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X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
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Like you can talk after saying that anyone who didn't like BvS and was posting in the thread was a troll and should get out and leave you to your praises. Stop calling out other people on things that you are one of the primary perpetrators of on this board.
That's not going to happen.
Listen, man, do yourself a favor and ignore my posts. I ignore yours up until the point where you address me in them.
I just don't care for anything you have to say so steer clear of me.
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No, I meant you not thinking that Magneto killed more than a few kittens.
Oh my bad
Honestly I'm not defending the film, but I really don't remember. I remember Apocalypse using his weird powers to build his pyramid and by doing that everyone in buildings and cars and whatever were being killed, everyone else was pretty much running away. I don't really remember what Magneto did towards the end to harm any humans.
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Honestly I'm not defending the film, but I really don't remember. I remember Apocalypse using his weird powers to build his pyramid and by doing that everyone in buildings and cars and whatever were being killed, everyone else was pretty much running away. I don't really remember what Magneto did towards the end to harm any humans.
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This is your memory of the destruction.
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We'll see what happens between now and Infinity War but at this moment l don't want DD in IW.
Now that I think about it khev, Stark did say to BW that Ross was coming for her after her betrayal of letting Cap escape from the airport.
Maybe DD will be introduced into the MCU as her attorney defending her against Ross.
But her trial would have to be in Hells Kitchen.
There is precedent for this. Matt represented BW in a murder trial back in the 70's
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how far does the disney conspiracy go?
What conspiracy? Its obvious.
Just ask Chloe Bennet.
Well in fairness, if I were Feige, I wouldn't want my movies associated with a terrible TV show like Agents of SHIELD, either.
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Nothing wrong with the Netflix shows yet they too remain on an island.
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There's an alternate universe where Civil War was as serious as TWS and both The Punisher & DD got involved.
The War was really a war, people died, people cried and Cap died fighting for his principles while a guilt-ridden Tony placed his shield over his torso saying "My father made this shield for you. It rests with his hero."
In that same alternate universe, Apocalypse wasn't wasted in Singer's fourth X-Men film and looked like this:
Regarding CW, that didn't even happen because of anything that had to do with the comic event.
Regarding XMA, I agree. Apocalypse reminded me of Ivan Ooze from the Power Rangers movie
Man, people are still going with the "Cap should've died!!11!1" thing? You do know that it was all because of Brubaker and his hard-on for Bucky, right? The seeds for that were planted at the beginning of the run, and that was always his end-game. CW just happened to be around the corner, so he used that as the backdrop.
As for the Punisher and Daredevil, what's the point? Frank killing 4 criminals, having the **** kicked out of him and rescuing Spidey? And Daredevil just comparing Stark to Judas? For all these to work you need a whole lot more than what the MCU has already built. CW had the basis of 60+ years of continuity, not just 12 movies or so. I mean, come on...
As for the Punisher and Daredevil, what's the point? Frank killing 4 criminals, having the **** kicked out of him and rescuing Spidey? And Daredevil just comparing Stark to Judas? For all these to work you need a whole lot more than what the MCU has already built. CW had the basis of 60+ years of continuity, not just 12 movies or so. I mean, come on...
Copy Pasted from a month or so back, from the CW thread. I'm too bored to re-structure it...
Man, this just shows you did not read the comics you're "quoting". So, as a comic fan:
1) The entirety of the Civil War began from Nitro detonating due to the carelessness of the New Warriors. They were filming a TV-Show, they rushed in and they lost. Nitro detonated and killed about 600 people. I don't see the difference between the catalyst being a school, and the catalyst being an international incident.
2) The villains in question were already established super-villains that Tony had been amassing alongside Zemo over at Thunderbolts. At the time, they had over 100 imprissoned villains, and only used the deadliest. Meanwhile, behind closed doors, Zemo was creating his "own" Thunderbolts Army in order to win against the Grandmaster, an Elder of the Universe.
3) The Prison in the Negative Zone was Project #42 from Richards' 100 Ideas Initiative. They were basically 100 Ideas that Richards, Stark and Pym came up with Post-Stanford, in order to make the world a better place. But with all of them being kinda nuts, and Hank Pym being a Skrull in disguise, they went overboard. After the CW had ended, it was left abandoned, and Blastaar took over, which led to Jack Flag joining the GotG.
4) The casualties you speak of were Black Goliath, Jack O'Lantern and the Jester. The former was killed by Ragnarok, a Thor clone which was created since Thor was dead at the time, fullfilling the prophecy of Ragnarok. He went haywire and killed him. The Jester, Jack O'Lantern and 2 other Z-List villains were killed by the Punisher during his rescue of Spider-Man and inside Cap's hideout. So, yeah, the only "major" death, was equilavent of "the black guy dies first". Yay... Afterwards, Herc smashed his head in.
5) The fight you all love to say "that was a war!" was still not as brutal, because people were still not really rying to kill each other. All the fights took place in mostly evacuated areas, and the last one, which took place in the city, was halted by Cap as soon as he saw that they were simply fighting just for the hell of it. If they were bloodlusted, he'd have just let Cloak and his team drop the other to their deaths. Not to mention that the final scene with Cap looking as he was gonna kill Tony was straight from the page.
Here, Sue Storm is in the opposite side of Reed, but as soon as he gets hurt, she rushes to save her husband. So no, she's not "bloodlusted".
These are all the heroes and villains. Wow, they have Solo, the Shroud, Tigra, Nightawk, etc, etc... I'm sure all of them played a huge part in the comic. Oh, wiat, they didn't! The major characters were Cap, Tony, Vision and the like! Huh, I never would've guessed...
