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I’m just glad that Disney has now made four films far superior to the prequels.

Well to me that's the joke of the day and tells me that those who dislike the creators movies were never really the best star wars fans, because he created them it is his movies and look at what he gave us. Everything he did I admired even if they had their bad moments cuz he moved his story along and told us before hand what the prequels were going to be about and that was what he gave us! I mean how can you go and say Disney movies were better when all they did in TFA was copy his previous movies with just updated vehicles and updated boring stories as well as TLJ. Ro was different at least but that is one of four movies. But RO was kind of boring. Solo I still have not scene, I hope to see it soon, but will see.

Anyways, to start off as much as I disliked parts of the phatom, we got maul one of the best sith lords ever. Second one was ok, still very enjoyable at times. Now the third one I really loved and to this day Rots was and still is my favorite of star wars that an ESB. I will say this, no star wars movies had good acting, I mean none. So rots acting was ok, it was the writing of the dialogue that made it kind of bad at times but can be over looked. But other than that it was a very dark movie and far superior than any other with skills power and darkness. I counted like five epic battles in that movie along with non stop action. I loved the cgi, at times it was a bit much. But at least it transported me in a different world, one of excitement and darkness. Rather than being bored. I had chills through out the whole movie. But like every movie comes some bad. Vader yelling no was pretty bad. Some bad writing. But again that can be overlooked with a great story and Lucas set out to do what he had said from the beginning, tell us how and why Anakin turned to the dark side. Rots and Ebs were the only two star wars I truly was like I need to see that again and again , but new hope was great I can always watch that again. ROTJ was the least favorite of mine. But I still liked it. Great for it's time. But the Tfa to me just redid that movie in different ways. Updated the vehicles, but brought nothing new to the table other than forgettable character. But I feel now your the minority here for sure with that comment. I believe that after all these Disney movies didn't turn out how pple expected them too, it made the prequels that much better. But to say three boring ass Disney movies were better than the prequels just tells me one thing your a Disney fan boy, which is fine. To each their own. But movies these days are all the same. Hero Villan, comic movies. Pple these days that is all they like, all these comic movies. I watched one, the dark knight and loved it cuz Joker. But after that they all were the same. I am curious though I told you why ROTS was great and why I loved it, so in your opinion why was Disney star wars good? Anyways, this is old news, so I will say this in the next paragraph and end this discussion because their are those that love it or hate it. I fall in the one that hates these as you can tell. But this has been drawn out for a while now, so read it if you want, or don't it is what it is. We all have different tastes.

My reasoning why I dislike the Disney movies are. TFA really brought nothing new to Star Wars and same as TLJ. RO I fell sleep but again at least their was some hope. But in both TFA and TLJ the plot was off. For example in TFA Rey, so powerful with out any training. Ren, probably the biggest ***** in the star wars universe. Tfa, lets talk about that for now. Ren is totally miscast and moments in the movie I fell asleep or laughed at how bad it was. The sun is out, Ren I am turning good. The sun goes behind a cloud oh I am bad now lets kill my dad. But tell me this how can a woman with no training what so ever beat a sith or someone who was trained by Luke skywalker? Also, the biggest mistake in these movies and what makes TLJ so bad is how these characters have no growth and how they can not swing a light saber. At least Lucas progressed that and had some bad ass powerful jedi's and sith. But Disney has one ***** be in charge named Ren and then a woman who is more powerful than anyone with out one bit of training, that never happened in any star wars movies, Luke had to learn, Anakin had to learn. But again, wtf can she lift rocks with her mind but again not be able to swing a saber? TFA at the end an earth quake separates then, but Ren can not use force jump to get over rather than watch the whole thing. Then earlier in the fight with Rey gets seriously man handled. I just don't get any of these movies. Not one good saber battle and the star wars typical x wing battles through out the movies, typical jumbled storys, I will give the acting a good review but if the story is a mess its over for me. Anyways, just an opinion so don't get all personal. If you do then this conversations over, and tells me you cannot have an adult conversation so keep it cool dawg. I will always love star wars but I do dislike Disney star wars same **** but updated. I would rather watch any prequel than any D star wars. Like watching paint dry or saying didn't I see this already. Or if I need to fall asleep I put TFA or TLJ on Kodi and sure enough both me and my bull dogs are asleep lol! Peace, and remember this is just an opinion. I respect yours, but just trying to understand why u like them so much to say that comment. Well, sorry for the paragraph, Peace!
 
