Why was Qui-Gon Jinn, NOT in Revenge of the sith?

Collector Freaks Forum

Help Support Collector Freaks Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Like I said, my issue with it is knowing it wasn't the plan from the start of Episode I and that it got thought of in the Ep3 process when suddenly things had to all be tied up, but that's my feeling on the reason for it being there. As far as it being there in the film, I feel like most, that Neeson should be thrown in because it feels only half executed instead of given 100%, and perhaps seeing it fully carried out would change my feelings about it's conception.

Well, even if it was just a way to tie things up in ROTS they did a nice job of doing so. Even if he's never put in it I feel the line is what its supposed to be after seeing ROTS and reading the ROTS novel.

For me, that's half the fun...taking something from these movies that may seem a little vague on the surface, and putting your own interpretation on it to give it a different context. That's why that line works as an opening for Qui-Gon's "next step" for me...

No wrong or right here...with anyone's take on it.

I agree. I love taking whats said vaguley in the movies and trying to interpret or tie it in with other stuff from the movies/books.

That's why I love the fact that the PT was made, opens up your ability to experience the OT in a whole new way.

It really does for me at least.
 
I thought Neeson had a terrible experience on TPM, and when it turned out to be such a train wreck of a film he wanted nothing to do with the rest of the series, similar to how Portman and McGregor both said that they were embarrassed by the final outcome of the PT.

See, a lot of the PT actors get pegged as hating their involvement when their hatred is directed at the filmmaking process. Ewan loved being able to play Obi-Wan Kenobi, he was thrilled with it, but he absolutely hated the style of acting often required in a GL effects film. Neeson is a fine actor from a more traditional style so I'm sure the green screen and all got to him too.
 
Yeah the green screen and Lucas's lazy guidance - he's a technical director and not an actor's director - led to lackluster performances they were unsatisfied with, even though I think Neeson and McGregor did a great job under the circumstances. But also I think they disliked the overall sloppiness of the PT compared to the OT, the shoddy dialogue, overall silliness, etc.
 
Neeson, McGreggor and McDiarmid did great. Samuel Jackson, Natalie Portman, and I'd guess Hayden (I haven't seen him in anything else) are much better actors than conveyed in the PT, but I'll cut myself off their cuz I can really go on with my thoughts on PT acting.
 
The best thing about the PT is the depth of information. It takes away the speculation that led to the silliness of the majority of EU. Thats why I feel the EU surrounding the PT is far superior to the rest.
I am very happy George created this and lets us play in his sandbox, but he is a far better producer and editor than he is a director. He is truly visionary but he doesn't convey that vision to his actors very well which is why ESB and ROTJ are the best acted films of the saga. He is thankfully 'greedy' in the sense that he will milk this franchise until it is withered and dry, lying under the Tattooine suns, which really benefits us as fans. We can watch whatever version we want since there are bound to be more coming. We can complain all we want about how much he reissues stuff but if it weren't for him doing that we wouldn't have SSC ST figures, we wouldn't have the CW cartoon and upcoming series and live action series and therefore all the hours of enjoyment this stuff brings.
 
I think a lot of PT-haters want to transfer their disappointment and hatred to the actors, or read more into the actors' complaints than they should.

I know some of the PT actors have voiced displeasure about some parts of the process, but PT-haters want to blow that up into all sorts of attacks on Lucas and an utter embarassment about being in the movies.

Ultimately, I don't care if McGregor loved making the PT. He was awesome in it.

Attributing praise and blame for an actor's performance is difficult. People will say McGregor was great, in spite of Lucas' direction. Portman sucked because of Lucas' direction. That's a no-win situation for GL. If there's success, he gets no credit; if there's failure, he gets all the blame.

I'm sure there was a lot that Ford, Fisher and Hamill didn't like about making the OT, but that doesn't detract from its greatness.

Portman's opinion of a movie, whether she was in it or not, doesn't influence me in any way. But if she'd like to get together and discuss it...
 
I think the EU stuff is a little better now than it was before is because Lucasfilm took a tighter hold of what was coming out. But I don't have much evidence for that its mostly opinion.

Portman's opinion of a movie, whether she was in it or not, doesn't influence me in any way. But if she'd like to get together and discuss it...

Over a nice candlelit dinner for two with a big bottle of wine.
 
The reason McGreggor, Neeson and McDiarmid delivered well is because of their age, in my opinion. They'd been experienced in the business, knew how to do their job, and performed as they felt was right and likely would challenge or discuss things with Lucas. Portman and Hayden were young and you could hear in their interviews that they walked in with a roll over for George attitude because by the time the PT started Star Wars was a phenomenon, not just popular like befor ESB and ROTJ were made, but a global phenomenon and they talked like well it's George's baby so we want to give him what he wants. And they gave it to him, good or bad, I'm sure they challenged him or went with their instincts less that they should have. Good acting is a combination of the director knowing what's right for the story, and the actor knowing what's right for the story. No one can get it 100% right so the actor-director relationship is pivotal to success. You get 2 people doing things 50% right and you end up with 100%.
 
and I'd guess Hayden (I haven't seen him in anything else) are much better actors than conveyed in the PT

I caught him in a movie called Shattered Glass, and he was fantastic. Anyone who thinks he can't act should check it out.
 
