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No, it was not that at all.

Guess this part threw me off:

They are selling "collectibles" where part of their appeal is how limited they are. Most statues don't rise that much, many hover around retail and some even go down in value. It depends on many factors, ES is just one of many.

Makes it sound like you thought limited ES and rising value is why people collect these statues. However since that's not the case I retract my statements. Although that begs the question, if it's not your point, who cares how many remakes they make of a statue, as long as everyone who wants one gets one, why shouldn't everyone be happy :dunno

I collect Batman stuff, some of it is worth a lot, some not so much. Some is limited, some hundreds of thousands made. No matter how you look at it, I am still "collecting" Batman stuff, and extremely happy with my collection. Other collector's mileage may vary.
 
No, I just said it plays a part. I don't care for remakes as it is not something new. It also hurts after you are able to scrape together a big dollar amount for an older piece only to see it remade, not "everyone" happy in that scenario is all I meant.
 
I don't really feel like the ES of the EX at least is really a big deal. I assume people only care for value increase, but look at the Batman EX. There were 2000 made and I've seen it sell for double retail.
 
An ES of 9000 isnt **** when u consider the ES of the human race. The problem is SSC does a piss poor job marketing their product to the masses. You could grab 10 random people in a shopping mall or collectible comic store, 9 out of 10 of them have never heard of ssc let alone know where to buy one of their products. Comic book stores in may area don't carry ssc products. Can you imagine how many more consumers out there would buy these products if they knew where to buy them and that they even existed in the first place. Its ironic that an ES of 9000 is considered alot because in reality it isn't and if these products were marketed properly and were more readily available/excessible we would be discussing how ****ing hard it is get them, wishing the ES was way larger.

Especially with the superhero movie craze going mainstream. Everyone likes superhero **** now
 
Not everyone has the spare funds or room to display these things though, even if SS decided to do a heavy marketing campaign.
 
At their old prices they would definitely sell. The Mystique PF is what I think is a great statue. I believe it was $250. $360 being the lowest nowadays is not really a fair price. If they did sell these in every comic shop right there boxed up and ready to buy and take home. They'd sell quite a bit I think. This Wonder Woman and $299 the comic shop would sell at least 1-3 a month I think. Times that by every comic shop in the world. It'd be a lot more sales and a bigger company. Sure it'd lose it's exclusivity but everyone would be getting great statues.
 
An ES of 9000 isnt **** when u consider the ES of the human race. The problem is SSC does a piss poor job marketing their product to the masses.

Their products obviously aren't for the masses.. like you said, an ES of 9000 is a drop in the bucket.

Comic book stores in may area don't carry ssc products. Can you imagine how many more consumers out there would buy these products if they knew where to buy them and that they even existed in the first place.

I believe anyone willing to spend $400 on a comic book statue, already knows Sideshow exists; research and browsing is done almost exclusively on the internet these days.

Within the first month of me getting into comics I found Sideshow, and that was a few years before I even started my collection.

Especially with the superhero movie craze going mainstream. Everyone likes superhero **** now

People who casually enjoy superhero movies aren't going to send Sideshow money. :lol
 
That makes it ok? Would just rather see something new is all.

people tend to forget is that this is a business first and foremost. SS and any other company out there doesn't care about aftermarket value of their product. They already had the molds and packaging made. The initial ex and reg sold out quickly. green ivy was a great business move for SS. Why would they make a brand new ivy when we just got one? Whats wrong with that? Don't lime it then don't buy it. Upset that your exclusive may be devalued? Invest in the market instead of statues.

This isn't by any means an attack. I just think its rather silly to be upset with a company for maximizing their profits. How else would they stay in business if they didn't make a profit? They have so much coming out compared to previous years which gives us as collectors so many different options we didn't have before. I like that so if making a green blue and red ivy helps them drive more revenue for future projects I'm all for it
 
An ES of 9000 isnt **** when u consider the ES of the human race. The problem is SSC does a piss poor job marketing their product to the masses. You could grab 10 random people in a shopping mall or collectible comic store, 9 out of 10 of them have never heard of ssc let alone know where to buy one of their products. Comic book stores in may area don't carry ssc products. Can you imagine how many more consumers out there would buy these products if they knew where to buy them and that they even existed in the first place. Its ironic that an ES of 9000 is considered alot because in reality it isn't and if these products were marketed properly and were more readily available/excessible we would be discussing how ****ing hard it is get them, wishing the ES was way larger.

Especially with the superhero movie craze going mainstream. Everyone likes superhero **** now

I think a better measure is among the people who could actually buy these things, which is determined by income and other demographics. In the long run 9000 of the wrong character could be detrimental to moving that character if the market just doesn't support the sale of 9000. The only real concern of a collectibles company is meeting some given level of demand while keeping limited enough to keep customers that sustain the business. Which it seems despite a few collectors, SS is doing.

But I feel you on not knowing about SSC. I've been collecting comics since my childhood and didn't find out about SSC until after graduating college, partly because my comic shop never carried SS. But they carried Bowen, so a Bowen ended up being my 1st statue because it was all I knew. I though Bowen was the end all be all of statues until 2011. I'm not sure how I stumbled across an ad for the Black Panther PF one day but that's how I discovered SS.

At their old prices they would definitely sell. The Mystique PF is what I think is a great statue. I believe it was $250. $360 being the lowest nowadays is not really a fair price. If they did sell these in every comic shop right there boxed up and ready to buy and take home. They'd sell quite a bit I think. This Wonder Woman and $299 the comic shop would sell at least 1-3 a month I think. Times that by every comic shop in the world. It'd be a lot more sales and a bigger company. Sure it'd lose it's exclusivity but everyone would be getting great statues.

If statues were at those old prices but less limited I'd be ok with that. Wonder Woman would be $250-$300, but there'd be way more than 9000 total ES.

But it would change collecting. Those concerned with after market value would probably quit because they wouldn't be able to turn a profit probably at any point. You would really only be collecting if you like the character and/or sculpt, not for any potential value increase whatsoever. It would definitely seal the deal on who collects and why.

If anything it would make the older pieces keep their value...? Would it? I could be wrong but has it been proven yet with all of the revisits now that the original versions still command big bucks? Hulk PF, Thor, Cap? At of the end of the day that 9th Cap PF could be widely available and more affordable but there will always be those who want that older, quality highly limited original piece that less people have and will pay for it. It's just like old baseball cards, the 1st printing of an old important comic, or maintained vintage cars. There's always value in the older piece. Damn I really sidetracked here, lol.
 
The old ES debate is back!

The argument that 'There are 6 billion humans on the planet so the ES is pretty small in comparison' is a freaking red herring and irrelevant.

SS are up front about the fact that the ES is to be determined, no one has been misled. We know they gauge the orders they get over time and try to estimate an ES that will sell well and make sure they capture a good slice of the 'after-market' value. There is a lot more people interested in them than when they were releasing the Dr Doom PF etc etc and they can sell a lot more figs.

If you would like to know the ES of a fig before you order then you should wait until its released before you order.

If you complain because you missed a PO coz you were waiting for the ES announcement that is the risk you took. Dont be a little *****.

If you complain coz you POd and are now not happy with the ES
(or some guy on the forum said this fig sucks now coz of the ES and so now you think it sucks coz you dont have an independent thought)
that is again the risk you took. Cancel it. Dont be a little *****.
 
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