I have told you, repeatedly, not to speak to me. You have repeatedly ignored my request, regardless of the trouble it has caused.
Your contribution to this thread has been nothing but irrational, unfounded nonsense, including an egregious insult at one of the greatest political thinkers in history. Would you care to take that same shot at Mohammed?
In the meantime, I will discuss whatever the hell I like, wherever I like, thanks. Talk to someone else. I'm sure they'll be happy to entertain your totalitarian preening.
Well, I saw a show on the Learning channel that spoke of a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to one of his friends saying that he was having a sexual relationship with a 14 year old. According to today's U.S.laws, that makes him a pedophile. We know that he was a slave-owner and that he agreed to free his slaves AFTER he was dead. That is very common knowledge. To be fair to him, many people owned slaves at that time. (If they were rich, that is) and it was a socially acceptable practice. (especially if if you weren't black)
Also, I believe that you could marry a 12 year old even a hundred or more years later and I also hear that 14 is the age of consent in Canada. As far as that goes, he is in the clear.
But, when Sally Hemings wanted her freedom when she was in France with him, he didn't want her to be free, and instead wanted to continue having sex with her on a regular basis, so he made a deal with her that if she would return to the U.S. with him, her children would be freed at 21 years of age, as I recall. I find this to radically contradict his reputation as a so called humanitarian. He was weak willed as far as standing up for what was right when it cost him his conveniences and creature comforts. on a personal level.
You know who is the man as far as presidents of integrity are concerned? Abraham Lincoln is the MAN. He is the president by which all others are measured.
Compared to Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson has very little moral integrity.
Abraham Lincoln is my favorite, and is the one of the few presidents I actually would trust.
I couldn't trust the word of a man who claimed to be a humanitarian on the one hand, and wouldn't free his slaves until he was dead on the other, and on top of that, basically used one as his own sexual concubine. That's the way it really was with him. If you can't see past the shiny nickels and the big monuments of him well enough to really see the man's true moral character, then I really don't know what to tell you.
However, this does not change the fact that by today's standards, his actions would make him a morally reprehensible slave owner and a pedophile. Surely you can be objective enough to see that.
I am a big fan of his technological innovations like his pantograph, his simultaneously operating doors, and in particular, the special oval room he made that bounced sound off of one end and sent it to another even so a whisper could be heard as if the person was speaking right into your ear, even though they were about 50 feet away.
As far as Thomas Jefferson's POLITICAL thinking is concerned, that is a different subject. He did write some excellent legislation. He just had some considerable moral failings as a man. If Mohammad had any serious flaws that were publicly known, I would not hesitate to mention them. I am an equal opportunity critic.
My statements about the topic of this thread are not irrational or unfounded, only unpopular in the mainstream, which is influenced by those who lobby for the drug companies , which goes to the heart of the topic of the thread.
