True Detective

[Invictus Sol]

I've made a few theories in discussions with friends and have only been close one or two times. There is no doubt in my mind that Maggie is involved somehow. I just don't know in what capacity.

I'm done making any more bold predictions and am just going to enjoy the finale for what it is. I don't see how I will walk away being disappointed with it because of how amazing the first 7 episodes have been. But I will be watching the first episode again just to refresh my memory.

I really don't think any twists are needed here. The show has been good enough without them. Heck the mystery hasn't even been my favourite thing about it, moreso the Rust and Marty relationship and seeing Marty's family life collapse.

Agreed, guys. Really glad also that this show did not take a supernatural twist and stayed grounded in grim reality. Can't wait for tomorrow night. Will be great to finally have all eight episodes to look back on.

 

[Deckard]

The thing about it being Maggie's father is I just don't see where the ground work's been done for that (for him personally as a character, I mean). He's appeared in what, one scene? I don't how that's satisfying at all. Oh, surprise, it was your father-in-law all along, Marty! It's as random as it being a stranger, IMO, since the father-in-law has no development or interaction on camera throughout the series. I still think it's a possibility, due to circumstances with Marty's daughter, but I hope it's something different. Fantastic show, regardless, and I won't let it bother me too much if that's what ends up happening.

Like I said, there have to be a least some minor twists because there are still alot of men in that rape video (5-6) unaccounted for.

Even if The Yellow King is simply the sun, which would also make perfect sense since Rust mentions the cult celebrates their own spin on Mardi Gras with their old world tradtion of Saturnia or whatever he called it where they celebrated light and the Winter Solstice with human sacrifice. Even if I believe that theory instead, Hart's daughter(family) is still connected with the black stars.

One of the burnt out churces had black stars drawn on the wall, Lilly had them inked on her neck and Marty's daughter Audrey in addtion to the dolls and drawings now does art in 2012. Her art on the mantle at Maggie's house? Black stars. Reggie also spoke about black stars to Rust how he sees two twin ones with Rust seeing the Yellow King. One of the raped girls in the institution also mentions she met the Yellow king but being she was on LSD and Meth she likely means she met it in the sense of it felt like it was alive on lsd. Thats very common use in the sense you may here in vampire related movies or shows "Meet the sun." Of course they mean it differant as well but still in a metaphorical sense.

 

[Rambler]

This may or may not be how I dress for tomorrows finale.

 

[Mister Ski]

I just got caught up on this show this past week. Really like it. I too hope they don't go with a supernatural twist and it sounds like it won't. Never have I watched (and rewatched) a show so intently scouring for clues. Yet, I still managed to miss this one.

Below is a picture of a screen cap that seems to definitively reveal the identity of the Yellow King. It has been making the rounds on the internet the last 3 days. One eagle eyed viewer caught this. If this ends up being legit, then this show will be in my top five series of all time. The screen cap does not give any clues as to how the finale will play out, only the possible identity of the Yellow King.


Again, do NOT click if you don't want to know the possible identity of the Yellow King.

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[averagejo]

I just got caught up on this show this past week. Really like it. I too hope they don't go with a supernatural twist and it sounds like it won't. Never have I watched (and rewatched) a show so intently scouring for clues. Yet, I still managed to miss this one.

Below is a picture of a screen cap that seems to definitively reveal the identity of the Yellow King. It has been making the rounds on the internet the last 3 days. One eagle eyed viewer caught this. If this ends up being legit, then this show will be in my top five series of all time. The screen cap does not give any clues as to how the finale will play out, only the possible identity of the Yellow King.


Again, do NOT click if you don't want to know the possible identity of the Yellow King.

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Who do you mean...

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Errol?

 

[Mister Ski]

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Yes. After the reveal in episode 7 that he had the scars/burns on his chin, it seems like Errol is the Yellow King. Going back to his first appearance in episode 3, the screen cap all but confirms it. The writers were giving us a clue. I must have seen that scene 5 times and read the sign, but didn't look at it part by part. Good eye on some viewer.

 

[Deckard]

Errol is not the king. You need to rewatch the show I think.

Errol does not even rape the girls, he makes them watch. This is fact according to several testimonies. Why would his own daddy burn "The King" of a cult he's a part of? Errol also still has living relatives who'd be higher and more in line for the "crown" and is part of a blood line that is not pure Tuttle.

People, there is more than one killer. Watch the show for god's sake, eight people raped Dora Lange in the video tape.

Most believe Errol is the Tommy Hewit of this show, a big dumb loaf who's being used and sick of it, and some believe he may have staged the found bodies to help expose the cult to the police and finally end it. They also believe he was chasing the one girl away so she wouldn't be harmed.(Spagetti Monster sketch girl)

 

[Johnny Utah]

The girl in the tape was Marie Fonteneaux. Errol is the Spaghetti Monster with scarred face. His 'green ears' are headphones he uses when mowing the lawn.

 

[Deckard]

Fonteneaux right, sorry, not Lange. What I meant there was that there are people who believe Errol is the one trying to expose the cult's wrong doing and that's why he left Dora Lange's body out to be found instead of disposing of it properly. I know he's the Spaggetti Monster, no doubt about that, but you cannot for a moment convince me he's the King based on that video tape Rust stole from Tuttle.

Errol is one of eight men at the ceremoies. (We know this from rape victims)

He is one of 2 that holds the girl down. (again from a victim directly)

1 man films. (unknown who this is)

5 men rape/murder her in animal masks and full costume.

