UFC, etc.

[daikkenaurora]

who da hell "Vadim Finkelchtein"

I must of missed all those post...

I agree. Never saw his posts.

 

[Devil_666]

who da hell "Vadim Finkelchtein"

I must of missed all those post...

I agree. Never saw his posts.

Vadim Finkelchtein is the head of M-1 Global, that make believe company that owns Fedor.

Here's Vadim and Fedor:

 

[nash]

If you bet money on Sonnen winning then you will lose money like Nash did when he beat on Hardy to beat GSP.

you obviously don't know gambling, you dont make money if you dont have the balls to play the underdog once in awhile.

I lost a couple hundred bucks. awwwww..... trust me its not a significant amount to me.

 

[Ktjn]

I say BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz and Ricardo Arona are the biggest excuse makers when it comes to a loss because all 3 are "In the best shape" of their lives and "100% Healthy" going into a fight. But the minute they lose.. they have some kind of injury, illness, excuse. After the fact.

BJpenn.com would disagree.

 

[nash]

Do what every other fighter does, say "he (opponent) was the better fighter tonight". Plain and simple.

My point is this: None of these fighters suddenly come down with something hours before the fight. If they have an injury (serious or minor) or an illness, etc. they get it well before the fight. THAT'S the time to speak up about it so it won't come off as a cheap excuse as to why they lost (if they do).

It was known that Anderson Silva had surgery on both of his knees going into the Lutter fight (which Silva won). Rogan and Goldie even mentioned it during the fight. And that's because Silva and his camp came forth with that info BEFORE the fight. A lot of fighters have mentioned injuries, illness pre-fight. So even the announcers speak about it during the fight.

I say BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz and Ricardo Arona are the biggest excuse makers when it comes to a loss because all 3 are "In the best shape" of their lives and "100% Healthy" going into a fight. But the minute they lose.. they have some kind of injury, illness, excuse. After the fact.

I know what youre saying bro, trust me i do. but honestly, who's going to come out 2 weeks before the fight and let the media and especially their opponent know that they are less than 100%? you really really think anyone would do that?

As for Silva, how soon before the fight did he have knee surgery?

As far as I see and know, "most" fighters will not disclose any info on them being in less than 100% shape so they do not give any psychological edge to their opponent. especially for a title fight.

If Penn were to win the fight against Edgar (like he should have without the retarded judging) and then was asked by the media "why did you look so sluggish and not like you did against Florian or Sanchez?". BJ then says that he was battling a sinus infection the whole time and on meds, etc..... Is that still considered an excuse?

Just because he lost, the same exact bit of info is now an excuse? But if he won, it's not?

PS: with tito it is different ( i dont know about arona, i dont keep up with him), but Tito says ____ out of his own mouth. Yes, i agree that Penn's camp represents HIM, but i do not agree with you that it is exactly the same as Penn saying it himself.

 

[daikkenaurora]

Vadim Finkelchtein is the head of M-1 Global, that make believe company that owns Fedor.

Here's Vadim and Fedor:

lol WOW. Those pics are funny.

Didnt know Vadim was a statue collector. lol

 

[Devil_666]

If Penn were to win the fight against Edgar (like he should have without the retarded judging) and then was asked by the media "why did you look so sluggish and not like you did against Florian or Sanchez?". BJ then says that he was battling a sinus infection the whole time and on meds, etc..... Is that still considered an excuse?

Yeah, to excuse his performance. And fighters do this as well. Tim Sylvia immediately comes to mind with all the excuses he came up with to explain decision wins. Which is why he'd get booed and why a lot of fans disliked him.

Watch his post-fight interview after Randy Couture raped him for 5 rounds and see how bad he gets booed when he mentions a legit back injury (that he had surgery on after that fight).

Granted, when you win and mention something like that it's not looked down upon like when you lose. But in both instances, it's still an excuse.

lol WOW. Those pics are funny.

Thanks for the compliment.

