Unconditional love, is it real?

[Saya]

yes, it does but it depends on who. there is no blanket unconditional love.

 

[THX-182]

Yes it's real. Now stop playing on the internet and go find some.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Of course not, you shatter dreams for a living.

well there's that too.

all that being said i have a great relationship with my girlfriend and while i don't believe in an unconditional love i can say that it could be pretty close to what some would term unconditional.

My bird loves me unconditionally though.....

 

[Wetanut]

Nope. Don't believe in it, except for pet dogs. Everything else is conditional, even if you think they aren't.

 

[THX-182]

Nope. Don't believe in it, except for pet dogs. Everything else is conditional, even if you think they aren't.

You just contradicted yourself. You say you don't believe in it but it is real for pet dogs. If it is real for pet dogs then it does exist.

 

[Colossus]

Between humans no.

Dogs will love you unconditionally though.

I could not have said it any better

 

[GrueSam]

You just contradicted yourself. You say you don't believe in it but it is real for pet dogs. If it is real for pet dogs then it does exist.

I do believe she's saying that dogs are capable of it but humans are not, like King.

I'm understanding all the comments made by parents in regards to their children.

However, if your child turns out to be Mother Teresa then it's understandable.

But what if your son is Hitler?

Even if his mother said, "Oh, I'm completely against what he's doing but I LOVE him anyways..."
then, to me, that totally destroys everything that the word 'Love' signifies.

And... it says more to me about her than him.

The person that "loves" him is just as or even more sick than he.

IMO.

 

[Wetanut]

I do believe she's saying that dogs are capable of it but humans are not, like King.

Thanks Sam. THX....no contradiction at all. Since I presumed the topic was about humans and love/life, then it was a given.

 

[Batty]

King did what with a dog?

 

[JosephCPR]

Maybe the concept of Love should be reconsidered first? I'd like to believe it exists but we, the human beings, are a little weird

 

[devilof76]

But what if your son is Hitler?

Even if his mother said, "Oh, I'm completely against what he's doing but I LOVE him anyways..."
then, to me, that totally destroys everything that the word 'Love' signifies.

And... it says more to me about her than him.

The person that "loves" him is just as or even more sick than he.

IMO.

That's what I was getting at. You said it better. There is a point beyond which you can't continue to love someone unless you completely pervert and destroy the concept of love.

 

[LOTRFan]

That's what I was getting at. You said it better. There is a point beyond which you can't continue to love someone unless you completely pervert and destroy the concept of love.

But at the same time love and concepts such as justice, punishment and retribution are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Kabukiman]

For those who cannot fathom loving a child after he/she has committed heinous acts, this is the best way I can explain it:

If my child grew up to be a monster, I would hate myself for allowing that to happen. Nothing, and I mean nothing, could stop me from loving him. In my eyes, he will always be that tiny innocent baby who has nothing but me and his mother to guide him.

 

[devilof76]

But at the same time love and concepts such as justice, punishment and retribution are not mutually exclusive.

Right. I don't think they can be separated. And in the case of a loved one who does evil, justice would demand that the love be withdrawn.

If my child grew up to be a monster, I would hate myself for allowing that to happen. Nothing, and I mean nothing, could stop me from loving him. In my eyes, he will always be that tiny innocent baby who has nothing but me and his mother to guide him.

I think your blame would be misplaced. A child would be innocent, but an adult is fully in control of their actions. They may reach a point where they become out of control, but that's still a product of their own choices. Not every killer was raised to be that way.

If a child I loved grew up to kill, and I knew that I had done everything I could to raise them well, I would feel nothing but betrayal at their crime. I would still love that innocent baby, but I would not evade the fact that the baby I loved no longer exists.

I think what is happening when a parent can not stop loving a killer who was once their beloved child is that they're refusing to believe that their child is lost. And that, I can fully understand.

 

[pixletwin]

Right. I don't think they can be separated. And in the case of a loved one who does evil, justice would demand that the love be withdrawn.

Why?................

 

[devilof76]

Justice is a virtue, and love is a response to the virtue in another. If a person came down on the evil end of justice, I don't understand how they could still deserve to be loved, unless it is a love from one who values evil.

I don't see love as irrational. People can be irrational, as they can be unjust, but that doesn't change the nature of what it means to hold another person as a highest value (to love them).

 

[Shai]

Unconditional love does exist. Its also called Anal sex.

 

[pixletwin]

Justice is a virtue, and love is a response to the virtue in another. If a person came down on the evil end of justice, I don't understand how they could still deserve to be loved, unless it is a love from one who values evil.

I don't see love as irrational. People can be irrational, as they can be unjust, but that doesn't change the nature of what it means to hold another person as a highest value (to love them).

Sometimes a person doesn't deserve to be loved. But they are loved anyway. Hence the "unconditional" part.

 

[devilof76]

And that is where our points of view diverge.

 

[pixletwin]

And that is where our points of view diverge.