This explains step by step why TLJ was not a good movie:



:exactly:

Everything said in this video is true.
Also, everything said in this video is why I'll probably not even bother watching this last one Disney is ruining.... I mean, filming now.

That said... I'll still buy stuff from the OT. However, those purchases will be 95% fan made. & because of that, Disney will get nothing.
 
Yes, I actually did read all of that. My main take away was this -

Anyways, just an opinion so don't get all personal. If you do then this conversations over, and tells me you cannot have an adult conversation so keep it cool dawg.

After referring to my post and myself as a joke, never a Star Wars fan, and a Disney fanboy. Anyways...

As a huge Star Wars fan and a George Lucas fan, whom I owe much of my career to and have had very positive experiences with, the prequels just aren’t very good, RotS definitely the best of the bunch. Much of the lore set up in them is great and that’s what George is best at. The problem was that he was surrounded by yes people too afraid to tell him no, or change that, or do this, and you’re left with a final product with bad acting, terrible dialogue, green screen sets and bad storytelling.

The Disney era stuff isn’t perfect by any means but they are hitting the high points much more than the prequels. Rogue One for example is now a top 3 Star Wars film for me. They have creators and artists that know this lore and the aesthetics of Star Wars and crafting some great stuff. TLJ has some of the best Star Wars of Star Wars, Luke and R2 reunite, the throne room fight, just great scenes.

It also has the terribly cheesy Rose line removing the saddle “now it was worth it”.

Not quite as bad as a droid saying “she died of a broken heart”

or

Midichlorians.

and you should watch Solo. But you probably won’t like it. :)
 
I honestly have no idea what “failure” you’re talking about. Just because a few salty fanboys didn’t like this movie doesn’t mean one of the most popular films of all time failed

Please tell me you are trolling. If you seriously think that "The Last Jedi" is one of the most popular films of all time or that the serious divisiveness can be reduced to a "few silly fanboys" than that goes way beyond an opinion I disagree with and straight into the category of delusional.

I don't care how you feel about the film. If you want to love it than go ahead. But you've got to acknowledge that at the very least this film received "mixed reviews" among viewers.
 
If you look at all time, highest grossing films in the world, it is in the top 20 (almost top 10: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/ ). But that doesn't account for ticket price inflation. It's not a metric of the # of tickets sold. Almost all of the highest grossing films on that list came out in the last 10-15 years.

That doesn't mean anything, all star wars movies make money period. Even if pple don't like them they will see them. I even saw them and I despise disney star wars movies. So, just because a movie makes money doesn't mean its good. Lucas set them up to be good that people will show their kids and their kids and so on and so forth so pple see them. So, it is what it is. But for pple to keep coming on here and defending these boring ass movies, get over it. Let's all move on. A lot of pple hate them and some love them. But honestly I really don't understand how pple like these. I fell asleep in everyone of them. God honest truth. At least Lucas films I never did.
 
Yes, I actually did read all of that. My main take away was this -



After referring to my post and myself as a joke, never a Star Wars fan, and a Disney fanboy. Anyways...

As a huge Star Wars fan and a George Lucas fan, whom I owe much of my career to and have had very positive experiences with, the prequels just aren’t very good, RotS definitely the best of the bunch. Much of the lore set up in them is great and that’s what George is best at. The problem was that he was surrounded by yes people too afraid to tell him no, or change that, or do this, and you’re left with a final product with bad acting, terrible dialogue, green screen sets and bad storytelling.

The Disney era stuff isn’t perfect by any means but they are hitting the high points much more than the prequels. Rogue One for example is now a top 3 Star Wars film for me. They have creators and artists that know this lore and the aesthetics of Star Wars and crafting some great stuff. TLJ has some of the best Star Wars of Star Wars, Luke and R2 reunite, the throne room fight, just great scenes.

It also has the terribly cheesy Rose line removing the saddle “now it was worth it”.

