UFC, etc.

[Bezzerkerr]

It's irrelevant. GSP and Anderson Silva have said the same thing in the past. No one cares because it's called being humble. In reality, everyone knows Fedor is #3 in that category.

NO, it's just you. Fedor is HANDS DOWN #1. Examine his record, and you will see why. Simple as that...no flukes unlike the others...time and time again he proves why he is THE BEST without question.

FINISHING THE OPPONENT, unlike GSP's & Anderson's recent performances.

Agreed. But that's irrelevant to P4P status (at least to the original meaning of Pound for Pound). Same with actual wins/losses (overall record) and how often or not a fighter actually fights (just as long as they're not retired/dead). It's purely about the skills they possess. Then comparing those skill sets to other fighters (regardless of weight) and seeing who has the better skill set. That's your P4P Champ.

For me..

1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. Lyoto Machida
5. BJ Penn

how often a fighter fights has NOTHING to do with the equation. You threw that in to help bury Fedor to #3. It's tough to argue GSP and ANDERSON have better striking and ground game than Fedor.


here's the fight i've been DYING to see. My MOST ANTICIPATED MMA FIGHT OF 2010

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[bumblebee]

NO, it's just you. Fedor is HANDS DOWN #1. Examine his record, and you will see why. Simple as that...no flukes unlike the others...time and time again he proves why he is THE BEST without question.

FINISHING THE OPPONENT, unlike GSP's & Anderson's recent performances.




how often a fighter fights has NOTHING to do with the equation. You threw that in to help bury Fedor to #3. It's tough to argue GSP and ANDERSON have better striking and ground game than Fedor.


here's the fight i've been DYING to see. My MOST ANTICIPATED MMA FIGHT OF 2010

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NOT just him I have Fedor #3 also. and record means d!ck....Carwin's 12-0 all wins by KO in the first round and he isnt mentioned in the P4P.

 

[Devil_666]

NO, it's just you. Fedor is HANDS DOWN #1. Examine his record, and you will see why. Simple as that...no flukes unlike the others...time and time again he proves why he is THE BEST without question.

FINISHING THE OPPONENT, unlike GSP's & Anderson's recent performances.

Again.. a fighter's record (wins/losses) has nothing to do with the P4P equation. Manny Pacquiao is considered the #1 P4P boxer in the world right now and he's 51-3-2 with 2 of those losses coming by KO. It's about skill.. not records.

how often a fighter fights has NOTHING to do with the equation. You threw that in to help bury Fedor to #3.

Um.. huh!? I Didn't. Again.. it's purely about skills. Fedor is #3.

 

[azurepred]

NO, it's just you. Fedor is HANDS DOWN #1. Examine his record, and you will see why. Simple as that...no flukes unlike the others...time and time again he proves why he is THE BEST without question.

FINISHING THE OPPONENT, unlike GSP's & Anderson's recent performances.




how often a fighter fights has NOTHING to do with the equation. You threw that in to help bury Fedor to #3. It's tough to argue GSP and ANDERSON have better striking and ground game than Fedor.


here's the fight i've been DYING to see. My MOST ANTICIPATED MMA FIGHT OF 2010

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He can finish his oppenents cause its easy to finish the guys he does it against. He fights scrubs, plain and simple, that doesnt make him the best. Thats like if the Lakers went out and played against a NCAA team for the championship instead of playing a legitimate NBA team and calling them the best in the world, its the same concept. Its been said time and freakin time again. How can you be the best if you dont beat the best? A. Silva and GSP have both beaten the best competition there is in the world, thats why their the best, I dont know what is so confusing about this. Its not easy to finish the best fighters in the world all the time. So many people bag on GSP for not finishing that last fight, but I guarantee 99% of fighters would have tapped to either of the submissions he had on Hardy, and Silva is obviously bored, so he didnt even care to finish the fight.

And.........seriously, a Din Thomas fight? He cant even hang with the good fighters in the UFC anymore

NOT just him I have Fedor #3 also. and record means d!ck....Carwin's 12-0 all wins by KO in the first round and he isnt mentioned in the P4P.

