Would the pharmaceutical industry conceal a cure?

[Devil_666]

That's not true. The China Project does. It is the Grand Prix of epidemiological studies.

And that study was widely disputed and NONE of the data that was compiled could be described as "definitive". So not even sure why you brought it up!? Reaching?

 

[Blackthornone]

In other words, exactly what I said: No statistic exists that definitively proves that changing your diet, eating healthy, eating only natural foods, using natural/herbal remedies instead of man-made meds prevents and/or cures any major diseases. It's all speculation. Period.

That is the rationalization used by people who don't want to change their diets and want to eat whatever they feel like and refute any evidence that changing their diets is beneficial.

The Meat and dairy industries depend on this attitude, which they foster through their four food groups and food pyramid indoctrination in schools, and they lobby politicians and influence the major media to the same ends- to protect their profits. The junk food industry as well as the drug companies are also involved in perpetuating the idea that diet is irrelevant. Try living on just a twinkie diet and see how healthy you become over many years. Either nutrition and what you eat has an effect on your health or it doesn't. If it does, the next question is how, and what things affect the body in what ways, and how much produces what effects in what combinations or proportions.

How bout that twinkie diet, Hmm?

 

[devilof76]

My grandmother is 92, eats whatever she likes, smokes cigarettes, and drinks Manhattans.

But do you seriously think there is anyone who doesn't understand that malnutrition is bad for you?

 

[Devil_666]

That is the rationalization used by people who don't want to change their diets and want to eat whatever they feel like and refute any evidence that changing their diets is beneficial.

No, it's the reality in the real world filled with sane and rational people. You're avoiding the truth. No statistic exists that definitively proves that changing your diet, eating healthy, eating only natural foods, using natural/herbal remedies instead of man-made meds prevents and/or cures any major diseases. That data does not exist. End of story.

Everything else you're talking about is simply smoke and mirrors to avoid that cold hard truth. Feel free to continue the magic show though. I know you tin-foil hat wearing loons enjoy the theatrics and pageantry.

 

[Devil_666]

do you seriously think there is anyone who doesn't understand that malnutrition is bad for you?

That's what cracks me up. First the argument is "healthy eating/living cures disease!!!!1!!!"

And when you point out, actually no there's no proof of that, it turns to "so you think eating unhealthy foods is good for you!?".



Two different arguments.

I already said I don't dispute that eating right, exercise, etc. can make you healthier as far as basic stuff like lowering cholesterol, reducing your risk of health related problems (stroke, heart attack).

That's not even in dispute. What IS in dispute is the notion that all that can magically prevent/cure major disease. Which is laughable.

 

[Blackthornone]

My grandmother is 92, eats whatever she likes, smokes cigarettes, and drinks Manhattans.

You are saying that cigarettes DON'T cause cancer and alcohol doesn't kill brain cells or cause liver failure? there are plenty of people who died as a direct result of smoking or drinking. Look at all of the people that have holes in their necks and cardiovascular disease because of smoking. What you are saying is that those things don't happen, because you say that cigarettes don't cause cancer, period. That is the implication, and it is incorrect.

 

[Blackthornone]

No, it's the reality in the real world filled with sane and rational people. You're avoiding the truth. No statistic exists that definitively proves that changing your diet, eating healthy, eating only natural foods, using natural/herbal remedies instead of man-made meds prevents and/or cures any major diseases. That data does not exist. End of story.

Everything else you're talking about is simply smoke and mirrors to avoid that cold hard truth. Feel free to continue the magic show though. I know you tin-foil hat wearing loons enjoy the theatrics and pageantry.

Anne E Frahm, who healed herself of cancer using diet, is one statistic that is absolutely valid because she absolutely did it. The conventional treatments totally failed. She isn't the only one. There. One statistic for you.

 

[Devil_666]

Classic misdirection.

 

[fosing]

i dont know which is sillier. diet alone heals cancer or those prayers heal cancer shat.

all part of the same compost heap.

 

[devilof76]

That is the implication, and it is incorrect.

No, it is not the implication. The implication is that drinking, smoking and living off tea cookies is not a death sentence.

It can be some times. It is not all of the time. Back to Logic 101 with you.

Anne E Frahm, who healed herself of cancer using diet, is one statistic that is absolutely valid because she absolutely did it. The conventional treatments totally failed. She isn't the only one. There. One statistic for you.