Not quite as bad as a droid saying “she died of a broken heart”

or

Midichlorians.

and you should watch Solo. But you probably won’t like it. :)

Bro no offense but TFA TLJ RO were all boring af. But RO had that Vader scene so it left with hope that disney can make a bad ass movie. With action and bad ass saber battles but then again they don't. See I can live with some bad acting. But dude you can't be serious to say that Disney star wars had good acting. The didn't none of them did. But again I can totally live with a bad acting scene if the movie has great entertainment. I never saw any bad green screens. However, I wasn't the biggest fan of the first two prequels. But again I will always stick up for ROTS. It puts all the star wars to shame in battles and saber battles with skill and power and darkness. That a side though. We covered this.

Earlier I asked u why you liked TFA and TLJ and you never really told me. RO also, I mean I litterally feel a sleep in the theater almost the whole movie of RO till Vader came on and killed it so I did love that part. But Everything else was really slow. Well, I feel like I said this already. Lets just say we agree to disagree. However, I am just trying to understand why pple like these movies. Wait I read you like some of the scenes. But saying this is laughable dawg "They have creators and artists that know this lore and the aesthetics of Star Wars." Dude Lucas is the creator of it all so saying that is totally irrelevant. They copied the previous movies and updated the machines and vehicles like I stated. No cool planets just a desert type and snow planet. Then in TLJ a island and a salt planet. Nothing unique what so ever. The whole movie in the LJ had cheesy ass parts. But pple listed them, so I won't repeat them. Same with TFA Ren whines the whole damn time like Anakin in the first two prequels. So he has one last chance to prove himself like Anakin did and he made up for that with killing everything and everyone.

Oh I forgot the cheesy ass comedy in TLJ. Talk about bad acting and bad lines come on man???

Ill watch solo, but reason why I didn't is because I hated all of what Disney did and I am tired of giving them my money for ****** movies. I mean they have made some good movies in the past sadly Star Wars isn't one of them. But if like them that is cool bro. We all are different, but I just don't understand the nature of how boring they are and pple praise it. Well, its all good I wish you well.
 
Bro no offense but TFA TLJ RO were all boring af. But RO had that Vader scene so it left with hope that disney can make a bad ass movie. With action and bad ass saber battles but then again they don't. See I can live with some bad acting. But dude you can't be serious to say that Disney star wars had good acting. The didn't none of them did. But again I can totally live with a bad acting scene if the movie has great entertainment. I never saw any bad green screens. However, I wasn't the biggest fan of the first two prequels. But again I will always stick up for ROTS. It puts all the star wars to shame in battles and saber battles with skill and power and darkness. That a side though. We covered this.

Earlier I asked u why you liked TFA and TLJ and you never really told me. RO also, I mean I litterally feel a sleep in the theater almost the whole movie of RO till Vader came on and killed it so I did love that part. But Everything else was really slow. Well, I feel like I said this already. Lets just say we agree to disagree. However, I am just trying to understand why pple like these movies. Wait I read you like some of the scenes. But saying this is laughable dawg "They have creators and artists that know this lore and the aesthetics of Star Wars." Dude Lucas is the creator of it all so saying that is totally irrelevant. They copied the previous movies and updated the machines and vehicles like I stated. No cool planets just a desert type and snow planet. Then in TLJ a island and a salt planet. Nothing unique what so ever. The whole movie in the LJ had cheesy ass parts. But pple listed them, so I won't repeat them. Same with TFA Ren whines the whole damn time like Anakin in the first two prequels. So he has one last chance to prove himself like Anakin did and he made up for that with killing everything and everyone.

Oh I forgot the cheesy ass comedy in TLJ. Talk about bad acting and bad lines come on man???

Ill watch solo, but reason why I didn't is because I hated all of what Disney did and I am tired of giving them my money for ****** movies. I mean they have made some good movies in the past sadly Star Wars isn't one of them. But if like them that is cool bro. We all are different, but I just don't understand the nature of how boring they are and pple praise it. Well, its all good I wish you well.

Only been bored by one Star Wars movie, The Phantom Menace. Truly a chore to get through nowadays.
 
Only been bored by one Star Wars movie, The Phantom Menace. Truly a chore to get through nowadays.

Wow, I agree with Phantom, but all Disney I don't at all! But hey we agree on one thing. But I do love Maul! To bad their wasn't more of him.
 