You cant be considered P4P if you havent beaten a champ. Yeah, Carwin has a great record, and hes prolly the 3rd best HW in the world right now, thats why I would Brock at #3 if he beats Carwin

 

[NASEDO]

Agreed. But that's irrelevant to P4P status (at least to the original meaning of Pound for Pound). Same with actual wins/losses (overall record) and how often or not a fighter actually fights (just as long as they're not retired/dead). It's purely about the skills they possess. Then comparing those skill sets to other fighters (regardless of weight) and seeing who has the better skill set. That's your P4P Champ.

For me..

1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. Lyoto Machida
5. BJ Penn

Machida at 4????? I thought he lost to shogun so I wouldn't even have him on there.

I wouldn't just base it on Skills or talent. I dont feel like writing a book here, so I'll let that go.

My list would be:
Fedor
Anderson
GSP
Penn

As far as Fedor, I think he's almost done and will lose at some point, they all do, and he's getting older. But he Legacy is already written some will rip it apart but we been down that road.

I think Fedor will eventually be in the UFC. He'll destroy Brock. Really If Carwin beats Brock, Brock may be a thing of the past. Fedor's biggest threats are Carwin and Dos Santos. Their pure KO power is dangerous to any fighter. I'm not to sure about Cain's chin.

But the UFC is awesome at pumping up fighters. I thought Arlovski was the next big thing, then it was Gonzaga, now there basically off the map. Once this new breed of UFC HW's fight each other then will see. Lets not forget Big Country Roy Nelson.

 

[Bezzerkerr]

He can finish his oppenents cause its easy to finish the guys he does it against. He fights scrubs, plain and simple, that doesnt make him the best. Thats like if the Lakers went out and played against a NCAA team for the championship instead of playing a legitimate NBA team and calling them the best in the world, its the same concept. Its been said time and freakin time again. How can you be the best if you dont beat the best? A. Silva and GSP have both beaten the best competition there is in the world, thats why their the best, I dont know what is so confusing about this. Its not easy to finish the best fighters in the world all the time. So many people bag on GSP for not finishing that last fight, but I guarantee 99% of fighters would have tapped to either of the submissions he had on Hardy, and Silva is obviously bored, so he didnt even care to finish the fight.

And.........seriously, a Din Thomas fight? He cant even hang with the good fighters in the UFC anymore



You cant be considered P4P if you havent beaten a champ. Yeah, Carwin has a great record, and hes prolly the 3rd best HW in the world right now, thats why I would Brock at #3 if he beats Carwin

First of all, I could care less about Din Thomas, but this is MMA history. The first time a CHAMPIONSHIP level boxer is fighting MMA against a former contender. Anyone who's been following the sport before 2007 would care about this fight...oh i forgot, it's not in the UFC so it means nothing to you guys....I guess the kickass 3-Fight Strikeforce card is bologna too...

Shifting gears to FEDOR, you guys make me laugh. The Lakers analogy is awful and horribly flawed. NOT AT ALL the same concept. I wouldn't use that one again, it makes you look silly.

My P4P List:

#1 Fedor
#2 GSP
#3 Aldo
#4 BJ
#5 Spider

 

[daikkenaurora]

All I can say about Fedor is this: he has a contract with Strikeforce, he is getting paid the money he wants... yet he doesnt want to fight. Is he still injuried? Doesnt seem like it. Scott Choker said they have some issues but what he didnt say. For that reason he isnt #1.

 

[Devil_666]

Machida at 4????? I thought he lost to shogun so I wouldn't even have him on there.

Machida won by decision (official result) and Machida's skill set would still present a lot of problems for A LOT of fighters.

I wouldn't just base it on Skills or talent.

And that's because you don't know the definition.

The term "pound-for-pound" was first coined by Ring magazine editor Nat Fleischer in the early 1950s as a way of comparing and contrasting fighters in different weight divisions. These days, with the plethora of weight classes, sanctioning bodies and titles, the phrase is used simply to describe a fighters raw talent and ability.

That phrase "pound for pound" -- used to describe a boxer whose skill in the ring puts him head and shoulders above every other fighter in the world, in any weight division -- was first coined for the one fighter most boxing aficionados agree was the best fighter in history: Sugar Ray Robinson.

