Wonder Woman - June 2, 2017

[jye4ever]

Don't forget "You killed or hurt my family" motivations.

Lets see:

IM2: Stark senior hurt Vanko senior
CW: WS killed Stark's parents / Avengers killed Zemo's family and lady's son / Zemo killed Panther's father
GOTG2: Ego killed Starlord's mother

Geez CW alone is crazy lol

 

[loki2371]

I'm not sure anyone has ever criticized for "too much development". So sure, bring it on.

Most MCU villains are just an after-thought; a necessary piece of the formula that is simply plugged into the structure: some ancient evil or some demented junior scientist who wants to be taken seriously. That's the extent of the Villain Lexicon.

Development takes time. We'd have like 3+ hour movies for proper villain development since there's so many different plot threads going on. I don't think they are an after thought. They are a necessary piece to the story. Who wants to watch a super hero movie when for 2 hours they just save and talk to regular people and government types. There has to be some sort of threat, otherwise what's the point?

The DCEU villains have sucked so far too. Lex sucked and Doomsday sucked in BvS, Joker, Enchantress and other thing sucked in SS, Ares sucked in WW... Zod in MOS is the only decent villain so far for DC, and even he was meh, but he was the most fleshed out..

 

[Wor-Gar]

Development takes time. We'd have like 3+ hour movies for proper villain development.

That's not necessarily true. The time being spent with, say Ultron, is simply wasted. No more time -- you know me, none of these epics should be over 1:55 -- just use the time given more wisely, like they did with Red Skull. (again, he's not the best villain, but he was developed the best and had the best 'toys')

Hell, the silly Pirates movies manage to get great villains mostly (3 out of 4 villains, as movie 2+3 was the same villain), and who are well-developed.

Here's an easy example of wasted time: a villain's opening scene should be easily memorable. Can you remember any MCU villain's opening scene? (without google)

 

[Mr. Green]

Looks like USPC is capitalizing on WW with their stamps:

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Meh..

 

[Wor-Gar]

Is it misogynist to lick that stamp...?

 

[loki2371]

That's not necessarily true. The time being spent with, say Ultron, is simply wasted. No more time -- you know me, none of these epics should be over 1:55 -- just use the time given more wisely, like they did with Red Skull. (again, he's not the best villain, but he was developed the best and had the best 'toys')

Hell, the silly Pirates movies manage to get great villains mostly (3 out of 4 villains, as movie 2+3 was the same villain), and who are well-developed.

Here's an easy example of wasted time: a villain's opening scene should be easily memorable. Can you remember any MCU villain's opening scene? (without google)

The problem most times too is there are so many characters (heroes) that all need ample screen time. The problem with Ultron is they had to develop Wanda and Pietro more than Ultron. Remember they were villains 1st too. They had to have their whole story which took precedence over Ultron. In Cap 1st Avenger it was Cap vs Red Skull. that's it. They didn't have to go into Bucky's backstory, The Howling Commando's back story, hell we knew nothing about Agent Carter or Howard Stark either. Ultron's opening scene and awakening was cool. You can't say that wasn't memorable with him becoming aware, trying to destroy Jarvis, then attacking the Avengers. It was what followed that was meh. Not his intro.

And the pirate movies same thing. I couldn't name one character other than Sparrow, Davey Jones, Captain Barbossa. That's all I remember from those movies, because that's all they focused on. I don't even remember Keira Knightly or Orlando Bloom's characters names either. I'd have to look those up.

 

[crows]

Is it misogynist to lick that stamp...?

yes, just spit on it instead

 

[loki2371]

Is it misogynist to lick that stamp...?

depends where your licking..

 

[ZaCHw117]

That's not necessarily true. The time being spent with, say Ultron, is simply wasted. No more time -- you know me, none of these epics should be over 1:55 -- just use the time given more wisely, like they did with Red Skull. (again, he's not the best villain, but he was developed the best and had the best 'toys')

Hell, the silly Pirates movies manage to get great villains mostly (3 out of 4 villains, as movie 2+3 was the same villain), and who are well-developed.

Here's an easy example of wasted time: a villain's opening scene should be easily memorable. Can you remember any MCU villain's opening scene? (without google)

Crossbones, but then he died 2 minutes later.

If thanos doesn't end up being iconic, then I give up hope on its characters.

Hell, the scene in SS where we first meet Joker in arkham in SS has probably been the best villain intro in the last 5 years... and that's not saying much.

 

[ZaCHw117]

And the pirate movies same thing. I couldn't name one character other than Sparrow, Davey Jones, Captain Barbossa. That's all I remember from those movies, because that's all they focused on. I don't even remember Keira Knightly or Orlando Bloom's characters names either. I'd have to look those up.

But you just named 2 of the 4 villains from POTC?

POTC>MCU

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Is it misogynist to lick that stamp...?

+1

 

[loki2371]

But you just named 2 of the 4 villains from POTC?

POTC>MCU

.... True, but I can still name all the villains from the MCU movies too, good or bad.

 

[ZaCHw117]

.... True, but I can still name all the villains from the MCU movies too, good or bad.

 

[Chakor]

POTC>MCU

Agreed. I love Avengers 1, but love Pirates 1 and 2 more.

 

[jye4ever]

Jason Voorhees is a well known famous movie villain and every movie of his sucks, only the original F13th is good and his mother was the killer in that one lol

 

[ZaCHw117]

Jason is for school shooters and neo-nazis.

 

[jye4ever]

You should see the fans that contact me about Cannibal Campout yikes lol

 

[RIDDICK]

Ares gets lost in the long line of forgettable barbarian types from comic movies: Ares, Ronin, Malekith... I get them all mixed up visually.

 

[ZaCHw117]

how do you mix up a purple guy and ares?