Wonder Woman - June 2, 2017

[jye4ever]

She had Cannibal Campout level of acting.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Oh God, Jye's already changing his mind on this movie too. Already complimenting its acting.

 

[karamazov80]

Seems like she had that same accent in Batman V. Superman. Were they planning to make that change after this movie started shooting? I wouldn't go too hard on her for having an accent she couldn't get over. Some well respected actors have had pretty bad, alternate accents for example (Michael Caine and Brad Pitt come to mind). Arnold has never had a movie without an accent, but you don't get real complaints about it. He gets the job done.

 

[batfan08]

Good you're here lol
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]After seeing how WW arc was treated does Snyder's handling of Superman now make sense and fans had it wrong all along?[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Or should Superman have been treated the same as WW?[/FONT][/FONT]
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See, my thing with Snyder's Superman is I get it. I know what he was going for, I know what he was trying to, and I'm still hoping that he can pull it around in Justice League, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't have preferred his treatment of Superman be more akin to how Wonder Woman was presented here. The world was still very dark and grounded outside the confines of Themyscira, she was still in a reality, with grave situations and cruelty and malice, but she presented that reality with something to aspire to.

When those men in the trenches see her go out into the Battlefield, and then they start rushing it, I'm thinking in the back of my head "that's Wonder Woman, and that's Superman." A symbol of hope. And I think Snyder's trying to build to that, but there's so much angst and confusion around Superman's perception of himself that you can't really embrace it. And all the slow mo, allegorical Christlike imagery just compounds onto the weirdness.

 

[chewblacca]

Seems like she had that same accent in Batman V. Superman. Were they planning to make that change after this movie started shooting? I wouldn't go too hard on her for having an accent she couldn't get over. Some well respected actors have had pretty bad, alternate accents for example (Michael Caine and Brad Pitt come to mind). Arnold has never had a movie without an accent, but you don't get real complaints about it. He gets the job done.

Yeah, but how much did she say in BvS? Barely anything. You can't compare Arnold to anyone. With him you know what your getting. He's pretty much the same no matter what role he plays. No matter what movie he's in the next line could be "GET TO THE CHOPPAH!!!" And it would fit.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[karamazov80]

But I think there's a fair comparison with a super hero character like this. It's more about the look, the charisma, the vibe, the attitude, and the ability to be believable in that regard than it is getting an accent right, or the finer points of acting in general. You don't need method acting Deniro in these situations. Now, this stuff would matter more for some characters that rely more on their social skills, intelligence, and subtlety. Batman for example. But for a colorful, ass kicking, inspirational super hero? Could you think of a better actor to model yourself on than Arnold? For that reason, the Rock is a perfect choice to play a super hero hero (and make no mistake--Black Adam will be a hero since Rock is portraying him ).

Of course, all things held constant, getting a better actor is preferable than getting a worse actor. But I don't think the accent speaks to much of anything regarding Gadot's ability to pull this character off.

 

[Wor-Gar]

But I think there's a fair comparison with a super hero character like this. It's more about the look, the charisma, the vibe, the attitude, and the ability to be believable in that regard than it is getting an accent right, or the finer points of acting in general. You don't need method acting Deniro in these situations. Now, this stuff would matter more for some characters that rely more on their social skills, intelligence, and subtlety. Batman for example. But for a colorful, ass kicking, inspirational super hero? Could you think of a better actor to model yourself on than Arnold? For that reason, the Rock is a perfect choice to play a super hero hero (and make no mistake--Black Adam will be a hero since Rock is portraying him ).

Of course, all things held constant, getting a better actor is preferable than getting a worse actor. But I don't think the accent speaks to much of anything regarding Gadot's ability to pull this character off.

This is all true. But even at moderate acting ability levels, there is good and bad.

Let's take average actors in their day: Mark Hamill worked, where Hayden Christiansen didn't.



And let's not get into the "green room" thing that there was nothing to act against. Hayden had actors around him, the same director, and a crazy weird world that he understood better than Hamill did in his day (since Hamill came from a time without Star Wars entirely).