When I say a fighters win/loss record is irrelevant, I mean it's not like "Fighter A is 20-0 and Fighter B is 18-3, so obviously Fighter A is better Pound For Pound". No. Again, Manny Pacquiao is considered the current #1 P4P boxer in the world (Ring Magazine, etc.) and he's 51-3-2 with 2 of those losses coming by KO. Almost every P4P candidate has lost before and Sugar Ray Robinson (who the term was originally created for) had a legitimate loss when sportswriters started calling him "P4P the best boxer". Wins/Losses are irrelevant.

Quality of opposition is a factor, but only to gauge a fighters skill set i.e. it's not "Fighter A beat all these people and Fighter B beat all these people. Fighter A has beaten better people so obviously Fighter A is better Pound For Pound". Once again, No.

It's purely the skills/skill set a fighter has and comparing that and only that amongst ALL other active (meaning not retired or dead) fighters (regardless of weight). That's your P4P best.

NO, it's just you. Fedor is HANDS DOWN #1. Examine his record, and you will see why.

I think YOU might want to re-examine his record.

In the last 4 years Fedor has only faced 3 ranked HW fighters.

Brett Rogers (#6 HW at the time)
Andre Arlovski (#2 at the time)
Tim Sylvia (#4 at the time)

And before the Tim Sylvia fight on 7/19/2008 there was a 2 year and 11 month gap between Fedor's last fight with a ranked HW i.e. Mirko Cro Cop on 8/28/2005. Terrible.

Also look at who Fedor fought during that gap:

Hong Man Choi (Unranked HW at the time)
Matt Lindland (Unranked HW at the time)
Mark Hunt (Unranked HW at the time)
Mark Coleman (Unranked HW at the time)
Zulu (Unranked HW at the time)

F'n 5 unranked HW's.

His entire career is like that. I broke down his record in here before fight by fight and when you do that and examine his record it's not that impressive actually.

 

[ArmoredFoe]

Weather you care about Din Thomas or not, hes a good dude and I hope he beats the $hi7 out of Mayorga. Din Thomas for the win.

 

[Devil_666]

Weather you care about Din Thomas or not, hes a good dude and I hope he beats the $hi7 out of Mayorga. Din Thomas for the win.

I think Din will immediately go for a take down and then submit Mayorga. If he attempts to stand with him to prove a point, etc. Din will get KTFO.

 

[NASEDO]

Machida won by decision (official result) and Machida's skill set would still present a lot of problems for A LOT of fighters.



And that's because you don't know the definition.





When I say a fighters win/loss record is irrelevant, I mean it's not like "Fighter A is 20-0 and Fighter B is 18-3, so obviously Fighter A is better Pound For Pound". No. Again, Manny Pacquiao is considered the current #1 P4P boxer in the world (Ring Magazine, etc.) and he's 51-3-2 with 2 of those losses coming by KO. Almost every P4P candidate has lost before and Sugar Ray Robinson (who the term was originally created for) had a legitimate loss when sportswriters started calling him "P4P the best boxer". Wins/Losses are irrelevant.

Quality of opposition is a factor, but only to gauge a fighters skill set i.e. it's not "Fighter A beat all these people and Fighter B beat all these people. Fighter A has beaten better people so obviously Fighter A is better Pound For Pound". Once again, No.

It's purely the skills/skill set a fighter has and comparing that and only that amongst ALL other active (meaning not retired or dead) fighters (regardless of weight). That's your P4P best.



I think YOU might want to re-examine his record.

In the last 4 years Fedor has only faced 3 ranked HW fighters.

Brett Rogers (#6 HW at the time)
Andre Arlovski (#2 at the time)
Tim Sylvia (#4 at the time)

And before the Tim Sylvia fight on 7/19/2008 there was a 2 year and 11 month gap between Fedor's last fight with a ranked HW i.e. Mirko Cro Cop on 8/28/2005. Terrible.

Also look at who Fedor fought during that gap:

Hong Man Choi (Unranked HW at the time)
Matt Lindland (Unranked HW at the time)
Mark Hunt (Unranked HW at the time)
Mark Coleman (Unranked HW at the time)
Zulu (Unranked HW at the time)

F'n 5 unranked HW's.

