Which is a better 'reboot' film: Casino Royale, or Batman Begins?

[rw23]

Batman, but I have never been a fan of Bond films to begin with.

Although I really liked Casino Royale, so I guess it did its job at attracting new audiences.

Still, I got to go with Batman. After Batman & Robin I felt like there was NO hope for the franchise, and Batman Begins changed that.

I agree with everything you said.

 

[Gruson]

I LOVED Batman Begins.

I am a huge Batman and Returns fan and thought I would hate it.

It was great! Bale and team did an incredible job.

Now, Casino was just awful IMO.

Craig's Bond just bored me and he lacked the charm Bond always had.

Horrible movie and I have been a Bond fan my entire life. Big let down.

 

[DarthNeil]

I LOVED Batman Begins.

I am a huge Batman and Returns fan and thought I would hate it.

It was great! Bale and team did an incredible job.

Now, Casino was just awful IMO.

Craig's Bond just bored me and he lacked the charm Bond always had.

Horrible movie and I have been a Bond fan my entire life. Big let down.

Which Bond have you been a fan of your entire life: the cartoon superheroic Bond or the Bond grounded in realism as Ian Flemming originally intended? Craig captures the true essence of Bond in Casino Royale as Ian Flemming originally envisioned him. No gadgets. Flawed. Human.

While I like each Bond for what he brought to the role--- not since the early Connery installments has there been a Bond that communicates the core of what the character should be--- Craig does that in this rebooting (to use that phrase) of the franchise...

Still however the answer to the thread (IMHO) is BB due to those horrendous batnipples that are easily forgotten (a seemingly amazing feat as they rose like an iceberg in front of any new Titanic retelling of the cape crusader).

 

[Cocoboloboy]

I LOVED Batman Begins.

I am a huge Batman and Returns fan and thought I would hate it.

It was great! Bale and team did an incredible job.

Now, Casino was just awful IMO.

Craig's Bond just bored me and he lacked the charm Bond always had.

Horrible movie and I have been a Bond fan my entire life. Big let down.

I somewhat agree with Gruson on this. I don't think Craig had the charm and wit that the Bond I have come to know has. What makes Bond such a fun character to watch for me is the fact that he doesn't really take things that seriously and in spite of it always gets the job done. Connery was best at it but I also think Brosnan did a wonderful job too.

 

[bagelsncheesey]

Casino Royale

Although both were great films, don't get me wrong. I just liked Craig a lot, perfect Bond for Flemmings books.

 

[RoboDad]

Another vote for Casino Royale here.

I like Batman Begins, but I clearly don't love it as much as some here do. While it certainly was an improvement over Batman & Robin, I did not like it any better than -- and in some aspects even as much as -- the Burton films.

To me, the tumbler was almost as laughable as the "batnipples" from B&R. It was only included because the filmmakers knew it would pique the interest of a certain testosterone-imbalanced segment of the movie-going public, not because it fit well or added anything of significance to the Batman backstory or mythos.

I find it rather humorous the way so many people defend Begins by saying it is so "realistic" and "gritty". Folks, we're talking about a guy who roams around in the middle of the night wearing a bat costume, "fighting crime". That is about as far from realistic as it gets. In the real world, he would be either dead or detained at someplace like Guantanamo, not lauded by the police commissioner.

He's a comic book superhero. Maybe he doesn't have traditional "superpowers", but he does fight against some superpowered villians. In my opinion, he only really shines on the big screen when that notion is remembered, and adhered to. And, again IMO, Begins only did an adequate job of that.

 

[Cocoboloboy]

Another vote for Casino Royale here.

I like Batman Begins, but I clearly don't love it as much as some here do. While it certainly was an improvement over Batman & Robin, I did not like it any better than -- and in some aspects even as much as -- the Burton films.

To me, the tumbler was almost as laughable as the "batnipples" from B&R. It was only included because the filmmakers knew it would pique the interest of a certain testosterone-imbalanced segment of the movie-going public, not because it fit well or added anything of significance to the Batman backstory or mythos.

I find it rather humorous the way so many people defend Begins by saying it is so "realistic" and "gritty". Folks, we're talking about a guy who roams around in the middle of the night wearing a bat costume, "fighting crime". That is about as far from realistic as it gets. In the real world, he would be either dead or detained at someplace like Guantanamo, not lauded by the police commissioner.

He's a comic book superhero. Maybe he doesn't have traditional "superpowers", but he does fight against some superpowered villians. In my opinion, he only really shines on the big screen when that notion is remembered, and adhered to. And, again IMO, Begins only did an adequate job of that.

Whew! I'm glad you cleared that whole Batman Begins thing up for me. And here I was thinking it was a documentary. But really, I thought BB had a much better look and feel to it, very dark. I look forward to The Dark Knight.

 

[RoboDad]

Whew! I'm glad you cleared that whole Batman Begins thing up for me. And here I was thinking it was a documentary. But really, I thought BB had a much better look and feel to it, very dark. I look forward to The Dark Knight.

You're very welcome . No need to get defensive. You're entitled to drool over every frame of the film if you want to, just as I am entitled not to. That's why they're called opinions.

 

[Cocoboloboy]

You're very welcome . No need to get defensive. You're entitled to drool over every frame of the film if you want to, just as I am entitled not to. That's why they're called opinions.

I was just ribbin' you. I don't think any film is worthy of hostile exchanges.(wipes drool from his chin).

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

With the votes Batman is getting on a SIDESHOW board, no wonder the 12" Bond line has died a horrible death (outside of reissues).

 

[bwayne]

When I saw the Tumbler, I hated it at first. Once I saw the movie, I was trying to figure out how I could afford a real one for myself.

 

[carbo-fation]

I liked both!:maul

 

[Ven]

who the **** is bond?

 

[rw23]

who the **** is bond?

Silly kids!!!

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

who the **** is bond?

God help you if you are not joking....

 

[pickard]

As a fan of both characters, and a fan of both "reboot" films, it's a hard decision.

Batman is a truer reboot, but I think Casino Royale is a (slightly) better film.

 

[Buttmunch]

Batman Begins all of the way.

Bond's storyline has never been crystal clear. As far as I am concerned it was a prequel, not a reboot.

I still think "James Bond" should be a title (like M and Q) and not one guy. Would clear up EVERYTHING from different actors to Bond seemingly not aging through time.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

Batman Begins all of the way.

Bond's storyline has never been crystal clear. As far as I am concerned it was a prequel, not a reboot.

I still think "James Bond" should be a title (like M and Q) and not one guy. Would clear up EVERYTHING from different actors to Bond seemingly not aging through time.

Couldn't the same be said for Batman/Bruce Wayne?

 

[Jen]

I really loved both films and thought they did an excellent job giving a much needed kick in the ass to these franchises......I mean who could forget Denise Richards in that Bond movie...horrible!!! But to me Bond was always tongue in cheek...always a little cheesey, but good mindless entertainment most of the time...then CR gave it whole new darker spin, which I really loved. Batman on the other hand seemed to be a lost cause and BB really got me excited in this franchise again...so my vote is for Batman.

 

[Buttmunch]

Couldn't the same be said for Batman/Bruce Wayne?

No. There is no mention of multiple Bruce Waynes or Batmen or Jokers, etc. In Gotham. Just one. Whereas James Bond is a secret agent, there is public knowledge of him (most of the time).

Although, Batman Beyond obviously establishes that there may be future Batmans after Bruce Wayne.