X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[SNIKT1950]

The relationships basically end up exactly where they began at the end. And not one single character was killed, even minor ones (not even Rhodey, who has essentially become worthless but could have at least made a good solid emotional catalyst for Tony and made his side more relatable).

So yeah, they played it safe.

But that's what Feige does (which frankly, also frustrates the Russos).

This.

All of this.

 

[Khev]

I agree. I also prefer TWS overall.

I thought I preferred TWS after seeing CW the first time but then I went and watched TFA, TWS, AoU and then caught CW again in the theaters. I absolutely preferred Civil War after watching them all in a row. But it's not because it was flat out "better" than TWS. TWS reminded me of TDK or TDKR where Batman really doesn't fight costumed crazies and low level thugs so much as the mob, mob, mob. Similarly TWS was all about Cap vs spies, special forces, and militant pirates. Awesome, and a tighter film overall, but CW hide a higher degree of difficulty (because panther men, giant men, etc., are inherently sillier than rogue special forces units) and still hit it out of the park. It really felt like they went full tilt into "comic book land" and still delivered. That's why I put it ahead of TWS.

The relationships basically end up exactly where they began at the end.

Disagree.

But that's what Feige does (which frankly, also frustrates the Russos).

(There was signs of this with TWS, actually. Fury should have stayed dead, imho)

With this I agree. But the Russos are taking the limitations imposed by Feige and are still managing to put weight and stakes into their films.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Here's the thing: CW DOES play it very safe and wasn't even nearly "the emotional horror movie" it was purported to be. But that doesn't at all make it a bad movie. What's there works, and works very well.

Exactly. Its not a bad movie nor is it the masterpiece the MCU lovers are making it out to be.

Its a good, fun popcorn movie perfect for Feige's safe MCU.

At this point I'm starting to think TWS was a fluke that The Russos somehow got past Feige and co.'s strict kid-friendly guidelines.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

And whose to say Iron Man won't still try to kill or by omission of action allow Bucky to be killed in some future instalment.

As for Cap, they're saving him for Thanos would be my guess.

I hope Cap doesn't actually fight Thanos like he did with Loki or Ultron or Spiderman...or Iron Man. That can't happen...not with Thanos.

 

[IrishJedi]

I basically agree with FILM-CRIT HULK at BMD (hey, at least it's not Faraci):

https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/24/civil-war-spider-man-2-and-the-dangers-of-assumed-empathy

I probably like the movie a lot more than him, though. Like I said before, none of what I've said makes the movie a bad movie. In fact, I like it A LOT. But it's not exactly heavy. And, again, that's fine. It is what it is.

 

[IrishJedi]

At this point I'm starting to think TWS was a fluke that The Russos somehow got past Feige and co.'s strict kid-friendly guidelines.

I'm 100% convinced that Nick Fury's miraculous "Hey, he's really alive!" was all Feige's doing. I mean, at least they waited for a year of so for a TV show (AOS) before robbing all of the emotional weight from Coulson's "death" in THE AVENGERS. In TWS, they bring Fury back in the same damn movie! That's absolutely its one big flaw, imho. Because it rings completely hollow.... you can just FEEL that the movie really wanted to kill him off, but wasn't allowed to.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I'm 100% convinced that Nick Fury's dumb, miraculous "Hey, he's really alive!" was all Feige's doing.

Agreed 100%.

The Russos probably tried to keep him dead. Hopefully once they've left the MCU they'll pull a Whedon and vent so we can find out how many people they weren't allowed to kill in Civil War.

 

[a-dev]

Xavier and Magneto both end up exactly where they were at the beginning moreso than Iron Man and Captain America, and even more inexcusably given what Magneto does in this film.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm 100% convinced that Nick Fury's dumb, miraculous "Hey, he's really alive!" was all Feige's doing. I mean, at least they waited for a TV (AOS) before robbing all of the emotional weight from Coulson's "death" in THE AVENGERS. In TWS, they bring Fury back in the same damn movie! That's absolutely its one big flaw, imho. Because it rings completely hollow.... you can just FEEL that the movie really wanted to kill him off, but wasn't allowed to.

A big flaw is the gadget that changes their appearance Mission Impossible style and they don't use it...not even in Civil War. I mean, if you have access to a gadget that can make you look like a different person, wouldn't you use it...a lot?

 

[SNIKT1950]

Xavier and Magneto both end up exactly where they were at the beginning moreso than Iron Man and Captain America, and even more inexcusably given what Magneto does in this film.