 

[nash]

Yeah, to excuse his performance. And fighters do this as well. Tim Sylvia immediately comes to mind with all the excuses he came up with to explain decision wins. Which is why he'd get booed and why a lot of fans disliked him.

Watch his post-fight interview after Randy Couture raped him for 5 rounds and see how bad he gets booed when he mentions a legit back injury (that he had surgery on after that fight).

Granted, when you win and mention something like that it's not looked down upon like when you lose. But in both instances, it's still an excuse.



Thanks for the compliment.

meh, im sure you know as well as i do that most fight fans aren't the best fans to have. too many bandwagon jumpers, crybabies, and trolls. MMA is one of the worst sports when it comes to fan-base.

You're seeing it now...Edgar pulls of a big upset with the help of the judges and now every other person on forums is a "long time" edgar fan. LOL Guarantee most of them are just GSP fans, and will disappear once Penn gets the belt back.

 

[Skiman]

I'm not really a Edgar or Penn fan to be honest. It's mainly GSP and that's been from the get go before he was champion, actually way before that.

I was hurting whenever Serra beat him, seriously hurting.

 

[NASEDO]

The difference between Tito and Penn is Tito always fights like crap. Penn didn't look like himself. It could of been an injury/sickness or maybe lack of motivation fighting Edgar.

 

[Bezzerkerr]

Penn will defeat Edgar when they have a rematch.

From the sounds of it Edgar knows he put up the performance of a life-time and he know he beat BJ (on an off night) by the skin of his teeth.

 

[daikkenaurora]

The difference between Tito and Penn is Tito always fights like crap. Penn didn't look like himself. It could of been an injury/sickness or maybe lack of motivation fighting Edgar.

I dont think it was lack of motivation. Penn wanted to keep that belt and he would have killed anyone who tried to take it from him.

 

[ArmoredFoe]

As much as I was disappointed with A. Silva, I hope he beats the mess out of Sonnen. I just dont find Sonnen exciting at all in the least.

 

[Devil_666]

I hope he beats the mess out of Sonnen. I just dont find Sonnen exciting at all in the least.

Same. Although hearing him scream like a girl when he's submitted is pretty funny though.

 

[NASEDO]

I hope Silva showboats like his last fight. Dana White said he'll cut Silva if that happens against Sonnen. I dont think Dana has the balls to do it. Also gotta love BJ Penn for calling Fedor P4P No. 1, Dana won't like that one.

 

[Skiman]

I think Dana would do it, EASILY.

 

[Devil_666]

Also gotta love BJ Penn for calling Fedor P4P No. 1, Dana won't like that one.

It's irrelevant. GSP and Anderson Silva have said the same thing in the past. No one cares because it's called being humble. In reality, everyone knows Fedor is #3 in that category.

 

[ArmoredFoe]

Yeah I kinda think its more talk than anything, because Im sticking with my "hes bored theory". If Dana cut him he'd get easily picked up by some other organization, which is why when a fighter leaves UFC for another organization he all of a sudden turns to a can in Danas mind). If Dana really wanted to punish him he keep him under contract, strip the belt and just put him on the bench for a few months of with no action.

 

[azurepred]

It's irrelevant. GSP and Anderson Silva have said the same thing in the past. No one cares because it's called being humble. In reality, everyone knows Fedor is #3 in that category.

well I think Fedor at 3 is a stretch, he doesnt ever even fight, and when he does, its against average guys or guys on the downfall. If Brock beats Carwin, I would be comfortable saying he is #3. Before Penn lost, I had him at 3.

 

[Devil_666]

well I think Fedor at 3 is a stretch, he doesnt ever even fight, and when he does, its against average guys or guys on the downfall.

Agreed. But that's irrelevant to P4P status (at least to the original meaning of Pound for Pound). Same with actual wins/losses (overall record) and how often or not a fighter actually fights (just as long as they're not retired/dead). It's purely about the skills they possess. Then comparing those skill sets to other fighters (regardless of weight) and seeing who has the better skill set. That's your P4P Champ.

For me..

1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. Lyoto Machida
5. BJ Penn