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Do you really think that a 1,000 or even 10,000 of something is not limited?

Someone already posted about the world population. Hot Toys figures are limited. This is a thinking man's hobby. Use your mind, dude! :cuckoo:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Madden's post was scarcasm there, bub. :lol
 
Do you really think that a 1,000 or even 10,000 of something is not limited?

Someone already posted about the world population. Hot Toys figures are limited. This is a thinking man's hobby. Use your mind, dude! :cuckoo:

Compared to the world population? Wow, never heard that comparison before. In this day and age no way is 10,000 limited. A thousand maybe but I am sure there are closer to 10,000 than 1,000 DX Jokers or DX Sparrows.
 
The fact that there are probably 40 DX Jokers for sale at any one time on ebay means they are not limited.
 
Sorry, I didn't know you were the GOD of Hot Toys. Sorry to infringe on your teritory all mighty one.
 
I don't feel they're very limited either. There's certainly a limited window in which to buy them at retail price/in stores but during that window there seems more than enough to go around. There may be exceptions to this, like the T2 T-800 seemed to be in short supply at first and ETD may be another, but in general it seems like despite the billions of people in the world, a point referenced before, no one is having trouble picking up these figures when they first come out.

I don't care to argue on this point though, I don't care so strongly that I want to prove it one way or the other, but just to me these figures have never struck me as being limited/scarce items.

As to numbers, I don't think they alone really mean much. You speculate about numbers for HT, as though knowing this would be proof of something, but I'm sure if you look through your collectibles you have a few non-HT figures/statues that you know are produced in small numbered quantities and yet you can still buy them today for the same price you paid a year ago and just as easily too. Two examples of this, looking around my room now, are the Gentle Giant TCM2 Leatherface bust, supposedly 1 of 1000, and a Dark Horse Homer statue, 1 of 600. These are very low numbers, especially when we go back to the point about there being billions of people in the world, and yet somehow, even knowing these numbers, there seems to be enough to go around...
 
If there were enough to go around, older HT figures wouldn't be fetching $400-$1k and up on ebay. The reason they're selling that much is because supply didn't meet demand. That hardly sounds like a mass produced toy to me. You can use lame examples and the few poor sellers to base your arguments on all you want, but the majority of HT's figures go up. Ebay's ripe with proof. :huh
 
Supply and demand. If the demand for Leatherface and Homer are not there, the supply is more than sufficient to cover things. The crux of this whole thread is wrapped up on the old adage that things are worth what people will pay for them. Comparing a Jack Sparrow figure to Iron Man isn't going to really say anything because the only thing these two share is that they were made by Hot Toys. But if everyone wants a Mark 1 (and it seems like they do even if they can't afford one), there's a pretty sure bet supplies are limited regardless of production. There's 6 of them on ebay right now. So, yes they're available, but the pricing on that one is a sellers market for sure.
 
If there were enough to go around, older HT figures wouldn't be fetching $400-$1k and up on ebay. The reason they're selling that much is because supply didn't meet demand. That hardly sounds like a mass produced toy to me. You can use lame examples and the few poor sellers to base your arguments on all you want, but the majority of HT's figures go up. Ebay's ripe with proof. :huh

I see limited and expensive as two different things. If I can go to ebay and find 30 listings for a figure that came out 3 years ago then its not limited no matter what it costs.

Just my opinion so I'm done with this debate now.
 
I see limited and expensive as two different things. If I can go to ebay and find 30 listings for a figure that came out 3 years ago then its not limited no matter what it costs.

Just my opinion so I'm done with this debate now.

Hand in hand. Lack of availability drives up price. It's common sense. And people are paying those prices because, otherwise, they're just not available. :dunno
 
Hot Toys doesn't produce nearly the same level of product as Sideshow. So with Sideshow producing limited editions, HT's are even smaller.

I'd actually be interested to know if thats true but since HT doesn't reveal its production run we'll never know for sure.
 
If there were enough to go around, older HT figures wouldn't be fetching $400-$1k and up on ebay. The reason they're selling that much is because supply didn't meet demand. That hardly sounds like a mass produced toy to me. You can use lame examples and the few poor sellers to base your arguments on all you want, but the majority of HT's figures go up. Ebay's ripe with proof. :huh

But are there 1,000 people clamoring for these $400 - 1,000 figures on eBay or is it perhaps just 50 - 100 people fighting with each other? It only takes two people to take a figure from $1 to $1,000 on eBay and another two to do it again.

I completely agree with Darth Madden on his point above: there's a difference between expensive and limited. An increased asking price to me doesn't mean I've suddenly got something highly limited on my hands.
 
Perhaps, but it makes it highly valuable if that's what people are paying. And, this thread is about these things dropping below MSRP due to a market change on HT's product. Even if there's 1000 on ebay, if they're costing twice what that original price was, they're holding up just fine.
 
Yes, but valuable doesn't equal limited and vice versa, that's all I was saying.

I don't think this thread is about figures dropping to below MSRP but about maintaining or returning to MSRP.

To be clear, I agree with you, I'm of the opinion that in most cases they'll at the very least retain MSRP. I really can't imagine a day is ever going to come when they're exchanging hands for $30 - 40 or anything like that, no.
 
I think we got a little off track with the limited part. Limited, expense and demand are all seperate things. Things can be limited and cheap or common and expensive based on demand.

So back on the real topic. While I don't see a complete bottoming out for HT figs (I mean Joker is never going to cost $40.) But, I have a feeling that with the huge increase in MSRP, the variety of things people have to buy, the ever increasing quality making older figs expendable and with a lot of people hording them as an investment I can see a time where for example the $400 Joker goes back down to $200.


Edit: Dang it Grosby... you can type faster than me. :)
 
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