Will Hot Toys ever lose their value?

[Bloodsport]

Well of course it doesn't hold true for EVERY figure but for the Predator you mentioned I can counter with the Harvy Dent figure that I got for $50 or Sao Feng which is languishing in the GC section at Sideshow. I am just saying in general these things are not that limited and price doesn't equal rare. Predator is expensive because all of them are in the hands of people who want to keep them not because they only made 100 of them.

You got Mr. Dent for $50. Where?!!!!!

 

[KneelBeforrSmallville]

It all depends on the character and movie, and the quality of the figure IMO

 

[Bloodsport]

ball-less victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBPduMCUMFU

Now that is plain evil

 

[karamazov80]

Dent was listed on Amazon through GoHastings for $50 for a brief period of time. And before that, I thought I got a good deal at $100 shipped!

 

[cplhicks]

I got my Dent on Ebay for 99.99 BIN

 

[thenammagazine]

Again though, you guys are using the exceptions to base your arguments from, not the rule.

 

[karamazov80]

My arguments have zip to do with Harvey 2-Face. In any line you're gonna have more or less popular pieces. At this moment in time, as a whole, and for the short-term, Hot Toys figures are as good a toy investment as there is.

 

[Darth Madden]

You got Mr. Dent for $50. Where?!!!!!

It was on ebay about a year ago. Right place right time.

 

[spindrift]

Folks, HOT TOYS figures are LIMITED. End of discussion. Every thing manufactured is limited to a point. HT do not keep running figures over and over- they go out of production once the first production run is completed, In rare instances (Joker and T2 Arnie) a second run is made(not sure about DX Batman) and they sell out- look at their prices now. A few thousand of these produced is very limited in my book- compare that to any regular toy produced from Mattel or Hasbro. Their high msrp keeps 90% of potential buyers away initially. I concor, a "small"circle of collectors keep the secondary market prices going on Ebay and even here. I agree 98% of HT will stay well above initial release msrp for years to come. I don't see a radical improvement in the figures for the next 3-5 years, just refinements.

 

[Modus]

It looks to me that hot toys continually up their game. If I was them I'd look to take out sideshow and Bowen.

 

[tomk]

Anybody who buys this sort of stuff as a long term investment is either naive or has too much money. Buy stuff you like and if there's a financial return even better.

 

[Lejuan]

Anybody who buys this sort of stuff as a long term investment is either naive or has too much money. Buy stuff you like and if there's a financial return even better.

That's a given for genuine collectors, but the thread isn't really about how much figures will increase in value so much as will they ever lose their value. As much as I love my dollies, I'd be pretty bummed if T2 Arnie dropped too far below what I picked him up for.

 

[78Myers]

Folks, HOT TOYS figures are LIMITED. End of discussion. Every thing manufactured is limited to a point. HT do not keep running figures over and over- they go out of production once the first production run is completed, In rare instances (Joker and T2 Arnie) a second run is made(not sure about DX Batman) and they sell out- look at their prices now. A few thousand of these produced is very limited in my book- compare that to any regular toy produced from Mattel or Hasbro. Their high msrp keeps 90% of potential buyers away initially. I concor, a "small"circle of collectors keep the secondary market prices going on Ebay and even here. I agree 98% of HT will stay well above initial release msrp for years to come. I don't see a radical improvement in the figures for the next 3-5 years, just refinements.

So based on your arguments, every television ever produced, IKEA living room sets, shirts at the GAP, are all LIMITED. Oh, and I'll reinforce it by saying, "End of discussion. Every thing manufactured is limited to a point."


I love how some of you feel elevated to by collecting these TOYS - which they are from varying perspectives - and belittling the Hasbro's and Mattel's.

" A few thousand of these produced is very limited in my book- compare that to any regular toy produced from Mattel or Hasbro."

Just like the regular produced HT that can be had for months after their release in many cases in retail locations.

Same thing.

So what, its a tad more, so you can call it upscale, you can justify it by saying their "valuable collectibles," whatever...

It is what it is.

 

[Avenger]

So based on your arguments, every television ever produced, IKEA living room sets, shirts at the GAP, are all LIMITED. Oh, and I'll reinforce it by saying, "End of discussion. Every thing manufactured is limited to a point."


I love how some of you feel elevated to by collecting these TOYS - which they are from varying perspectives - and belittling the Hasbro's and Mattel's.

" A few thousand of these produced is very limited in my book- compare that to any regular toy produced from Mattel or Hasbro."

Just like the regular produced HT that can be had for months after their release in many cases in retail locations.

Same thing.

So what, its a tad more, so you can call it upscale, you can justify it by saying their "valuable collectibles," whatever...

It is what it is.

I don't know about how many qualifies as limited, but I've always taken limited to mean they're making so many in one print/production run and that's it. Hasbro, Matel, Ikea, etc. will keep making something as long as it sells. Hot Toys will sell out and that's it. The only way to get them beyond that, is on the secondary for more, less or free. By my understanding, that is limited, whereas the other things discussed are not because their numbers are based on sales not a fixed production run. That's why we get "limited edition" bags of Doritos. Doesn't make them collectors items, just means once those are sold, you won't see them again brand new, and you'll have to settle for the regular bag of Doritos that is not marked "limited".