Unfortunately for a tent pole movie to succeed nowadays you can't have any slower paced parts in a movie or else the current generation/s of moviegoers will automatically find the film 'boring' and slow. I'm not saying Disney Star Wars films are great, but I also won't say that they've been terrible either imo. It's certainly the case that they've been hated by quite a huge segment that post on the various Social media platforms.

Now I'm about to commit blasphemy here, but because I watched the originally trilogy late in life, I actually found the movies that came after easier to watch. In that sometimes I felt that the OT movies didn't always hold up, but I do understand why they're considered classics of the genre.

Personally Rogue One is one of my top 3 Star Wars films.
 
Honestly I find both the prequels and the new trilogy to be bad movies in different ways. Its like comparing rotten apples to moldy oranges.

The prequels were decent stories told in a horrible way, with terrible acting, writing, effects, and directing. There's a lot of good ideas here. But they were brought to life in the worst possible way.

The new trilogy are horrible stories told pretty well, with pretty good acting, effects, and directing; but nothing worth caring about. This is only made worse by the fact that the series actively ruins the legacy of most of the beloved OT characters.
 
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Honestly I find both the prequels and the new trilogy to be bad movies in different ways. Its like comparing rotten apples to moldy oranges.

The prequels were decent stories told in a horrible way, with terrible acting, writing, effects, and directing. There's a lot of good ideas here. But they were brought to life in the worst possible way.

The new trilogy are horrible stories told pretty well, with pretty good acting, effects, and directing; but nothing worth caring about. This is only made worse by the fact that the series actively ruins the legacy of most of the beloved OT characters.

Imo that was the greatest perceived sin of TLJ, to a lot of the fan base. Personally it didn't really affect me much. My only two problems with TLJ was I didn't like that Poe was treated like an incompetent fool, and I think they should've pulled that entire casino arc. I think the story would've worked better just by saying that the First Order somehow detected the fleeing Alliance ships, and that in itself would've improved my perception of Poe.
 
Yep a lot of truth here. The ST and spinoffs are gold compared to the Prequels.

That is the new generation of movie goers like, comic movies hero villain and boring ass star wars movies, it is what it is though! Pple would rather have a horrible story to better acting. To me that is just crazy. Plus the Disney movies aren't the best acting as well, with horrible story lines and bad plots. But again it is what it is. It will always be divided no matter what. Then to put comedy in theses Disney movies is just atrocious. Doesn't even flow at all. I gave up on star wars and I grew up in the 70's. Something I thought I would never say. Ill stick with the older movies even the prequels than disney. So, the division continues! I hated disney star wars so much I had statues with TFA and got rid of all of them!
 
Even though I greatly enjoy the original trilogy I sometimes think that the original films are viewed through rose tinted glasses (myself included).

I once watched over a weekend 7-8 of the films in chronological order and I must admit that while at the time I found various problems with each of the movies, I did more or less have fun watching them all. But the rewatchability of the first prequel doesn't really hold up, other than the pod racing and the main Darth Maul fight sequences.
 
Even though I greatly enjoy the original trilogy I sometimes think that the original films are viewed through rose tinted glasses (myself included).

I once watched over a weekend 7-8 of the films in chronological order and I must admit that while at the time I found various problems with each of the movies, I did more or less have fun watching them all. But the rewatchability of the first prequel doesn't really hold up, other than the pod racing and the main Darth Maul fight sequences.

I agree with what you say about Phantom, and I have trouble with Rotj as well as replay ability. Out of the six movies. Disney I don't count. Cuz I can't watch any of those with out snoozing or finding myself completely board. But They all had great things about them.
 
Honestly I find both the prequels and the new trilogy to be bad movies in different ways. Its like comparing rotten apples to moldy oranges.

The prequels were decent stories told in a horrible way, with terrible acting, writing, effects, and directing. There's a lot of good ideas here. But they were brought to life in the worst possible way.

The new trilogy are horrible stories told pretty well, with pretty good acting, effects, and directing; but nothing worth caring about. This is only made worse by the fact that the series actively ruins the legacy of most of the beloved OT characters.

When you're right you're right.
 
Of course the value of OT collectibles will take a hit. Star Wars has become a joke. ITs ruined, its mystic is gone. It has become garbage.
 
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