years ago to remove confederate symbols.

Moreover, in the early 2000s several southern states grappled with the use of the confederate flag as a part of their respective state flags.

Oh okay. I didn't know there were calls for Confederate flag removal since the 2000s. I guess it's only now that it's gotten national attention, then.

Edit: grammar fail.

 

[Solidus]

Im not saying those things shouldnt be removed but right now it feels like manipulation for a greater purpose. the media is fueling this hatred between groups, people are getting so outraged over things that seemed petty before, people on both sides are basically preparing and hoping for some kind of civil war, it just feels too manipulative right now. like if there were some strings being pulled to make people react.
how come the news never covered these???? how come these went unnoticed ?

Something does, indeed, feel out of place, and just ominous with the whole atmosphere of our politics as of late. I don't like to dabble in conspiracy theories, but I do sometimes question, about who has the most to gain with the increased racial tensions, and hatred between the Right and Left.

the problem is that once antifa is done with the nazis then they will look for a new enemy next. because thats the nature of the movement, the standards of progressive living will just keep being raised until even You and Me are guilty of something. OBVIOUSLY the greater evil is the alt right and you dont want them to win, but you are still at risk on the other side

Just wait until either of them start selecting candidates for elections. You know it's going to happen sooner (of later)... .

 

[ali032373]

"[...] until even You and Me are guilty of something."

IMO this is a fantastic theme for an argument against political correctness run amok. Maybe they like you today, but that could change in an instant. You'll never know if you'll remain complaint with their standards.

 

[Lejuan]

There's no conspiracy, it's a simple matter of power and economics from where I sit. The US has been hurting for years. The GFC was nearly 10 years ago, and people are still feeling it. Successive governments have screwed them over.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Something does, indeed, feel out of place, and just ominous with the whole atmosphere of our politics as of late. I don't like to dabble in conspiracy theories, but I do sometimes question, about who has the most to gain with the increased racial tensions, and hatred between the Right and Left.



Just wait until either of them start selecting candidates for elections. You know it's going to happen sooner (of later)... .

I've been thinking about that a lot lately. I really don't understand what the end game of all this is, if there even is one. Soros funded Antifa just wants anarchy. No free speech. Big government. I don't know how you call yourself Anti-fascism when you're Fascist At least the ****** Alt Right's end game is pretty well known.

They can continue to kill each other as far as I'm concerned, since they're the extreme on either side that just give everyone else a bad name. Nazi has been so misused the last two years that when an actual Nazi runs people over, it doesn't have any impact.

 

[Snake Plissken]

The authoritarian Left versus the fascist Right. But, still, if I were to pick which s*** stinks less, it would be Antifa - for the simple fact that they aren't purely one race, and calling for the destruction of other people. But, they're still a bunch of violent *** holes.

They've been pretty vocal about ending "Whiteness." They're a melting pot, but it doesn't make them any different than the Alt Right.

I mean look at this crap.



The Alt Right has been called out for what they are since they're inception... but the media just props this group up. It's protected bigotry.

 

[hockeyflow33]

Best thing today was the New York Times oped piece calling for the ACLU to limit their free speech stance

A media company pushing forth an agenda to limit themselves


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[ali032373]

Not sure I'm following you.

1. It's an op-Ed. The author is not writing on behalf of the NY Times. When the Times (or most papers) takes a position it typically comes from the editorial board, not in the op-Ed section. Most of the times op-Ed pieces are written by people not even associated with the paper (Op-Ed short for "opposite editorial" or "opinion editorial").

2. The article isn't pushing an adgenda to limit the NY Times in free speech. In my reading, the author is seeking the ACLU (not the Times) to re-examine its position on defending hate speech.

At least that's my reading.

 

[Solidus]

They've been pretty vocal about ending "Whiteness." They're a melting pot, but it doesn't make them any different than the Alt Right.

I mean look at this crap.

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The Alt Right has been called out for what they are since they're inception... but the media just props this group up. It's protected bigotry.

That's ****ing disgusting. Also, I'm not defending Antifa in the least. For now, they're only slightly better than the alt-right, only because they're not following after an ideology that was responsible for murdering six million Jews (Nazis are the scum of the Earth). But, that doesn't mean that they aren't dangerous, themselves. Views like that are horrific and absolutely racist against whites (just imagine if someone said that about a minority group - it wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the media). I think both the alt-right and antifa need to have swift repudiation from the Right and Left. I think Antifa's been getting a pass as an authoritarian group, because they're relatively new and no one knows about them. But, everyone knows about the Nazis, and seeing them march on American streets in modern times, is stomach churning.