If by some chance there are a lot of people looking for that limited edition bag with the Nascar driver on it, you can bet the price of that bag of chips will be higher than the MSRP. Supply and demand takes over after the production run, and the market sets the price. And that's how capitalism was born.

 

[Lejuan]

So based on your arguments, every television ever produced, IKEA living room sets, shirts at the GAP, are all LIMITED. Oh, and I'll reinforce it by saying, "End of discussion. Every thing manufactured is limited to a point."


I love how some of you feel elevated to by collecting these TOYS - which they are from varying perspectives - and belittling the Hasbro's and Mattel's.

" A few thousand of these produced is very limited in my book- compare that to any regular toy produced from Mattel or Hasbro."

Just like the regular produced HT that can be had for months after their release in many cases in retail locations.

Same thing.

So what, its a tad more, so you can call it upscale, you can justify it by saying their "valuable collectibles," whatever...

It is what it is.

Well uh, yeah, but people tend not to collect TVs, IKEA living room sets, GAP shirts etc - but they do collect HT action figures. The products you mention have, by and large, a built-in obsolescence that demands the consumer replace them at some point. This is not the case with HT figures.

When people talk about supply of these figures being limited, it is not to point out the obvious that 'x' quantity get produced and this is plenty for everyone who wants one at the time of release. The reason why some of these figures become so pricey in the aftermarket is because, quite evidently, there are not enough of these figures to go around for everyone who might want one over a sustained period of time.

You can slap your forehead all you want, but the inflated aftermarket prices of more than a dozen different HT figures tells you that demand is outstripping supply.

 

[78Myers]

Well uh, yeah, but people tend not to collect TVs, IKEA living room sets, GAP shirts etc - but they do collect HT action figures. The products you mention have, by and large, a built-in obsolescence that demands the consumer replace them at some point. This is not the case with HT figures.

When people talk about supply of these figures being limited, it is not to point out the obvious that 'x' quantity get produced and this is plenty for everyone who wants one at the time of release. The reason why some of these figures become so pricey in the aftermarket is because, quite evidently, there are not enough of these figures to go around for everyone who might want one over a sustained period of time.

You can slap your forehead all you want, but the inflated aftermarket prices of more than a dozen different HT figures tells you that demand is outstripping supply.

I don't know, but I know many people that 'collect' TVs, always have 4-10 in the house and enjoy the advanacements in the tech., same as we do with figures. Same with people who don't waste their money on TOYS as we do, but would spend the same amount on limited shirts and gear they would rather wear and spend their money on.

"The products you mention have, by and large, a built-in obsolescence that demands the consumer replace them at some point. This is not the case with HT figures."

And the TOYS you collect are not? Good one, I needed a laugh before I went to bed.

 

[Lejuan]

I don't know, but I know many people that 'collect' TVs, always have 4-10 in the house and enjoy the advanacements in the tech., same as we do with figures. Same with people who don't waste their money on TOYS as we do, but would spend the same amount on limited shirts and gear they would rather wear and spend their money on.

"The products you mention have, by and large, a built-in obsolescence that demands the consumer replace them at some point. This is not the case with HT figures."

And the TOYS you collect are not? Good one, I needed a laugh before I went to bed.

Oh I see. That must be why the TV I paid $1000 for a year ago is now worth $400 and sinking, but the $150 I paid for T2 Arnie a year ago is now worth over $300 and climbing.

It seems that you have not sought to distinguish the difference between collecting and consuming.

 

[ebor]

^^^Lejuan, you genious, you have come up with the ultimate cross-over direction HT can spread their money-making-collectible interests to...




Edible collectibles... 'you've run out of money spending your hard earned cash on toys and neglected your food budget, but now... EDIBLE HOT TOYS 1:6 scale.'

(for a snack eat the new edible CROSSBABIES)--- even great for the kids!

sorry to be so glib

good luck with your arguement fellows

 

[78Myers]

Oh I see. That must be why the TV I paid $1000 for a year ago is now worth $400 and sinking, but the $150 I paid for T2 Arnie a year ago is now worth over $300 and climbing.

It seems that you have not sought to distinguish the difference between collecting and consuming.

So the main reason to collect, is to reap financial benefits? LOL -- nice distinguishing that for me. Yeah, one of the protocols for it to be 'collecting' is to expect a profit on your purchase. Brilliant.

 

[Lejuan]

So the main reason to collect, is to reap financial benefits? LOL -- nice distinguishing that for me. Yeah, one of the protocols for it to be 'collecting' is to expect a profit on your purchase. Brilliant.

I didn't say anything about the main reason for collecting being to make a profit. I am pointing out what to most here among us is the bleeding obvious:

that demand for many of these figures currently outstrips supply.