THOR: The Dark World

[Buttmunch]

I remember how all the relics in Odin's Weapons Vault were explained expect for this one:

Since the beginning it was rumored that it was the Orb of Agamotto. One of the orb's main purpose is to teleport people, so perhaps this is what Odin used to send Thor to Earth (since the Bifröst was destroyed). Maybe that is the "dark matter the All-Father (Odin) had to conjure", as Loki mentioned. Anyway, the Orb is part of Dr. Strange's story line. Maybe the reason they never gave it the name of the relic in the first Thor movie was to protect any surprise appearances they had planned for this movie.

Well, we know that a Dr. Strange movie is "in the works" so perhaps he'll really show up. Set up the stage for his on movie.

That would be very welcome indeed then. My biggest gripe with the Avengers was how the magically brought Thor back with little explanation. So explaining that further in Thor 2 would be great and would solve one of my Avengers issues.

Still can't believe he never took off (even after the big fight) to see Jane though. He had time for shawarma

 

[jye4ever]

That would be very welcome indeed then. My biggest gripe with the Avengers was how the magically brought Thor back with little explanation. So explaining that further in Thor 2 would be great and would solve one of my Avengers issues.

Still can't believe he never took off (even after the big fight) to see Jane though. He had time for shawarma

I'm sure they facetimed at some point.

 

[thenammagazine]

That would be very welcome indeed then. My biggest gripe with the Avengers was how the magically brought Thor back with little explanation. So explaining that further in Thor 2 would be great and would solve one of my Avengers issues.

Still can't believe he never took off (even after the big fight) to see Jane though. He had time for shawarma

I dunno, I thought the dialogue between Thor and Loki summed up Thor's return enough that that wasn't an issue.

 

[jye4ever]

I dunno, I thought the dialogue between Thor and Loki summed up Thor's return enough that that wasn't an issue.

It was good enough for me.

Great scene between both of them as well.

Buttmunch is just jealous that Bane kidnapped him and not Loki.

 

[Buttmunch]

I dunno, I thought the dialogue between Thor and Loki summed up Thor's return enough that that wasn't an issue.

To me the ending of Thor 1 made it seem like the Bifrost being destroyed was a big deal and Thor really had no way of returning to Earth. But then in Avengers he pops in, seemingly without much difficulty, and the only say Odin used dark such and such. It took him a whole year to figure out he could get to Earth that way? I dunno if the Bifrost is something that can be repaired, but if so, I'd think they wouldn't want to waste time in fixing that rainbow. I just felt the sob story of Thor being trapped in Asgard from Jane was ruined by Thor returning in Avengers so easily.

So if that Dr. Strange thingamabob can explain a bit more on his return and introduce Dr. Strange, then I'll be happy. For the most part Marvel has done a great job stitching everything together, so I'm willing to give them the chance. But if they act like Thor's return to Earth in Avengers isn't worth explaination in Thor 2, then I'll be upset.

 

[jye4ever]

To me the ending of Thor 1 made it seem like the Bifrost being destroyed was a big deal and Thor really had no way of returning to Earth. But then in Avengers he pops in, seemingly without much difficulty, and the only say Odin used dark such and such. It took him a whole year to figure out he could get to Earth that way? I dunno if the Bifrost is something that can be repaired, but if so, I'd think they wouldn't want to waste time in fixing that rainbow. I just felt the sob story of Thor being trapped in Asgard from Jane was ruined by Thor returning in Avengers so easily.

So if that Dr. Strange thingamabob can explain a bit more on his return and introduce Dr. Strange, then I'll be happy. For the most part Marvel has done a great job stitching everything together, so I'm willing to give them the chance. But if they act like Thor's return to Earth in Avengers isn't worth explaination in Thor 2, then I'll be upset.

Crap, you got a point.

 

[KillKen]

Yeah but Heimdell said "There is always another way" at the end. I took summoning a lot of dark energy as being it's a very last resort and Odin did it because of the danger to Earth so as in not something you use just to go visit your girlfriend! and I think he is more duty bound in terms of getting Loki back to Odin quickly then taking a week off to shack up with the GF.

 

[LTM438]

I agree that Odin using "dark energy" was probably a last resort and it's use was necessitated by the fact that they needed to stop Loki.

 

[Ramatuelle]

I agree that Odin using "dark energy" was probably a last resort and it's use was necessitated by the fact that they needed to stop Loki.