 

[chewblacca]

This is all true. But even at moderate acting ability levels, there is good and bad.

Let's take average actors in their day: Mark Hamill worked, where Hayden Christiansen didn't.



And let's not get into the "green room" thing that there was nothing to act against. Hayden had actors around him, the same director, and a crazy weird world that he understood better than Hamill did in his day (since Hamill came from a time without Star Wars entirely).

Yeah, but. . . Ok, I got nothing.

 

[karamazov80]

Casting the right person matters, as well. Some may not have a lot of range, but may have a natural personality type that lines up better with a character than someone else. Christopher Walken for example. He is good in a lot of his work, in some of it it comes off as a bit hokey. But he's pretty much the same every time, whether it's the Dead Zone, True Romance, Batman Returns, or Wayne's World.

 

[geekjosh]

Pre-ordered the 4K steelbook.

Going again this Saturday with the GF.

 

[batfan08]

For me, I would only have a problem if the accent was impeding the performance. I didn't see that, at all. Her performance was nuanced and she embodied Wonder Woman. There was an innocence to Diana, but never at the expense of her competence. She was incredibly charming, throughout, but she felt real. There were so many dimensions to her, and you knew she was a hero. She could go from being a ruthless and formidable opponent in the heat of battle to being a compassionate and horrified outsider in the wake of all that destruction. I didn't find any problems with her acting; on the contrary, I thought she did an incredible job.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Casting the right person matters, as well. Some may not have a lot of range, but may have a natural personality type that lines up better with a character than someone else. Christopher Walken for example. He is good in a lot of his work, in some of it it comes off as a bit hokey. But he's pretty much the same every time, whether it's the Dead Zone, True Romance, Batman Returns, or Wayne's World.

That's true. Many actors are really nothing more than 'character types' we all like -- Cary Grant, Bogart, Sean Connery, Harrison Ford -- they are all pretty much the same. And we want then that way.

If you really think about it, there are very few Daniel Day Lewis' or Meryl Streeps around -- actors that just disappear into the role. Most actors cover a 'type'... an archetype. And Hollywood usually pushes certain types for that reason.

 

[guyver1]

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/I5SkDs550hM​

This is a interesting video on YouTube

There are spoilers..so​

 

[Mr. Green]

Just seen this movie. It's good; it's great!

Steve Trevor is good enough but there is a couple thing wrong. He got knock in the back or back of his head, close range by a rifle, and he just continue to fight? He said, "Be cool", while in a vehicle and trying to infiltrate a castle, in old English? Isn't cool not invented yet?
Gadot is fine as WW. She still got skinny legs in one of the fighting scene but not much noticeable. Her acting is as bad or good as those amazon, so she is fine. At least they didn't CGI her to look crazy tall like in BVS's end of fighting scene.
The storyline went smoothly.
The WW theme song/sound isn't as bad or strong as those advertising made it out to be.

Give it 8.5/10 or 9/10.

 

[ironwez20]

Just seen this movie. It's good; it's great!

Steve Trevor is good enough but there is a couple thing wrong. He got knock in the back or back of his head, close range by a rifle, and he just continue to fight? He said, "Be cool", while in a vehicle and trying to infiltrate a castle, in old English? Isn't cool not invented yet?
Gadot is fine as WW. She still got skinny legs in one of the fighting scene but not much noticeable. Her acting is as bad or good as those amazon, so she is fine. At least they didn't CGI her to look crazy tall like in BVS's end of fighting scene.
The storyline went smoothly.
The WW theme song/sound isn't as bad or strong as those advertising made it out to be.

Give it 8.5/10 or 9/10.

You should of said " mr. green give it 8.5/10 or 9/10 " lol I like that third person talk.

 

[Mr. Green]

Gotcha, The Green One am pleased.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[ironwez20]

Gotcha, The Green One am pleased.

Yay!!!!

 

[jye4ever]

General Ludendorff

Spoiler

is going to be a major problem in this movie when it comes to repeat viewings.

They created a character that is a waste of time to watch.

His super soldier snorting now makes even less sense lol.

This movie just keeps falling apart more and more.