It's obvious the 5 men are the top most tier of the cult and one of them is the King if that is a title for someone living.

Kings don't stand by and not participate in ceremonies like that, they don't get assaulted by their own cult members and they don't mow lawns. IF the king is a person and not a dead diety or the sun, it ain't Errol.

 

[barryo]

I'm glad they ended it like they did. Awesome series. Damn MM & WH made an awesome pairing.

 

[empacker04]

Yeah. I thought the ending was perfect. This show was epic.

 

[Deckard]

Great acting but I thought the actual ending (last 10 mins) was underwhelming aside from Rust's coma dream story. Not because there wasn't a twist or anything but becaue so little of the overall case ended up solved. Theres still several other very guilty people who may or may not get theirs and I don't know how satisfying I can find that. It seems very probable that Edwin Tuttle is indeed at the head of the cult but we'll never know if they will get justice. Nor do we know what the cult was really all about and why they were doing what they were. Now normally in the case of storytelling I'm ok with that kind of thing but from the perspective of the media shots, it feels like even in real life it's something we'd eventually get the answer to, especially given both principle characters survived.

So overall a great show but I feel like they simply didn't resolve enough of what was going on. By comparison Deadwood was canceled with no chance to tie anything up at the end of season 3 but it still manages to feel like the overall story has a more complete outcome.

 

[Deckard]

Thinking a lil more about it, heres the real problem I'm having.

They both survived. But at the same time the case does not get resolution. I don't think it's satisfying to have both of those outcomes because of the way they set it up.

Rust got Marty back involved with a guilt trip. They never solved those girl's deaths. But by the end of this, they still hadn't. They have no idea what the cult is celebrating, why they do what they do, if it will continue somewhere else, or even who was involved with the rapes. If they both died and then you hint the cults still out there, it's creepy no doubt. But both alive and simply not caring is too bizarre. They caught a henchman. The people directly responsible for the rapes and murders is still out there and may never get justice but neither care at all. Hart straight up doesn't want to know? Rust also still strikes me as a potential canidate for suicide regardless of his revelation, he has no more detective work to do so whats left for him? Especially now that he found god and believes his daughters waiting for him?

Strong series, weak ending.

 

[olbertfrog]

Sursingly the ending didnt go the way some theorized hence they find it weak.
Surprise surprise.

 

[Deckard]

if you read a little instead of being an insulting moron, you'd see that isn't my problem at all.

My problem isn't even not knowing who or what the Yellow King is, it's the motives of the main characters. Why do they no longer care about the outcome of the case? Marty tells the cop he doesn't want to know. It simply makes zero sense.

I'd have much rather been wrong and seen Errol as the Yellow King and head of the entire cult than them just getting a henchman and calling it quits.

James Bond gets Oddjob. The movie ends, Auric gets away and never comes back in a sequel. Theres nothing satisfying about that and thats exactly what just happened.

 

[olbertfrog]

Who said i was pointing at you?
I have not even read your post.
Why do you feel like calling names over a Tv show.
Get help my friend.
I have not yet seen the finale btw.
Just reacting to some of my us friends on facebook.
Im waiting for a rip to be available

 

[Deckard]

Because I'm the only one here who's commented about not liking it. You even used the word weak. Why are you even posting in here right now if you haven't seen it?

Hasn't seen it, is passing judgement, could very well be one of those people who doesn't like it but wouldn't even know. Surprise indeed.

 

[olbertfrog]

Because i feel like it.
What is it to you?
At least im not insulting you.

 

[Deckard]

This is insulting :

"Sursingly the ending didnt go the way some theorized hence they find it weak"

The implication is that you would have to be so hard headed and stupid that if it went any other way then what we guessed, we simply couldn't accept it.

Could not be further from the fact. I love that I was repeatadly wrong about my own guesses, if I felt the way you describe, I'd have stopped watching after I was wrong about earlier events and episodes.

The actual fact is you don't even know what happened because you have not seen it but you chose to involve yourself in the debate anyway. Your statement also makes it sound like they can do no wrong even though you haven't even seen it, it can't possibly be weak or mediocre when in reality, again, you're the one who has zero idea what we're even talking about.

 

[Invictus Sol]

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Great ending (especially once they get to the house, really thought that was a brilliant endgame), IMO. Glad NONE of the speculation (here or elsewhere on the 'net -- not referring to any specific conjecture) that it was Rust, Marty, Maggie's father, Maggie being involved, etc., panned out.

Disagree that it was a weak or bizarre ending. Marty simply said he didn't want to know any more of the details, just like how he quit being a cop after he found the baby in the microwave. He doesn't want to know the specifics and it has no relevance, anyway. It's not like him knowing all the gory details is going to lead directly to the others involved.

As for some getting away with it, I think that's a pretty realistic ending. Like Marty said, they can't get them all, but they've crippled the organization pretty good. Errol seemed to be far more than a henchman. If he wasn't the top (and he sure talked like he was at the top -- it might've been a club that he let Tuttle into, not the other way around), he was the right hand man and pretty much irreplaceable. There's only so many Thomas Hewitts in the world.

Plus, Rust is indefatigable. We can assume he continues to dig into stuff and follow leads until he's no longer capable. Fantastic series but there's no way for a show like this, regardless of how it ended, to please everyone. I'll be picking it up for sure once it's on blu-ray.