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I don't have time for such profound and refined treatment. My sins are too many.

I've been taking a 12-gauge shotgun blast to the face every morning. I figure I should be absolved and tumor-free by Christmas.
 
Did you just call Thomas Jefferson a pedophile?

As in having sex with 14 year old girls, yes. It's true by his own admission. Of course, he owned slaves too, and wasn't it nice of him to free them AFTER he was dead and could no longer use them. How humanitarian.
 
I decided to fact check myself because occassionaly I feel the need to "contribute". That said I find a few things interesting. First I can drink juice today while I'm crapping coffee! :yess: The second point of interest is where they are licensed to practice this miracle cure. Good luck with that! :slap Third is that there is NO controlled studies to show evidence that this works. In fact there is really only documentation about how harmful it is.

Chemotherapy isn't safe, either. It kills people, but that's ok with you, because it's approved. I suggested the program outlined in Ann E Frahm's book, A Cancer Battle Plan. I mentioned the Gerson Therapy because people HAVE become recovered from cancer by using it. I wouldn't go to Tijuana, either, but the fact that is in Tijuana has to do with the fact that it is close to the U.S. and that the AMA and FDA which is mostly interested in protecting their profits banned it. It was legal in the 50's, and was equally poised to become the dominant cancer treatment in the U.S. from what I understand, but big money won out, as in the drug companies bought the approval they got.

As far as twenty pounds of produce, it takes a lot of produce to make a glass of juice. 20 pounds of liquid is 2.4 gallons, but about half of the weight of the vegetable is lost as the fiber, so maybe 1 .2 gallons of juice. The recommended water intake is 8 8 ounce glasses of water a day, which is a half gallon, so its only twice what that is. Plus, you don't drink water , you drink juice when on the Gerson. Neither Gary Null not myself agrees with the use of raw liver in therapy, but Gerson's grandaughter believes in sticking strictly with his original program instead of evolving it, despite Gary Null's attempts to convince her that Gerson was an innovator and would have changed it based upon what is now known.

Chemotherapy and radiation kill people while they kill the cancer. Sure, they definitely kill cancer, but they kill the body's healthy cells, too.

As far as your father, I am sorry about that, but remember my my mother had at least two incompetent allopathic doctors. An oncologist who saw he every 6 months for 10 years who couldn't even tell she had cancer, and had to wait until she was so fatigued she had to go to her regular doctor to be told she had it, and then there was the bozo who didn't cut the 6 foot tube down to size before putting it in her, leading to it wrapping around her intestine and leading to emergency exploratory surgery to find out why she couldn't move her bowels, and then the anesthesia for that surgery took her liver function offline because it was so damaged by the cancer and the chemo already. She died as a result. All she had was colon cancer, too, which is SUPPOSED to be one of the easiest to treat, but when there incompetent regular M.D.s on the case, approved by the AMA, she ends up dying because of their incompetence. They were so incompetent it was unbelievable, but my father didn't see the point of suing, because it wouldn't bring her back, and their insurance premium would just go up a little and they would keep on doing as they do.

There are incompetent people in both the approved AMA field and in natural medicine, just like there are bad mechanics and bad plumbers.
 
Well I'm here to inform all of you about another government plan to keep us at bay. It is called sleep. We don't need it! Mattresses were invented by the government to keep us sleeping at least 8 hours a day so they can do their dastardly deeds. Ever hear of the term "counting sheep"?

Yep that's right sheep! Keep on sleeping......:sleep:rip
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Does Nova even come back to this thread or did he just give up
Probably the latter :lol
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Chemotherapy isn't safe, either. It kills people, but that's ok with you, because it's approved. I suggested the program outlined in Ann E Frahm's book, A Cancer Battle Plan. I mentioned the Gerson Therapy because people HAVE become recovered from cancer by using it. I wouldn't go to Tijuana, either, but the fact that is in Tijuana has to do with the fact that it is close to the U.S. and that the AMA and FDA which is mostly interested in protecting their profits banned it. It was legal in the 50's, and was equally poised to become the dominant cancer treatment in the U.S. from what I understand, but big money won out, as in the drug companies bought the approval they got.

