Thor: Ragnarok (November 3rd, 2017)

[Khev]

He was empowered by the eternal flame, thus fulfilling the prophesy that he would destroy Asgard, which is what Odin tried to prevent.

The flame made him more powerful than he was at the beginning of the movie? I guess I missed that. I thought the flame just resurrected him like all of Hela's minions and nothing more.

Speaking of Eternal Flame, Susanna Hoffs. So hot back in the day, lol.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

He was empowered by the eternal flame, thus fulfilling the prophesy that he would destroy Asgard, which is what Odin tried to prevent.

Ah the flame made him more powerful I thought it was the destruction of Asgard itself that was fueling his power.

 

[Wor-Gar]

He was empowered by the eternal flame, thus fulfilling the prophesy that he would destroy Asgard once he was united with the flame, which is what Odin tried to prevent.

Yeah, Surtur said he would become as big as a mountain and it was his destiny to destroy Asgard -- so if Hela draws her powers from Asgard, and Surtur is assigned the ultimate task of destroying Asgard, then Hela is also destroyed by Surtur.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The flame made him more powerful than he was at the beginning of the movie? I guess I missed that. I thought the flame just resurrected him like all of Hela's minions and nothing more.

Speaking of Eternal Flame, Sussanah Hoffs. So hot back in the day, lol.

Yes, he needed to unite his crown with the flame to become more powerful and to fulfill his destiny/ prophesy. In the beginning, Thor believed he had stopped Ragnarok by killing Surtur and taking his crown.

 

[Khev]

Okay well that answers that then.

 

[EVILFACE]

Yes, he needed to unite his crown with the flame to become more powerful and to fulfill his destiny/ prophesy. In the beginning, Thor believed he had stopped Ragnarok by killing Surtur and taking his crown.

And stored both items in the same room for convenience. WTG Thor.

And speaking of that trophy room, why didn't the Destroyer thing from the first movie come out and blast Hela when she took the flame?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

And stored both items in the same room for convenience. WTG Thor.

And speaking of that trophy room, why didn't the Destroyer thing from the first movie come out and blast Hela when she took the flame?

Thor destroyed it, and it was the only one they had

 

[EVILFACE]

Odin couldn't make another?

Sorry kara but your boi Mike hated Thor 3.

He said Marvel had all the ingredients and director to do something different but it was still the same crappy derivative formula lol

Watched this one today. I can agree with him about two stories crammed into one. A full more fleshed out movie about being on the gladiator planet would have been better than what we got. I would have liked to have seen more battles. I mean they made it work for the movie, separating Thor from his hammer and out of Asgard for Hela to do her evil person destroying the world bit.

Resident Underworld. I would like to see Selene take on Alice. And then kiss.

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

This is symptomatic of the problem you guys all have: since no real drama can be created, the movie defaults to humor, which you guys all fear... but then you enjoy it and see the movie three times, thus justifying even more of the same stuff that you fear. Consequently, you end up with these live-action cartoons.

Most here will end up hating this movie in six months to a year. You'll say its silly and pointless with too many jokes.


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all ready there ,and been here a while

looks to me like they decide to cut out the middle man and just make the "how it should have ended "version first

 

[Captain Clown]

I think the one thing I would've changed is how there's

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absolutely no mention or mourning of the Warriors Three, especially after they were promptly brushed out of the movie.

They gave Friga, Yondu, and Peggy ten minute long funerals.

 

[Thomascrown17]

See I like the being pummeled and slammed into concrete part that’s what I expect to see in these comic book movies... epic crazy unbelievable actions scenes where they get battered and beaten and they just keep coming until one man is left standing. I do understand what your saying dude I really do but I personally don’t care about that sort of thing in this genre of movies. They established Thor can be hurt, that he can be striped of his powers, that he will ultimately die as Odin did, or that he can be killed like his sister was. That is enough stakes for me with these superhero movies. I never go in thinking the hero is going to die or take a serious pounding and be bloodied and completely broken like Rocky balboa. For me the real stakes come into play when they are doing their jobs by trying to save people, taking out the villain before they can do too much damage, self sacrifice and the internal conflict of giving up the things they want the most because of their obligation to humanity. Balancing personal lives with their superhero persona and protecting their loved ones who don’t have powers from their enemies ..this doesn’t mean I don’t want them to be hurt or challenged but I expect those huge fights.. For every other genre I completely agree with you though I want to believe the hero is vulnerable, the fights more realistic, and that the stakes are more life and death so to speak..