Not having read the entire thread, Qui-Gon was in the RoTS book. This is what it said in the book, it would have taken 2 minutes to film and would have been awesome in the movie.

And the force answered him Do not blame yourself, my old friend.
As it sometimes has these past thirteen years, when the force spoke to him, it spoke in the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn.
"Too old I was," Yoda said. "Too rigid. Too arrogant to see tha tth eold way is not the ONLY way. These Jedi, I trained to become the Jedi who had trained me, long centuries ago -- but those ancient Jedi, of a different time they were. Changed, has the galaxy. Changed, the Order did not -- because let it change, I did not."
More easily said than done, my friend.
"An infinite mystery is the Force." Yoda lifted his head and turned his gaze out into the wheel of stars. "Much to learn, there still is."
And you will have time to learn it.
"Infinite knowledge..." Yoda shook his head. "Infinite time, does that require."
With my help, you can learn to join with the Force, yet retian consciousness. You can join your light to it forever. Perhaps, in time, even your physical self.
Yoda didn't move. "Eternal life..."
The ultimate goal of the Sith, ye tthey can never achieve it; it omes only by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness.
"Become one with the Force, yet influence still to have..." Yoda mused. "A power greater than all, it is."
It cannot be granted, it can only be taught. It is yours to learn, if you wish it.
Slowly, yoda nodded. "A very great Jedi Master you have become Qui-Gon Jinn. A very great Jedi Master you always were, but too bloind I was to see it."
He rose, and folded his hands before him, and inclined his head in the Jedi bow of respect. The bow of the sudent, in the presence of the Master.
"Your apprentice, I gratefully become."
He was well into his first lession when the hatch cycled open behind him. He turned.
In the corridor beyond stood Bail Organa, he look stricken.
"Obi-Wan is asking for you at the surgical theater," he siad. "It's Padme, she's dying."
 
Good acting is a combination of the director knowing what's right for the story, and the actor knowing what's right for the story.

Yep, and there are lots of examples in the SW saga where this worked for the better. Harrison Ford's "I know" response is probably the most famous example of an actor knowing the character more than the writer or director.

In ROTS Count Dooku was supposed to plead "Help me" to Palpatine after Anakin defeated him, but Christopher Lee advised Lucas he felt that would be out of character. Lucas recognized the misstep and cut the line. Kudos to Lee for being so invested in a character that had so few scenes and kudos to George for being open to his feedback.
 
Not having read the entire thread, Qui-Gon was in the RoTS book. This is what it said in the book, it would have taken 2 minutes to film and would have been awesome in the movie.

On the one hand, that interaction from the novel would have made a great scene, on the other hand I think the editing during the final scenes of ROTS was so fantastic and powerful I'd still prefer that it'd be left out (along with Yoda's Dagobah scene.)
 
On the one hand, that interaction from the novel would have made a great scene, on the other hand I think the editing during the final scenes of ROTS was so fantastic and powerful I'd still prefer that it'd be left out (along with Yoda's Dagobah scene.)

Yea, I'm a little biased, Qui-Gon is my favorite character from PT (besides maul), so I would have loved the scene
 
I liked that scene...explains what happened to Yoda...

They COULD do just his voice...that's how it is in the book...#

But I'd still like to see Qui-Gon as a force ghost...
 
I don't understand why this whole thing with Qui-Gon was thrown in to explain the "ghosts" to begin with. We already know they can show up as ghosts because of the Force. Why spell it out in detail only to end up with the same answer? That's one of the problems with the PT, it has to overexplain everything.
 
On the one hand, that interaction from the novel would have made a great scene, on the other hand I think the editing during the final scenes of ROTS was so fantastic and powerful I'd still prefer that it'd be left out (along with Yoda's Dagobah scene.)

I think Lucas dropped a HUGE ball with the last shot of ROTS by having it be the Lars and baby Luke looking oout of the twin suns. Sure, it's a bit nostalgic for those who know ANH (and the Luke shot) intimately, but it actually doesn't make sense at all in the narrative. Instead, it should have been Obi-Wan looking out into the Tatooine distance after dropping off the "new hope" to the Lars. And why would Owen be looking out at the sunset and the future ala Luke anyway? He's not a dreamer... he's a grumpy pragmatist!

Plus, Obi-Wan is one of the key figures of the PT and is the major foil in getting things started for Luke in ANH. A closing shot with him would have been the perfect bridge between not only the 2 movies, but the trilogies. And for those watching the saga chronologically, exactly why are they supposed to feel anything for the Lars and newborn Luke?

Huge missed opportunity, imho. But just one of many, sadly.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top