As far as twenty pounds of produce, it takes a lot of produce to make a glass of juice. 20 pounds of liquid is 2.4 gallons, but about half of the weight of the vegetable is lost as the fiber, so maybe 1 .2 gallons of juice. The recommended water intake is 8 8 ounce glasses of water a day, which is a half gallon, so its only twice what that is. Plus, you don't drink water , you drink juice when on the Gerson. Neither Gary Null not myself agrees with the use of raw liver in therapy, but Gerson's grandaughter believes in sticking strictly with his original program instead of evolving it, despite Gary Null's attempts to convince her that Gerson was an innovator and would have changed it based upon what is now known.

Chemotherapy and radiation kill people while they kill the cancer. Sure, they definitely kill cancer, but they kill the body's healthy cells, too.

As far as your father, I am sorry about that, but remember my my mother had at least two incompetent allopathic doctors. An oncologist who saw he every 6 months for 10 years who couldn't even tell she had cancer, and had to wait until she was so fatigued she had to go to her regular doctor to be told she had it, and then there was the bozo who didn't cut the 6 foot tube down to size before putting it in her, leading to it wrapping around her intestine and leading to emergency exploratory surgery to find out why she couldn't move her bowels, and then the anesthesia for that surgery took her liver function offline because it was so damaged by the cancer and the chemo already. She died as a result. All she had was colon cancer, too, which is SUPPOSED to be one of the easiest to treat, but when there incompetent regular M.D.s on the case, approved by the AMA, she ends up dying because of their incompetence. They were so incompetent it was unbelievable, but my father didn't see the point of suing, because it wouldn't bring her back, and their insurance premium would just go up a little and they would keep on doing as they do.

There are incompetent people in both the approved AMA field and in natural medicine, just like there are bad mechanics and bad plumbers.

I will concede that there are health benefits to eating a balanced healthy diet. You make a lot of assumptions when you reply to people. I won't waste my time addressing those.

That said Gary Null? The same Gary Null that was poisned by his own supplements and then tried to sue over it? I rest my case.

Sorry about your Mom. Cancer sucks. :lecture
 
I will concede that there are health benefits to eating a balanced healthy diet. You make a lot of assumptions when you reply to people. I won't waste my time addressing those.

That said Gary Null? The same Gary Null that was poisned by his own supplements and then tried to sue over it? I rest my case.

Sorry about your Mom. Cancer sucks. :lecture
I said that chemo and radiation killing people is ok with you because it's approved, but you were finding fault with the Gerson Therapy as if it was worse. I disagree. As I said, The Gerson Therapy has flaws, but I strongly believed that Radiation and chemo are worse for someone and yet you seemed to find no fault with them.
There is also ozone therapy for cancer, like has been used in Germany for over 50 years. I would go to Germany for medical treatment.
Thank you for your condolences about my mom.

It sounds like the company that made the supplements for him under contract botched the formula. How is that HIS fault??? He sues the company that bungled his formula and compromised his health and his reputation. Isn't that understandable? your dismissing of Gary Null is specious.
Gary Null has reversed autism and helped people go from HIV positive to HIV negative, all with nutritional protocols. He has also helped people to overcome cancer. His results are documented, too. Conventional medicine won't hear of it because they can't stand to be proven wrong, and since they have all the power, they just ignore him.
 
Anyone that thinks that a "cure" could be concealed, let alone would be, has a fundamental misunderstanding of how research is conducted. Most basic science research is done at universities through grants. Anyone wanting another grant is not going to withhold their research; they're going to publish.

Any interesting molecules may proceed to trials directly through pharma, but often are outsourced to contract research organizations, non-profit research groups, universites, etc. "Cures" are not found in test tubes or under a microscope, but through clinical trials of hundreds or thousands of patients participating at different hospitals.

A coverup would be a monumental undertaking!

P.S. With regards cancer, there is not, nor will their ever be, a single "cure". Cancer is not a single disease, but a group of diseases with common properties. But they have different cell types, growth rates, patterns of recurrence/spread, etc. Some therapies work on some cancers, some on others. It will always be this way. The future is cancer-as-chronic-disease with longer life and better quality of life, but not universal "cure".
 
