Wonder Woman - June 2, 2017

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Well that's taken from the comics. And trying to juxtapose this aspect of fantastic, Greek mythology with the real world is tough to jibe with a more "realistic" view of the world, unless you've already come to accept it in comics and the cartoons. The same goes for Thor in the Marvel Universe to some extent. But I was able to suspend disbelief in this one. I think there was an internal, logical consistency to it. And to integrate Aquaman and his kingdom into things will probably require the same leap.

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My showing is tomorrow.....
I know you're a DC guy, so I hope it doesn't disappoint. It is much more in line with Bruce Timm's take on DC than on Snyder's, though, for better or worse.
 
DC guy??? but Spidey is my fave....

1. Spidey
2. Swamp Thing
3. Miracleman
4. Conan
5. Juggernaut

But yea I lean towards DC. Challenge of the Superfriends >*
 
What a wonderful film. The pacing is a little off and i think I preferred the character of Wonder Woman over the actual film itself. Just so damn likeable. Some of the slow mo action shots were awesome and im generally not a fan of that style. Weak villains and lame final 15 mins aren't enough to stop me wanting a statue from this film.
 
Well that's taken from the comics. And trying to juxtapose this aspect of fantastic, Greek mythology with the real world is tough to jibe with a more "realistic" view of the world, unless you've already come to accept it in comics and the cartoons. The same goes for Thor in the Marvel Universe to some extent. But I was able to suspend disbelief in this one. I think there was an internal, logical consistency to it. And to integrate Aquaman and his kingdom into things will probably require the same leap.


I know you're a DC guy, so I hope it doesn't disappoint. It is much more in line with Bruce Timm's take on DC than on Snyder's, though, for better or worse.

My problem wasn't so much how the greek mythology was presented, that was fine, it was with how the amazonians acted on it.

Their decisions made no sense.

The whole conflict between the sisters was as shallow as Gadot's butt.

I really loved Steve's arc though and even though it could've been easily avoided I get why they had to go there and at least it was utilized well enough.
 
Just watched it tonight.

It is far better than dawn of justice for sure. But overall still a pretty average movie, it lacks the depth and story telling marvel movies do so well. I really don't get how this got a 97% on rottentomato, a solid 70% movie at best. The final boss fight is especially disappointing, there is no intensity just feel like they are going through the motion acting around and then finally Wonder Woman gets up and ends the dude.

This is almost a mirror movie to capt america first avenger.. But capt movie did it so much better in story telling.

IMO, just reading the critical comments - WITHOUT DISSING THE MOVIE IN ANY WAY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT - with some, the gushing level seems to be off the charts. E.g., the hype machine is in full swing to the point for me it's not credible.

*Shrug*. It's probably a good movie. But no matter how well Gadot does in this, she's just not the Wonder Woman I would have hoped for, visually. I didn't take to her in BvS. Also, while there are thin women, average women, curvy women I can't get past the very slim model physique supposedly kicking so much butt. And Chris Pine IMO was OK in Star Trek 1 and 2 but he doesn't blow me away as an actor (and most recently trash talking Infinity War when Oscar winners etc. are lining up to get signed to a Marvel film - plz. Give it a rest, Chris - just because Marvel didn't give you a call:lol)

I dunno - for me there's just not enough there it seems to get me to pay theater prices. Catch it on cable whenever.
 
I really enjoyed the film and don't get the minimal complaints i've read on the forum about Gadot. I thought she was excellent in the role. She pulled off the strong warrior and naivety very well. Chris Pine is always good and the Amazons were entertaining (and :lol at all the people who complained before about Artemis or black Amazons)

The pacing was a little off, but not enough for it to take away from the film. I'd probably give it a strong 8 or 9 out of 10. I'm seeing it again on Sunday with my nieces and have a feeling I'll enjoy it more with a second viewing.
 
I saw a 7 PM showing tonight and I tried to keep my expectations low, I did. I got overhyped about The Avengers and that ruined the movie for me, but I couldn't help it, I got excited...and I'm pleased to say that the film not only met but exceeded my expectations. From here on out, I'll put the whole thing in spoiler tags, as I aim to talk freely about the details.

I loved Gadot in the role. She perfectly balanced that innocence of Diana with the idea that she's entirely capable, independent, and, frankly, a badass, and I thought it worked, well, wonderfully. This is the kind of film DC needs, and I'm sad to see that some of you guys didn't enjoy it advice much as I did, because I did feel that magic I felt when I watched Superman: The Movie. This is a movie with heart, and I feel like it accomplishes everything they might have set out to do with Man of Steel, for instance, but failed to execute.

I look back on my experience tonight and I felt a full spectrum of emotions. Wonder as I watched the Amazons battle German soldiers, Trevor's daring escape from their clutches brought me back to the swashbuckling adventure of films like Raiders of the Lost Ark, and what I loved the most was how the film made Diana feel. You are with her as she witnesses the horrors of war, and it is sad and it is depressing, and then there she is, walking into No Man's Land, graceful, powerful, and it's so empowering. My buddy and I were seated next to a woman and her three little girls and I can't help but wonder what that must've been like for them. I know feminism is a dirty word around here, but I think about how much of a long time coming this film has been, and it makes me happy, and they executed it beautifully because there was such a good balance. They did not sugar coat it. There were men screaming in pain on the side of the Battlefield, legs amputated, and it felt dark, and it felt gritty, because it should. If ever there were a place for "grit," it's in the muddied trenches of warfare, but the thing about it is: she didn't, and that's what was so amazing about it.

