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Great Post. This should've been a video!
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Josh-A-Tron
Super Freak
Oh god really...
Here's some quick numbers for people to chew on
The estimated total sales for the top 300 comics by Direct sales was 6,495,749 units for the month of January 2014.
The top selling comic for DC comics "Batman (2011)" #27 with an estimated 115,492 units.
Wonder Woman #27 was ranked 59th with 32,035 units.
Now remember these are direct sales via Diamond Comics and does not tabulate Digital Downloads, Newsstand Sales or Direct to Consumer sales(mail subscription)
Now am I saying all Thirty Two Thousand Direct sales Wonder Woman readers can afford or will buy a $400 Wonder Woman statue, no, but what I am saying is there's at least 32,000 people out there that Might buy one. So 9500 total statues is a lot? Nah not really and hell no on the Batman front. Just remember, you've got Comic movies grossing over a billion dollars in box office, licensing and merchandising is through the roof. And all this Comic statue collecting stems from comic collecting which with the movie boom is drawing in new people by the truck load. So those people that think 10000 statues is a high ES, be aware, that's nothing compared to what it could be.
Here's some quick numbers for people to chew on
The estimated total sales for the top 300 comics by Direct sales was 6,495,749 units for the month of January 2014.
The top selling comic for DC comics "Batman (2011)" #27 with an estimated 115,492 units.
Wonder Woman #27 was ranked 59th with 32,035 units.
Now remember these are direct sales via Diamond Comics and does not tabulate Digital Downloads, Newsstand Sales or Direct to Consumer sales(mail subscription)
Now am I saying all Thirty Two Thousand Direct sales Wonder Woman readers can afford or will buy a $400 Wonder Woman statue, no, but what I am saying is there's at least 32,000 people out there that Might buy one. So 9500 total statues is a lot? Nah not really and hell no on the Batman front. Just remember, you've got Comic movies grossing over a billion dollars in box office, licensing and merchandising is through the roof. And all this Comic statue collecting stems from comic collecting which with the movie boom is drawing in new people by the truck load. So those people that think 10000 statues is a high ES, be aware, that's nothing compared to what it could be.
Tavegg
Super Freak
I like it. Especially the red herring part.
Great Post. This should've been a video!
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Lol what was so great about it. He contradicted himself twice. First he says the number of consumers available is irrelevant and then says more people buy them now then when doom pf was released. The rest of it was about es and complaining about *****es *****ing.. ES is increasing and so is price because more people are entering the market every year and inflation. The more people it reaches the more people who will buy the product. Its pretty simple. I do agree though that *****ing about ES is stupid.
People can only buy items that they know about. Someone can have the most useful product in the world but if nobody knows about it then it won't sell well.
Just wanted to add that's just comic readers. I don't read comics but love the animated and live action movies. If SSC just added a preview or small advertisement before the video or even in the theaters, the number of consumers would enivitably increase.
mistermark
Super Freak
Josh, I admire your ability to put up good insight in people with differing points of view, however, I choose to disagree considering Batman PF is now really going on two years in stock and is nowhere near selling out. They made 9500 of those and qc wasn't up to par and the Batman PF is still there. So is Superman still in stock at 7500 es. Collecting statues is a small niche market but I don't want to berate those that don't care about ES. I really just feel Sideshow would do different releases of the same character with a smaller es for each. Like 7500 max and I wouldn't complain. No other company has done full size statues at this high es. Sideshow calls their product "limited edition" but it really is just a marketing gimmick. Anyhoo, happy collecting all. Just my two cents. I always freak when I see a ridiculous es. I passed on Bats because of it, but Supes ES was reasonable so I bought him. I'm passing on WW now too.
Josh-A-Tron
Super Freak
Remember man, it's been on PO for two years. He just shipped in January and people are still waiting in EX's, I doubt shops have had there regs orders completely filled yet.
brucecamblzchin
Waitlist 4 lyfe
I said the argument that 'the ES is low when compared to the number of people on the planet' is irrelevant. People here have seriously made the argument 'look its 9000 people out of 6 billion on the planet who have one.'
ES is entirely irrelevant to me, if its a PF, mixed media and a character I dig I'll get the fig and the ES is just a couple of numbers on the base. For some people its a big deal and that's cool too.
brucecamblzchin
Waitlist 4 lyfe
so 7500 is the magic number? If ES is a big deal you should've been on the Master Chief EX PF, he was 300.
brucecamblzchin
Waitlist 4 lyfe
Wow, the ES argument is endless eh... Most popular topic
Who told you to discuss ES?
I didn't tell you to discuss ES.
You people with the ES.
It never ends.
Tbolt
Super Freak
This. ^^^^^
Now were also extrapolating 30k comics sold (never mind how many went to shops that have yet to find a buyer) and thinking that market for a $2.99-3.99 product is ripe for $400 purchasers...I don't think anyone working at SS even believes that!