How does she know it was the diet? How do you know?

It's not a statistic. It's a story about a giant white monster strolling through the woods.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Alien

 

[devilof76]

Child eating monster.

You got lucky.

 

[Blackthornone]

No, it is not the implication. The implication is that drinking, smoking and living off tea cookies is not a death sentence.

It can be some times. It is not all of the time. Back to Logic 101 with you.



How does she know it was the diet? How do you know?

It's not a statistic. It's a story about a giant white monster strolling through the woods.

Not everyone who gets shot by bullets dies either. Does that mean that getting shot isn't bad for you? Is ANYTHING really a death sentence then? People have been bitten by poisonous snakes repeatedly without antivenom, which would kill most people. Does that mean that every other person who gets bitten by that type of snake who shows signs of poisoning and dies shortly thereafter didn't die from the venom? Maybe they died from some other unrelated cause by coincidence.
"I see this man has a four inch hole in his head and his brains are missing, but he couldn't have died from that."
"This person smoked for years and has lungs black as soot, but that couldn't possibly have impaired their oxygen absorption or their health."

Your standard of proof is more based upon how conventionally accepted or unaccepted the view is rather than the actual assessment of same.

It is obvious that it was the nutritional program that saved Mrs. Frahm.. Nothing else did. She was getting progressively worse despite all treatments before it. The chemo and the allopathic methods didn't save her.

 

[devilof76]

It's only obvious if you don't think about it. Whatever works for you...

 

[devilof76]

You also might want to consider comparing the number of people who smoke and don't die of cancer/cardio-pulmonary disease, with the number of people who get shot in the head and don't die from getting shot in the head.

 

[Blackthornone]

i dont know which is sillier. diet alone heals cancer or those prayers heal cancer shat.

all part of the same compost heap.

Diet alone can cause cancer, therefore diet alone can help heal it.
Stress also increases susceptibility to disease, like cancer. Negative thoughts cause stress, so since prayer is a positive thought, it stands to reason that prayer could help heal the body of disease.

I understand that people have recovered faster from disease when being prayed for by others even when they did not know they were being prayed for, as in getting better results than typical for that condition.
Some people dismiss as nonsense that which they do not understand. That is nonsense. What is important is whether something works or not. Whether you understand how it works or not is a distant second in importance. Who gives a damn if something works and it shakes the foundations of your or my previous worldview or perception of reality? Perceptions and traditions be damned. I have no patience for beliefs that stand in the way of better results just for the sake of not causing unrest in your definition of reality. If traditions get in the way of the best, throw away those traditions, into the garbage dump. Inferior beliefs which impair the achievement of getting the best results can go screw themselves whether they be mine or anyone elses. I don't let any beliefs stand in the way of improvement.

I haven't heard of any cases in which people did a proper nutritional protocol to heal themselves of disease, key word being proper, and then allopathic medicine healed them without remission, yet there are plenty of cases in which people tried allopathic medicine first, which failed, and then people used a natural protocol, and healed themselves completely, without remission, and lived a full normal lifespan.

So many cases in which people were on deaths door after chemo or radiation which didn't work, and then they used nutrition to heal themselves completely, yet are there any cases in which people did a proper nutritional protocol to heal themselves of disease which didn't and they were on death's door and then chemo or radiation saved them? Far fewer.
At the very least, people who went on nutritional programs like the Gerson Therapy were made more comfortable and were in less pain because of it and dies more comfortable before they died even when it didn't save their lives. I am talking about cases in which all of the pain medication that could be put into a patient didn't stop the pain, but the nutritional regimen DID.

 

[Blackthornone]

You also might want to consider comparing the number of people who smoke and don't die of cancer/cardio-pulmonary disease, with the number of people who get shot in the head and don't die from getting shot in the head.

Smoking is never safe. At the very least, the smoke particles coat the villi of the lungs, which reduces their ability to absorb oxygen. Dr, Otto Warburg won the Nobel prize for discovering that a cell becomes cancerous when it is deprived of 60% of it's oxygen requirements. That was in 1931.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Heinrich_Warburg

 

[devilof76]

My oxygen saturation holds solid at 99% and I smoke a pack a day.

You honestly think that people are so retarded as to not understand the risks of smoking and eating poorly? And this is just because we're unconvinced that diet is a reliable cure for Stage 4 cancer?