Yep. X-Men: Apocalypse is not a great film. Neither is Civil War.

 

[IrishJedi]

Xavier and Magneto both end up exactly where they were at the beginning moreso than Iron Man and Captain America, and even more inexcusably given what Magneto does in this film.

I would agree with that. There's definitely some head-scratching logic flaws in the past couple of X-MEN films.

A big flaw is the gadget that changes their appearance Mission Impossible style and they don't use it...not even in Civil War. I mean, if you have access to a gadget that can make you look like a different person, wouldn't you use it...a lot?

That's true. I hadn't even thought of that. But that's easily forgivable,imho, because the movies are for the most part very well made and damn fun.

 

[a-dev]

I haven't actually reached a final verdict on Civil War, but even with the ***t copy I watched on my laptop screen ( ) I can say it was still better than a proper cinema viewing of X-men Apocalypse. I take no particular pleasure in saying that, I've been enjoying the X-men films for the most part up to now, I even assumed I would like this one despite the negative reviews.

 

[jye4ever]

Yup Feige is so evil that he allowed the Russo's to make 2 great superhero movies, damn that man.

Many movie sites reported that the problem isn't Feige, it was his boss Perlmutter who is now gone.

Even if it is Feige so what, every movie made will always have studio interference, it can't be Hollywood without that taking place.

Look at the PT, no one stepped in to interfere and looked how they turned out.

Sometimes producers from the studios actually help make a movie better.

Fury Road was taken over by the producers for awhile and it received high praise.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Fixed that for you.

If "gravitas" is someone murdering a hundred million people and then everyone sharing a group laugh like it was the end of a Mentos commercial then yeah, glad CW didn't have any of that.

I'm not even sure it's better than TWS, which isn't a masterpiece either.

I think CW is better than TWS in a lot of ways, but I'm the rare person who felt underwhelmed leaving the theater after seeing TWS. The best thing about it for me was that it made Cap cool and it made me really like AoS for half a season.

 

[Khev]

Even if it is Feige so what, every movie made will always have studio interference, it can't be Hollywood without that taking place

Yep, the MCU is just unusual in that we're on a first and last name basis with "teh studio" that causes interference. But all studio funded films have that same element of powers that be to appease. The Russos have just proven to be masters of making lemons out of lemonade (when needed, obviously some of Marvel's requirements were spot on, particularly with regard to reigning in Whedon's desired two hour Thor bath movie.)

I haven't actually reached a final verdict on Civil War, but even with the ***t copy I watched on my laptop screen ( )

Dude, you really shortchanged yourself on that one. Shoulda seen it on the big screen my man. As far as "masterpieces" go, eh, like TFA before it my favorite movie of the year isn't what I'd call the "best." That I'd still give to The VVitch. But I would give Civil War a solid 9/10. And I didn't even want any damn MCU movies this year (*including a Cap-centric story*) but damn if the Russos didn't win me over all over again.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yup Feige is so evil that he allowed the Russo's to make 2 great superhero movies, damn that man.

Many movie sites reported that the problem isn't Feige, it was his boss Perlmutter who is now gone.

Even if it is Feige so what, every movie made will always have studio interference, it can't be Hollywood without that taking place.

Look at the PT, no one stepped in to interfere and looked how they turned out.

Sometimes producers from the studios actually help make a movie better.

Fury Road was taken over by the producers for awhile and it received high praise.

Yeah, producers have good intentions, mainly because they'll probably get the blame if the film fails.

 

[pturtle]

I'm a huge FoX-Men found and I have no problem admitting Civil War was the best movie of the year, but it still wasn't a very good movie in my opinion. X-Men Apocalypse, BvS and even Deadpool had more memorable scenes, but as a whole Civil War was better than everything so far. I think Suicide Squad will be the best superhero movie of year though.


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[SNIKT1950]

I'm a huge FoX-Men found and I have no problem admitting Civil War was the best movie of the year, but it still wasn't a very good movie in my opinion. X-Men Apocalypse, BvS and even Deadpool had more memorable scenes, but as a whole Civil War was better than everything so far. I think Suicide Squad will be the best superhero movie of year though.


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Deadpool is miles ahead of everything else this year. It was truly ambitious and pretty much the opposite of safe. Its a movie FOX should have made years ago and one Disney [foolishly] would never make.

 

[Khev]

"Deadpool, the movie you have to be 17 years old to see but 16 years old to appreciate." That about sums it up.

 

[YoNoSe]

This movie is cinematic anti-viagra. I don't even want to think about CBMs for the foreseeable future. Blech.