Wolverine Origins (Spoilers/Discussion)
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DarthNeil
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Just a quick question... Why were two Canadian immortals (James and Victor/Wolverine and Sabertooth) fighting in so many American conflicts for the U.S. army in the opening montage?
Just a quick question... Why were two Canadian immortals (James and Victor/Wolverine and Sabertooth) fighting in so many American conflicts for the U.S. army in the opening montage?
Good point but I just figured they fled to the states after Logan killed his real dad.
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Nah....those are Fanboys who fell in love with Nolan. That a whole different thing. I loved TDK for a multitude of reasons but it definitely isn't the end all for Batman and I think most fans would agree. Although it would have been nice to get the Nolan treatment into the X-Universe (not him specficially just a director who wanted to make an actual movie not so much a predictable comic book film)
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I think there's a lot of crossover in that fanboy community but, yeah, there is diversity there as well.
I think X2 is one of the best comic book movies ever made. Bryan Singer (aside from the VERY stupid decision to make Superman a deadbeat dad) has shown just as much respect for the characters he's used and found much more humanity in them than Nolan did IMO. I find nothing to relate to or care about in TDK- just big themes. It's an arguable point and probably comes down to personal preference but I think it's a mistake to ignore the great work Singer did.
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As did I... But doesn't Logan say, when he's playing the role of humble lumberjack (insert Monty Python song here), as Stryker approaches him that it's not his country as he's "Canadian"?... Or am I not remembering that properly?
"I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok"...
Yeah, he sure did. I figured he'd moved back to Canada at the time of that meeting though or at least was being coy.
Or it could just be really bad writing and filmmaking.
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Don't get me wrong, TDK is good but I actually enjoy and appreciate BB more. The main action scene in TDK for me wasn't that exciting or well executed.
I have a hard time sitting thru TDK again but not BB......Well, maybe hard is not the correct term I should be using, it's just a struggle getting thru it.
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I 100% agree with you. I've watched BB several times but haven't been able to sit though TDK since the theater. I like Chris Nolan's work in general and I'm not trying to hate on TDK.
jye4ever
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True true, no hate from me towards TDK, some remarkable stuff he was able to accomplish and in the theater I enjoyed it very much but at home I have yet to sit thru it once yet BB a dozen times over.
It's like my wife and I start yawning thru it and the action pieces do nothing for me, especially the end with his sonar vision....yawn...however I do enjoy it when he's beating the crap out of Joker, fun stuff.
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My favorite bit with the Joker is when he puts the dogs on Batman and then beats him with a pipe (?)....if they had been hyenas that could have been straight from the comics or animated series.
There are elements that I think are great in TDK it just doesn't cohere to a great movie for me.
BB is a more straightforward story and Bruce and Rachel are much more sympathetic and relatable characters in it. I guess people would say it's less ambitious but I find the simplicity of Bruce's journey more appealing and refreshing for a Batman movie.
Sorry to be so OT but it's nice to have a civil exchange about BB/TDK. I'll take it where I can get it.
There are elements that I think are great in TDK it just doesn't cohere to a great movie for me.
BB is a more straightforward story and Bruce and Rachel are much more sympathetic and relatable characters in it. I guess people would say it's less ambitious but I find the simplicity of Bruce's journey more appealing and refreshing for a Batman movie.
Sorry to be so OT but it's nice to have a civil exchange about BB/TDK. I'll take it where I can get it.
Ouch. I didn't think Origins was even close to that bad. Low blow,DarthNeil. Low blow.
jinxx
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I think the plot needed a lot of work....seriously, Sabretooth's got a healing factor! what's was the point hunting down Wolverine for a DNA sample!?...THEY"RE BROTHERS!....awful!...
cerealkeller
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Honestly IMO X-3 is a better film. It's not good mind you, but better than this garbage. I might sound overly harsh, but I didn't enjoy any part of it that didn't have Ryan Reynolds or Liev Schreiber. X-3 at least had the benefit of a plot, where Wolverine seemed to be cobbled together set pieces thrown in a blender with poor exposition between. And let's not bring TDK into this, TDK was a FILM, Wolverine is a PRODUCT.
jye4ever
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My favorite bit with the Joker is when he puts the dogs on Batman and then beats him with a pipe (?)....if they had been hyenas that could have been straight from the comics or animated series.
There are elements that I think are great in TDK it just doesn't cohere to a great movie for me.
BB is a more straightforward story and Bruce and Rachel are much more sympathetic and relatable characters in it. I guess people would say it's less ambitious but I find the simplicity of Bruce's journey more appealing and refreshing for a Batman movie.
Sorry to be so OT but it's nice to have a civil exchange about BB/TDK. I'll take it where I can get it.
Same here....
You brought up a good point before, TDK follows a strong ideological path but I don't feel connected with anything at the end, it's like the movie was over and I walked out thinking about what I was going to eat for dinner.
You know what's the best about any of these Marvel - DC movies, no matter how good or bad they are, we each have our own really GOOD reasons why we pick one over the other.
There are days I'm liking one movie better than the other and I keep leap frogging them depending how I got up in the morning, especially with the ones which are so close in quality.
Monday I like Ang Lee's Hulk better than the newer one and by that weekend i'm allover the new one like a fly on doodie.
Will Elektra and Catwoman always remain at the bottom of the barrel for me, sure....until Ghost Rider 2 comes along......
jye4ever
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Valid points, and I agree that TDK can be looked upon as a serious "film" because of how they decided to respect the characters and the world which they inhabit vs a movie like Punisher: Warzone and Wolverine which are indeed "Products" as you prefer to call them.
But I can get just as much enjoyment out of a "Product Movie" as I can a serious "Film"
I can enjoy art from Akira Kurosawa while also equally being entertained by Kill Bill.
cerealkeller
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Valid points, and I agree that TDK can be looked upon as a serious "film" because of how they decided to respect the characters and the world which they inhabit vs a movie like Punisher: Warzone and Wolverine which are indeed "Products" as you prefer to call them.
But I can get just as much enjoyment out of a "Product Movie" as I can a serious "Film"
I can enjoy art from Akira Kurosawa while also equally being entertained by Kill Bill.
True enough, I just think the character of Wolverine deserves the same respect shown that Nolan and Co. showed Batman. Marvel needs to buy their rights back from Fox or I don't think we'll ever get great X-Men films. Imagine how cool Magneto could be as an origin film if in the hands of a capable filmaker and a studio that's willing to give their directors freedom to create?
I think the plot needed a lot of work....seriously, Sabretooth's got a healing factor! what's was the point hunting down Wolverine for a DNA sample!?...THEY"RE BROTHERS!....awful!...
I enjoyed the movie but I do not have the complete history of all the characters to dislike the films inconsistencies.
In the film Stryker said Sabertooth wouldn't survive the process. I figured they did not have the same healing factor.
I guess it is a good thing I do not read the comics...