 

[Blackthornone]

My oxygen saturation holds solid at 99% and I smoke a pack a day.

You honestly think that people are so retarded as to not understand the risks of smoking and eating poorly? And this is just because we're unconvinced that diet is a reliable cure for Stage 4 cancer?

The problem you have in grasping the fact that a vegan diet with vitamins and supplements can cure disease is that you actually believe that eating a meat based diet full of pesticides, drinking alcohol, consuming dairy which contains IGF-1 which causes cancer cells to grow, is actually normal and does not cause disease, nor is in any way responsible for it.

The idea that a certain type of diet can help a body heal itself of disease implies that there is something wrong and disease causing about some different kind of diet, and that is the REAL reason why you object to the idea that a certain type of diet can help heal the body. You are defending a diet which causes disease and denying that it can, which is why you eat it, and is why so many people get disease, which is because they are in denial of it's true cause.
Of course, that is also the reason why the meat and dairy industry along with the drug companies, and even the doctors themselves and most scientists (since they eat like everybody else) object to the idea that nutrition can help heal the body of disease. It is about protecting their habits, what they eat, their profits and how they derive their wages to support their lives and their families.




The fact is that many people who have stopped eating the Standard American Diet and instead adopted an organic vegan one, along with an intense regimen of juicing and nutritional supplements have healed themselves of cancer without using allopathic medicine, or after allopathic medicine has failed.

You are in a primal psychological mode of defending your diet as it is tantamount to defending your very survival itself, as you attempt to defend the most fundamental foundation of your life on Earth, which is nutrition, the difference between eating and starving to death. What people eat is how they define life itself as well as joy itself on a very primitive, fundamental level.

You are unconvinced because you refuse to accept even the possibility that it could help heal the body of disease.
Admit it, don't you care a lot whether you continue eating the things you like to eat? Don't you want to continue your diet and your habits unabated as part of your definition of what life is and what pleasure is?

I tell you, I don't give a damn whether I have to change my diet to this or that. I NEVER did. I never cared. I only really cared about results. When I learned about veganism therefore, I changed. I don't care how used to it I was or how my life would be changed in any negative way, whether perceived or real in terms of convenience or popularity.

Most people do give a damn. They really care. I don't. The best results are more important than what I eat. I would eat Robocop baby food if it was the optimum. (Which it is not, because it doesn't supply enough pressure to the teeth to exercise their support structure to prevent them from falling out, for one)

Because you care what you eat, because you care what the answer is or what it has to be or what you prefer it to be at least, for any reason, you simply cannot be objective.
The only way to know the truth is when you simply could not care less what the answer is and simply accept it whatever it is.
Smoking is addictive, therefore people find it hard to quit, therefore they don't want to, therefore they find it hard to accept how bad it really is. Habits are hard to break, therefore people don't want to break them and thus can't accept that they should be broken.

Why would you even care about something as stupid as what you eat, and defend it even when evidence points to it being unhealthy?

As far as diet being a reliable cure for stage 4 cancer, how reliable does it have to be in order for it to be worthwhile? How many lives does it have to save over allopathic medicine in order to overcome the social stigma of being so different in order to be accepted?
What percentage does it have to work? It is better than allopathic medicine works, as it gets a higher success rate for those who actually do it right. The success stories of nutrition go unpublicized to protect drug business, while the few failures are said to prove it to be totally worthless. Allopathic medicine is totally incapable of being held to that standard. Far too many people die because allopathic medicine fails, which people use because it's popular, and they want to fit in.
For many people, it seems better to use allopathic medicine and die than to use an unpopular treatment like nutrition and not fit in as a result, and then live as a result.

Better to fit in and keep your old habits and eat your pesticide laden foods and drink and smoke and then use allopathic medicine because you get disease from it, than to try nutrition sincerely, the right way.

If you did, you would be forced to reevaluate the validity of your habits, and by extension, to question the validity of the dominant cultural paradigm and then be different as a result.

Admit you care what the cause of disease is, in terms of how you might be forced to change your fundamental habits like what you eat, if you found out that what you eat did cause disease.

 

[devilof76]

I'm not going to waste my time reading that, but I will tell you to go ____ yourself on account of how many presumptions you made regarding my character, how many times you insulted my intelligence, and how many unsolicited and patronizing recommendations you included. You're so full of ____ on so many levels.