The whole Bifrost thing was rendered rather null by Loki's admission in "Thor" that there were a bunch of hidden ways in and out of Asgard, and he knew them all. If he knew them all, how much more so Odin? Why would anyone even need to "conjure dark matter" in the first place? Asgard seems as riddled with entrances and exits as a wheel of Swiss cheese is with holes.

But that to the side, I am all for any old kind of way to introduce Dr Strange, bring it production team....! Orb of Agamotto or any ol' way.

 

[LTM438]

The whole Bifrost thing was rendered rather null by Loki's admission in "Thor" that there were a bunch of hidden ways in and out of Asgard, and he knew them all. If he knew them all, how much more so Odin? Why would anyone even need to "conjure dark matter" in the first place? Asgard seems as riddled with entrances and exits as a wheel of Swiss cheese is with holes.

The way Loki said the dark magic line it was definitely a taunt for Thor so maybe only Loki knows about the hidden entrances to Asgard and was telling Thor that the Allfather had to rely upon dark magic (I'm assuming using it would be a bad/dangerous thing to do) while he could just come and go as he pleases.

I dunno. I'm tired. I'll try to think of a more concrete explanation as the day goes on lol.

 

[thenammagazine]

To me the ending of Thor 1 made it seem like the Bifrost being destroyed was a big deal and Thor really had no way of returning to Earth. But then in Avengers he pops in, seemingly without much difficulty, and the only say Odin used dark such and such. It took him a whole year to figure out he could get to Earth that way? I dunno if the Bifrost is something that can be repaired, but if so, I'd think they wouldn't want to waste time in fixing that rainbow. I just felt the sob story of Thor being trapped in Asgard from Jane was ruined by Thor returning in Avengers so easily.

I dunno, I took that as it was extremely taxing on Odin to use the Dark Magic to send Thor to Earth. And given he was interrupted from his much needed sleep in Thor, it was not a good idea, but it was a necessity, and likely left Odin almost powerless.

 

[LTM438]

Actually, speaking of the dark magic, there's a fan theory going around that the magic itself was somehow taken from the Dark Elves of Svartalfheim and that they want retribution for that act and that plot line will feature in Thor: The Dark World as the Dark Elves seem to be the main race of the villains from what we've seen so far.

 

[Khev]

Still can't believe he never took off (even after the big fight) to see Jane though. He had time for shawarma

I think him seeing Jane would be way too dramatic a reunion for him to just pop in and say "Hi, I'm back! But Loki is my prisoner so I've got to go again, see ya!"

He can obviously come and go now and I would assume that he'll approach her when he has the time for a proper re-introduction.

 

[iron.jedi83]

i think Odin used Dark energy because he know Loki had the tesseract on earth and that was the only other way of going to different realms, he wasnt going to send Thor to earth any other time before that because he couldnt get back.

 

[Spartan Rex]

I wish they'd stick to the abilities and power levels established in the comics. Thor uses Molinjor to transport back and forth through the realms with out Bifrost and Odin seems to be deprived of the Odin force entirely in the movies. Plenty of good story telling to be had within those established perameters.

 

[thenammagazine]

I wish they'd stick to the abilities and power levels established in the comics. Thor uses Molinjor to transport back and forth through the realms with out Bifrost and Odin seems to be deprived of the Odin force entirely in the movies. Plenty of good story telling to be had within those established perameters.

When did he do this?

 

[Khev]

i think Odin used Dark energy because he know Loki had the tesseract on earth and that was the only other way of going to different realms, he wasnt going to send Thor to earth any other time before that because he couldnt get back.

Loki had the perfect opportunity to banish Thor to exile on Earth again. As soon as Thor showed up he could have taken the tesseract and just left.

 

[Spartan Rex]

When did he do this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
Listed under abilities via Molijnir.
As for actual issues I'd need to dig into my collection.
He does it on a fairly regular basis actually.
Ultimate Thor maybe a little more dependent on the Allfather however.

 

[thenammagazine]

Loki had the perfect opportunity to banish Thor to exile on Earth again. As soon as Thor showed up he could have taken the tesseract and just left.

And had the whole of the Chuitari empire up his ass the rest of his life.

 

[Khev]

And had the whole of the Chuitari empire up his ass the rest of his life.

Take 'em to Asgard! It's not like Thor would be defending it.