I think back to one of my first experiences with Wonder Woman as a kid, and it was the oversized Alex Ross/Paul Dini book Wonder Woman: Spirit of Truth, and I felt the same feelings I did when I read that book and looked at Ross' bright, glowing artwork when I watched this film: I felt hope, and it was in that instant that I realized this was the film Man of Steel should've been. I look at Superman in that film, and he talks about his heritage and how on his world, this symbol means hope, and it just rings hollow and I think it is in large part because, frankly? Snyder's Superman is kind of selfish. I get what he's doing. I'm even a fan of his "hero's journey" approach to making the character realistic, but I see Diana, powerful and ruthless, yet compassionate, all at once. The joy she gets from indulging in a simple pleasure like eating ice cream, and I'm struck by how remarkably similar these characters are. For all their differences, the ideals they represent and the manner in which they're represented is remarkably similar. You compare the anguished on her face when the villagers she had previously laughed and danced and drank with the night prior are victims of a gas attack to Superman's "Crap. That happened" look in Batman V Superman and that tells you all you need to know about where Snyder needs to take these characters.

That being said, I really love how well this film meshes, thematically, with Snyder's vision. Bruce Wayne finding the picture was a great framing device, and I really hope they continue to build on the chemistry Affleck and Gadot had in BvS because his arc as a character actually mirrors her experiences with mankind fairly well, and I kind of hope Snyder and Whedon tie her journey in this film in with Batman's growth as a character from BvS. I think back to what Ares said about them being hateful and corrupt and destructive, and Diana's reply of "they're all that and so much more," and I think of Batman.

As hopeful as she is, it's actually a fairly nihilistic film, when you think about it. She kills the God Of War, thinking she saved humanity, and then you take one look at a history book and Hitler, and the countless conflicts that have ensued since "The War to End All Wars," and you reconcile that with her appearance in BvS, having gone off the grid for 100 years, and you realize that he was right all along. He might have been giving them a little nudge here and there, but people were to blame for those conflicts, not him, and you're sort of left with the same themes that BvS extolled; ideas of imperfect humanity, of men becoming monsters, and of men being just as capable of goodness. I don't know. I don't want to get hyped for Justice League, but considering that I was a fan of Snyder's vision beforehand, and how well executed this was, I'm getting more and more optimistic that Snyder can realize, at the very least, Superman, to the degree that Diana was here.

Anyway, I apologize for ranting. It's late.:lol

I thank you for that thoughtful review. You basically summed up everything I would have said about it, better than I could. I didn't go into this movie with blind love for it simply because it represented female empowerment. Was it the best movie I've ever seen? Not by a long shot, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Believe me, early indications that Gadot was going to be playing WW for DC had me reeling, and I very much thought she couldn't possibly be 'my' WW, not the way I'd grown up to
envision her. But giving her this 2+ hour vehicle to embody the role solidified a real shift for me in that train of thought. I found her absolutely charming and loved the naivety balanced with the warrior. If I had one criticism of the film, I did think that Ares wasn't a very compelling (or menacing) villain (Dr. Poison could have featured more prominently), but the movie as a whole was a good one.

Somewhere within the last few minutes of the final scenes, I heard a gasp from a little girl about 10-12 seats down my row, followed by a whispered 'That was AWESOME' and I got a little tingle.
 
After Thanos and Darkseid are defeated I really think it's time for a superhero movie hiatus or at the very least a 50% reduction in output.

At least Marvel had a great run. :lol

DC is kind of blowing their wad early by having their heroes fighting Darkseid clones in their first outings.

Zod, Doomsday and Ares combined means i've already seen Darkseid lite.

I still think they should've done the crime syndicate to set themselves apart. Just imagine people being pissed at the movie opening with Thomas, Martha, and Bruce walking down the alleyway thinking "here we go again," until all of a sudden, all three of them get shot, and, there, standing behind them the whole time, revealed as their bodies hit the ground, is Thomas Wayne Jr., who proceeds to walk right over them and get in the car with Alfred.
 
Good you're here lol
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Great thoughtful review batfan I enjoyed reading it even though I don't feel the same way about the movie as you do although I do agree with certain aspects of what you and kara wrote regarding the larger narrative at play. [/FONT]
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Same useless side characters as FA fighting a war.
How is the tone it seems very similar to a first avenger or even more so typical marvel movies , humor maybe even to much humor weak villains you know the typical formula.

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DC guy??? but Spidey is my fave....

1. Spidey
2. Swamp Thing
3. Miracleman
4. Conan
5. Juggernaut

But yea I lean towards DC. Challenge of the Superfriends >*
I guess I assumed that because you are always into Vertigo stuff. But I'm also into a mix of Marvel and DC (and to a lesser extent, some indie stuff).

For those who have seen is it basically Captain america the first avenger or is it more saving private ryan
Nothing like Private Ryan. This is a comic book fantasy, and as I posted before, pretty by the numbers in a certain respect.

Same useless side characters as FA fighting a war.
This I agree with. Though Spud > Bucky, Dum Dum Dugan, or whomever else.

Good you're here lol
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Great thoughtful review batfan I enjoyed reading it even though I don't feel the same way about the movie as you do although I do agree with certain aspects of what you and kara wrote regarding the larger narrative at play. [/FONT]
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It doesn't improve my opinion regarding the handling of Superman in any way. I don't know that he should have been treated the same way his was here, but tonally, this was certainly much more in line with what a Superman film should be IMO.
 
How is the tone it seems very similar to a first avenger or even more so typical marvel movies , humor maybe even to much humor weak villains you know the typical formula.

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It handles themes in a slightly more serious manner.
 
I'm checking this out tonight. Can't wait to see what all the talk is about. I did see Kevin Smith's review and in it he said that the director wanted Gadot to have a different accent because she's from Israel but she couldn't do it so all the other amazons had to change their accent to match hers. That says a lot about Gadot's acting right there.
 
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