His entire career is like that. I broke down his record in here before fight by fight and when you do that and examine his record it's not that impressive actually.

I wanna be civil but your crazy, your writing a book here. Wow, never knew that there was an offical denfinition for P4P...I dont even want to get in to it. But I'll take BJ Penns and GSP choice of P4P before yours. Which is Fedor. I dont know why but Fedor gets under your skin and makes u crazy. The UFC never had such a dominate HW...Will they is the real question. Until they do...Fedor is on top.

 

[Devil_666]

I wanna be civil but your crazy, your writing a book here.

If you consider that small post a "book" then you're the crazy one. What are you used to reading, flyers!?

Wow, never knew that there was an offical denfinition for P4P...I dont even want to get in to it.

Typical.

But I'll take BJ Penns and GSP choice of P4P before yours. Which is Fedor.

Like a good little sheep.

Go to YouTube and find the video of Arsenio interviewing Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson and Sugar Ray Leonard. Watch as each one says the other is the "best". It's called being humble.

I dont know why but Fedor gets under your skin and makes u crazy. The UFC never had such a dominate HW...Will they is the real question. Until they do...Fedor is on top.

No problem with Fedor. He's not the one making BS statements and acting like an assclown. Fedor has never claimed to be P4P the best fighter. Fedor has never claimed to be the best HW fighter in MMA (currently or the greatest of all time). Fedor has never claimed that he's fought the best competition. It's his delusional, nut hugging fanatics that do that.

 

[nash]

First of all, I could care less about Din Thomas, but this is MMA history. The first time a CHAMPIONSHIP level boxer is fighting MMA against a former contender. Anyone who's been following the sport before 2007 would care about this fight...oh i forgot, it's not in the UFC so it means nothing to you guys....I guess the kickass 3-Fight Strikeforce card is bologna too...

Shifting gears to FEDOR, you guys make me laugh. The Lakers analogy is awful and horribly flawed. NOT AT ALL the same concept. I wouldn't use that one again, it makes you look silly.

My P4P List:

#1 Fedor
#2 GSP
#3 Aldo
#4 BJ
#5 Spider

How the F is Aldo even in consideration for top 5 P4P!?!?

Sorry but you seem to be ranking your fighters P4P as those you like from 1 to 5...

Fedor is 'at least' 3, maybe even 4 until he starts beating worthy opponents.

 

[daikkenaurora]

How the F is Aldo even in consideration for top 5 P4P!?!?

Sorry but you seem to be ranking your fighters P4P as those you like from 1 to 5...

Fedor is 'at least' 3, maybe even 4 until he starts beating worthy opponents.

This is probably the 3rd time I've agreed with you.

 

[nash]

Pretty candid ESPN interview w/ Penn

Fastforward to about 11:30

https://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/story/17828.html

 

[Bezzerkerr]

In the last 4 years Fedor has only faced 3 ranked HW fighters.

Brett Rogers (#6 HW at the time)
Andre Arlovski (#2 at the time)
Tim Sylvia (#4 at the time)

and what was the RESULT of those 3 fights?

please humor me.

 

[nash]

and what was the RESULT of those 3 fights?

please humor me.

Here are the Results

Sylvia - KO (has been)
Arlovski - KO (has been)
Rogers - KO (never was)

 

[kobayashi93]

Looking forward to Hendo/Shields. Meh to the rest. It's a damn shame Mousasi resigned.

 

[daikkenaurora]

Looking forward to Hendo/Shields. Meh to the rest. It's a damn shame Mousasi resigned.

Did he already fight King Mo? I dont know when the fight was supposed to be.

 

[azurepred]

and what was the RESULT of those 3 fights?

please humor me.

Brock, Velazquez, Carwin, Mir, Dos Santos are all better than those guys, that's why it doesn't matter he beat those guys, they were ranked, but they don't compare to the talent the current HW champ has to fight in the UFC. Just cause you beat descent fighters, doesn't make u the best! Fedor doesn't beat the best fighters!!!!!!!!!!!!