P.P.S. No one takes quackery, ahem, alternative medicine seriously because they don't do randomized trials.
 
Envy is dim. :lol

A coverup would be a monumental undertaking!

The sheer volume of serious work being done would be impossible to conceal. Presumably, there are secret organizations keeping track of it all and those who find what they don't want to be known are removed from this world via ninjas.
 
The sheer volume of serious work being done would be impossible to conceal.

Exactly.

Also, similar therapies are often being developed simultaneously by different organizations. Clinical research isn't monolithic, but it's not done in a vacuum, either. Complete concealment is a logistical impossibility.
 
Gary Null?

In addition to his promotion of alternative cancer treatments, Null has argued that HIV is harmless and does not cause AIDS.[8] In his book AIDS: A Second Opinion, Null questioned the role of antiretroviral medication and instead advocated a range of dietary supplements for HIV-positive individuals. His book was criticized as "massive, irresponsible and nearly unreadable" by Salon.com,[9] and Seth Kalichman cited Null as a prominent proponent of AIDS denialism, cashing in on HIV/AIDS and repeating the claims of other denialists. Kalichman compared Null's activities to Holocaust denial and stated that Null was an example of a dangerous entrepreneur who "obviously breached" the balance between free speech versus protecting public health.[10]
 
Then there's this maroon...

Initially, Gerson used his therapy as a treatment for migraine headaches and tuberculosis. In 1928, he began to use it as a treatment for cancer, its best known application.[5]

Gerson Therapy is based on the belief that disease is caused by the accumulation of unspecified toxins, and attempts to treat the disease by having patients consume a vegetarian diet including hourly glasses of organic juice and various dietary supplements. In addition, patients receive enemas of coffee, castor oil and sometimes hydrogen peroxide or ozone.[9] The original protocol also included raw calf liver extract daily but this practice was discontinued after several patients died following an outbreak of Campylobacter infection.[10] Gerson's daughter, Charlotte Gerson, continued to promote the therapy, founding the "Gerson Institute" in 1977.[11]

[edit] EvidenceGerson's therapy has not been independently tested or subjected to randomized controlled trials, and thus is illegal to market in the United States.[1] The Gerson Institute promotes the therapy by citing patient testimonials and other anecdotal evidence.[12] Gerson published a book discussing the alleged success of the therapy in 50 patients, but a review by the U.S. National Cancer Institute was unable to find any evidence that Gerson's claims were accurate.[3] Similarly, several case series by Gerson Institute staff published in the alternative medical literature suffered from significant methodological flaws, and no independent entity has been able to reproduce the claims.[3]

Attempts to independently check the results of the therapy have been negative. A group of 13 patients sickened by elements of the Gerson Therapy were evaluated in hospitals in San Diego in the early 1980s; all 13 were found to still have active cancer.[10] An investigation by Quackwatch found that the Institute's claims of cure were based not on actual documentation of survival, but on "a combination of the doctor's estimate that the departing patient has a 'reasonable chance of surviving', plus feelings that the Institute staff have about the status of people who call in."[13] In 1994, a study published in the alternative medical literature described 18 patients treated for cancer with the Gerson Therapy. Their median survival from treatment was 9 months. Five years after receiving the Gerson treatment, 17 of the 18 patients had died of their cancer, while the one surviving patient had active non-Hodgkin lymphoma.[14]

The American Cancer Society reported that "[t]here is no reliable scientific evidence that Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer, and the principles behind it are not widely accepted by the medical community. It is not approved for use in the United States."[2] In 1947, the National Cancer Institute reviewed 10 claimed cures submitted by Gerson; however, all of the patients were receiving standard anticancer treatment simultaneously, making it impossible to determine what effect, if any, was due to Gerson's therapy.[15] A review of the Gerson Therapy by Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center concluded: "If proponents of such therapies wish them to be evaluated scientifically and considered valid adjuvant treatments, they must provide extensive records (more than simple survival rates) and conduct controlled, prospective studies as evidence."[3] In 1947 and 1959, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) reviewed the cases of a total of 60 patients treated by Dr. Gerson. The NCI found that the available information did not prove the regimen had benefit.

Zero benefit. Most impressive.
 
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