Same here.
No offense to anyone but its like they expect Shakespeare and so much realism in these movies. Even one of my least fav comic book movie (bvs) had a great unnecessary fight between batman a supes. Tdk went for realism. I enjoyed the movie but breaking your back and healing it in that short time AND traveling back to gotham was kinda impossible. But again. Conic book movies.

A realistic movie with drama, stakes and realistic fights is Warrior (Tom Hardy). Thats what i expect from that type of movie


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[jye4ever]

Khev I see that you liked it better than GOTG2, nice.

lol@ Clown with Odin only owning 1 Destroyer

Has there ever been another MCU movie where the hero uses a villain to defeat another villain?

Superman did trick Lex at the fortress of solitude into screwing Zod with the power chamber so that’s very similar I guess.

I also liked how Thor would lie to Hulk and Banner just to get what he wanted.

The underlying messages flowing thru this movie below the humor are actually pretty meaningful stuff once you start breaking them down.

Controlling power with false prosperity built on the backs of forced integration and conquering subjugation.

Some crazy **** that movie was when you start applying Hela to different nations.

Some visibly and proudly embrace their Hela ideology while others embrace her secretly while others are in civil war turmoil trying to either keep her locked up or fully unleashed and weaponized.

Some remain complacent until their own powers are challenged.

I loved how many opposing forces were at play in this movie especially with Hela claiming to be the true heir to the throne, making it a family member really brought home the difficult dynamics at play in the real world.

Then BAM let’s hide it under a Hulk **** joke genius lol

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

So, I don't read Thor comics. Are we led to believe that Odin was powerful enough to defeat Hela in his prime and imprison her, but Thor (right after Odin says he's stronger than he was) still wasn't powerful enough to dish out any damage to Hela whatsoever? Is Odin really that much more powerful than thor and does Thor ever get stronger than his father?

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[Chakor]

I’m still not sure why destroying Asgard was the only way to defeat her or why her powers were connected to it. Can anyone tell me why her powers were tied to Asgard?? Did I miss something??

I'm pretty sure that was essentially a plot device.

 

[jye4ever]

Odin is stronger he was just doing what all good fathers would do in that moment giving his son moral strength and courage to continue doing what’s right but also very difficult.

It was more about the strength and courage to destroy their cosmic homeworld the beacon of stability than it was to physically take on Hela.

Thor didn’t need to be physically stronger than Hela he really needed to be brave enough to unleash Ragnarok which was the real threat to Hela, not his muscles.

 

[Thomascrown17]

Boom


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[RIDDICK]

So, I don't read Thor comics. Are we led to believe that Odin was powerful enough to defeat Hela in his prime and imprison her, but Thor (right after Odin says he's stronger than he was) still wasn't powerful enough to dish out any damage to Hela whatsoever? Is Odin really that much more powerful than thor and does Thor ever get stronger than his father?

In comics, Odin wields Odin Force (which is pretty much a plot device in THOR comis) - the combination of life forces of Odin and two of his brothers who were slain by Surtur while tryin' to prevent Ragnarok around the time Asgard was created. During the actual Ragnarok Odin was killed (for the third time, lol) and Thor inherited the Odin Force. When later Thor entered the Odinsleep he found his father battling Surtur in order to keep that demon from enterin' our world again.

BTW, Hela is the ruler of her own realm (of the dead) appointed by Odin. She constantly tries to have Odin's soul and extend her rule over Asgard but nothing more. And she's the daughter of Loki.

 

[jye4ever]

Comics lore used to answer MCU questions = lolz

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

In comics, Odin wields Odin Force (which is pretty much a plot device in THOR comis) - the combination of life forces of Odin and two of his brothers who were slain by Surtur while tryin' to prevent Ragnarok around the time Asgard was created. During the actual Ragnarok Odin was killed (for the third time, lol) and Thor inherited the Odin Force. When later Thor entered the Odinsleep he found his father battling Surtur in order to keep that demon from enterin' our world again.

BTW, Hela is the ruler of her own realm (of the dead) appointed by Odin. She constantly tries to have Odin's soul and extend her rule over Asgard but nothing more. And she's the daughter of Loki. [emoji38]

Thanks, Riddick. I've never sunk into his comics might have to change that. I know he's currently unworthy or something right and jane foster is Thor now?

Hela I knew about. I always loved her in the comics or cartoons..she was particularly cool in that hulk vs thor cartoon movie.

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[EVILFACE]

Odin is stronger he was just doing what all good fathers would do in that moment giving his son moral strength and courage to continue doing what’s right but also very difficult. .

And dissolved into a starry boat instead of turning and waking off the mountain like Pa Kent.

Actually, I like the Pa Kent stacking rocks scene and liked the Odin scene as well.