IMO, SS is trying to sell a bunch of these really popular characters to people they know won't collect, but may buy 1 or 2 of their favorites. That's where the lines get blurred on 'collectible'. My earlier point that as a collector your ok on the EX, was that as someone who buys multiple pieces, your ok paying full retail to at least get your money back if you have to sell (yes, I know nobody ever sells anything, this never happens). However if you missed the EX, then waiting for a deal (like the $300 Batman Reg the WB shop had) is the way to go if your making an informed decision about your 'collection'. Why so many people get pissed that anyone points this out is beyond me? Also it doesn't really matter that all the Batmans haven't shipped, there haven't been enough orders two years in to even get a low quantity warning. Maybe they should have run an add in those 115k Detective comics...(sarcasm)
ETA: when I started this hobby up, I thought even 10k seemed like a drop in the bucket too, only after following this for awhile, I have seen just how small the community of potential buyers are. Great for everyone if SS can grow that, but I think prices are rising too fast for that to ever be the case.
csi
Super Freak
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Don't forget to add the number of Justice League comics in there. I never bought a Wonder Woman comic in my life, but bought tons of JLA and Justice League comics and have her on PO.
If anything is irrelevant it's probably this post
Ahh the classic "your rational is stupid, but what I think makes more sense" argument
Not real sure why you equate being a collector to being able to get your money back on a statue or not paying retail for something. And as to Josh's point with the number of comics sold you are quite over simplifying the point. He was mere pointing out some statistics that sheds a little light on how many fans of the characters there are out there, not how many people can or will actually buy the statue. If you look at the number of comic fans, people that loved the movies and cartoons, I would have to believe there is a large number of people who have the disposable income and interest in buying one of these statues. At the end of the day who cares how many Sideshow has sold or how many they have sitting left in the warehouse. All that I care about is that I have on sitting on my shelves at home and it looks damn great. And I really couldn't care less if you think I'm a real collector or not because some of the statues I own have large edition sizes and/or are still available for sale.
brucecamblzchin
Waitlist 4 lyfe
I wrote the definitive post on ES today csi. The debate is over.
Josh-A-Tron
Super Freak
You do realize that Diamond/DC Allows returns from shops on unsold comics? And that returns do not count towards the total number sold? It's part of their program with comic shops. If a shop feels it over ordered it can return the comics to get a partial refund on the order for the month.
But that has nothing to do with my point. As CSI pointed the statistics I gave are to show how many people there are that like the character, and I even said this doesn't show a total number of buyers, of course you glossed over that fact because you were too busy trying to sound smart.
Facts are facts, There has been no Feature Film for Wonder Woman, which means fans of the character can only come from a hand full of places. The Few Cartoons she's been in, one live action TV show from the 70's and Comics. I'm willing to bet the majority of people willing to lay down $400 for her have probably read comics over the other two sources as they are fewer in number than substantial amount of comics she's been in, so your argument of a "2.99/3.99 market" is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the price of the object bought, but the number of people who love the character and the source in which they came to know her.
Tbolt
Super Freak
I wrote the definitive post on ES today csi. The debate is over.
CSI sounds pissed. He thinks someone is questioning his collector street cred. Thought I was just offering advice that if you need a reg for your 'collection' to wait and not pay retail. But I'm an ass, WTH do I know.
csi
Super Freak
Tbolt
Super Freak
Then it's a poor example to bring in how many comic books are sold in relation to how many people are big enough fans to spend $400 on a statue. You are trying to sound smart/sanctimonious by bringing in the return aspect. I know how it works. But many shops order a certain amount of stock to keep around as back issues. They don't return everything ( nor are all books eligible). Hence why that number doesn't represent 1 to 1 anyway (the only point I was making)
I dont even know why we are arguing about this. Your trying score points on what you think I said, versus what I meant, and the entire conversation is borderline idiotic anyway, which has probably got CSI nodding his head as to why I am engaging in it.
I'm not bothered by the ES, but I would be if paying retail for a Reg.
Based on Batman still being plentiful, I doubt how many they really needed to make to meet demand, but dont really care. I suspect these pieces are abnormal because they want them to be around a good long while for a variety of reasons (not all of which are bad).
Thorne
Super Freak
Frankly, I could not care less about ES. If I like it and I want it, I get it. Pretty simple formula, huh?
These days, however, when it comes to Sideshow, I just ask one little question about the item:
"Does it have acrylic eyes?"
If not, DEALBREAKER!!!
These days, however, when it comes to Sideshow, I just ask one little question about the item:
"Does it have acrylic eyes?"
If not, DEALBREAKER!!!
Because he's right. What he referred to the first time was about the argument that "there are +6 billion ppl on the earth and only (add number here) statues made". That is a stupid argument period. However he's also right as there are an increased number of buyers from say ten years ago compared to now and increased ES is a direct effect of it (plus certain licensor agreements). Josh's argument is good too because he uses actual comic book fans, direct buyers and the estimated, yet plausible ratio to illustrate further. In the end like many others have already stated, if you love the character, the sculpt and can't be without it keep it. Otherwise don't buy it. Simple no?
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