 

[Snake Plissken]

That's ****ing disgusting. Also, I'm not defending Antifa in the least. For now, they're only slightly better than the alt-right, only because they're not following after an ideology that was responsible for murdering six million Jews (Nazis are the scum of the Earth). But, that doesn't mean that they aren't dangerous, themselves. Views like that are horrific and absolutely racist against whites (just imagine if someone said that about a minority group - it wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the media). I think both the alt-right and antifa need to have swift repudiation from the Right and Left. I think Antifa's been getting a pass as an authoritarian group, because they're relatively new and no one knows about them. But, everyone knows about the Nazis, and seeing them march on American streets in modern times, is stomach churning.

The Mayor even flown the Antifa flag outside a government building down there...

Plain and simple, it's a ****** ideology fighting another ****** ideology, but one is looked at as heroes... even though they've been causing nothing but chaos for the last 18 months which the media conveniently forgot.

The media is protects them because the Alt Right is the hot button right now and it's easy to exploit them, and pass Antifa off as the good guys.

I think a good number of College professors are to blame for Antifa being created since a good number of them push Anti-White curriculum. Berkeley even wanted segregation from White students... while they wanted integration decades ago

 

[hockeyflow33]

That's ****ing disgusting. Also, I'm not defending Antifa in the least. For now, they're only slightly better than the alt-right, only because they're not following after an ideology that was responsible for murdering six million Jews (Nazis are the scum of the Earth). But, that doesn't mean that they aren't dangerous, themselves. Views like that are horrific and absolutely racist against whites (just imagine if someone said that about a minority group - it wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the media). I think both the alt-right and antifa need to have swift repudiation from the Right and Left. I think Antifa's been getting a pass as an authoritarian group, because they're relatively new and no one knows about them. But, everyone knows about the Nazis, and seeing them march on American streets in modern times, is stomach churning.

These "nazis" have been marching like that for decades. What makes this country great is free speech is for morons too


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[Snake Plissken]

These "nazis" have been marching like that for decades. What makes this country great is free speech is for morons too


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Legislating hate speech goes against the constitution. There's plenty of groups to hate in this country, but unless they become violent, it's their God given right to openly hate people.

 

[hockeyflow33]

Legislating hate speech goes against the constitution. There's plenty of groups to hate in this country, but unless they become violent, it's their God given right to openly hate people.

For all the nonsensical complaining that this administration was going to rescind free speech at the beginning of the year, the left wing nut groups and media have done a great job trying to chip away at the 1st


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[Solidus]

They're "Anti-Facist" in name only, but their intolerance and violence proves otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised if the movement originated in the colleges, as they're a proven breeding ground of PC culture and safe spaces.

But, one thing I've noticed about the Alt-right and Antifa: they're mostly composed of lower to upper middle class kids, who're still living off their parents. These aren't people who've went through hardships, and truly have a stake in politics - they're just a bunch of bigoted *******s. And yeah, it was awful about what happened in Charlottesville, but like I said before, the media have given the Alt-Right idiots way too much attention than they deserve.

Pretty ****ed up that the Mayor is flying an Antifa flag in a government building. I think the American flag is good enough for any situation.

 

[Snake Plissken]

They're "Anti-Facist" in name only, but their intolerance and violence proves otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised if the movement originated in the colleges, as they're a proven breeding ground of PC culture and safe spaces.

But, one thing I've noticed about the Alt-right and Antifa: they're mostly composed of lower to upper middle class WHITE kids, who're still living off their parents. These aren't people who've went through hardships, and truly have a stake in politics - they're just a bunch of bigoted *******s. And yeah, it was awful about what happened in Charlottesville, but like I said before, the media have given the Alt-Right idiots way too much attention than they deserve.

Pretty ****ed up that the Mayor is flying an Antifa flag in a government building. I think the American flag is good enough for any situation.

Fixed. They do have something else in common, they both don't believe in the constitution. Antifa is against the 1st Amendment, and Alt Right doesn't think all men are created equal.

Colleges definitely were the progenitor of that movement. There's so many bigoted Marxist/Communist professors out there that instead of teaching, convert students to a ****** political group.

 

[Solidus]

These "nazis" have been marching like that for decades. What makes this country great is free speech is for morons too


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Nothing's wrong with free speech, but a lot of them were armed, too. The biggest problem with the whole Charlottesville incident was the lack of a sizable police presence. There were even Jews hiding in a Synagogue for fear of their lives, as people outside, were shouting "Sieg Heil", screaming threats, and staring at them from across the street. There's nothing "great" about that.

Free speech is Constitutionally protected, but threats of violence against others is not.