6) Wanna know why Tony was so adamant about the SHRA? Because he and some of his buddies formed a club called "The Illuminati", which was there to "govern all affairs". Black Panther refused to join them, and he was damn right. He stayed out of the conflict and only, in the end, aided Cap.
Here's a nice read-up on Reed, Hank and Tony: https://goodcomics.comicbookresources...istration-act/
6.5) Still on the Illuminati, these boys went to the Skrull homeworld, wrecked **** up and warned them never to try and invade the Earth again. So, what do the Skrulls do? Abduct Pym, replace him and put him there as a sleeper. His job? Try and divide the Avengers from the inside, hence why "Hank" was so supportive of the SHRA. Thus, CW paved the way for Secret Invasion.
7) And here we come to the biggest "issue", Cap's Death. Newsflash: Cap didn't die in CW. He died in Fallen Son. Cap didn't die because of the events of Civil War, he died because of the Red Skull and Faustus. That info aside, plans for Cap's death were already in stone, as Brubaker wanted to write Bucky-Cap. CW was just the perfect time. And besides, Cap didn't "die", he got stuck in a space-bullet. The whole deal involved Lukin, Red Skull, Faustus and even Burnside.
So yeah, here's your precious source material. To translate Civil War correctly, you need:
1) The New Warriors (Nitro can just be a minor, newly introduced villain)
2) The F4 and Negative Zone
3) The Illuminati and the Skrulls
4) Red Skull, Faustus, Doom and the Osborn administration
5) Zemo, his Moonstones and his amry, plus the Elders of the Universe
6) Ragnarok, the event and the clone
7) More minor, D-List characters
Wait, you mean these things don't exist in the MCU? Well, I never would have guessed. But here's my view:
-Stanford = Lagos
-New Warriors = Wanda
-Nitro = Crossbones
-Prison 42 = Raft
-Red Skull/Faustus/Skrulls/outside force which made the war inevitable = Zemo
-Villains = Spider-Man (person/people brought over to turn the tide)
It's not a perfect adaptation you say? Of course it's bloody noy, cause otherwise you'd need 20 damn years of the MCU an God knows how many damn movies. Now, you'll say "they could keep some stuff", which would then bring us to "they're changing stuff". Honest truth? The movie is damn faithful to the comic.
There. You know how sick and ****ing tired I am of "comic book purists" saying they didn't follow the source material, pretending that just remembering Cap on the stairs counts? Here's your gosh-darn source material. You want that? You want all this convulted storyline with branches everywhere? Be my guest. But do not tell me that there's no "resemblance" to the comic.
Just admit that you wanted Cap to die. Well, tough luck, the protagonists never die, be it comics or movies. Guess we should campaign for Batman to die in JL ala Final Crisis and have him return through time as Batman-Pirate, Batman-Cabeman and Batman-Knight... Either, boom, here are your scans, here's your source material, here's everything!
Man, this just shows you did not read the comics you're "quoting". So, as a comic fan:
1) The entirety of the Civil War began from Nitro detonating due to the carelessness of the New Warriors. They were filming a TV-Show, they rushed in and they lost. Nitro detonated and killed about 600 people. I don't see the difference between the catalyst being a school, and the catalyst being an international incident.
2) The villains in question were already established super-villains that Tony had been amassing alongside Zemo over at Thunderbolts. At the time, they had over 100 imprissoned villains, and only used the deadliest. Meanwhile, behind closed doors, Zemo was creating his "own" Thunderbolts Army in order to win against the Grandmaster, an Elder of the Universe.
3) The Prison in the Negative Zone was Project #42 from Richards' 100 Ideas Initiative. They were basically 100 Ideas that Richards, Stark and Pym came up with Post-Stanford, in order to make the world a better place. But with all of them being kinda nuts, and Hank Pym being a Skrull in disguise, they went overboard. After the CW had ended, it was left abandoned, and Blastaar took over, which led to Jack Flag joining the GotG.
4) The casualties you speak of were Black Goliath, Jack O'Lantern and the Jester. The former was killed by Ragnarok, a Thor clone which was created since Thor was dead at the time, fullfilling the prophecy of Ragnarok. He went haywire and killed him. The Jester, Jack O'Lantern and 2 other Z-List villains were killed by the Punisher during his rescue of Spider-Man and inside Cap's hideout. So, yeah, the only "major" death, was equilavent of "the black guy dies first". Yay... Afterwards, Herc smashed his head in.
5) The fight you all love to say "that was a war!" was still not as brutal, because people were still not really rying to kill each other. All the fights took place in mostly evacuated areas, and the last one, which took place in the city, was halted by Cap as soon as he saw that they were simply fighting just for the hell of it. If they were bloodlusted, he'd have just let Cloak and his team drop the other to their deaths. Not to mention that the final scene with Cap looking as he was gonna kill Tony was straight from the page.
Here, Sue Storm is in the opposite side of Reed, but as soon as he gets hurt, she rushes to save her husband. So no, she's not "bloodlusted".
These are all the heroes and villains. Wow, they have Solo, the Shroud, Tigra, Nightawk, etc, etc... I'm sure all of them played a huge part in the comic. Oh, wiat, they didn't! The major characters were Cap, Tony, Vision and the like! Huh, I never would've guessed...
6) Wanna know why Tony was so adamant about the SHRA? Because he and some of his buddies formed a club called "The Illuminati", which was there to "govern all affairs". Black Panther refused to join them, and he was damn right. He stayed out of the conflict and only, in the end, aided Cap.
Here's a nice read-up on Reed, Hank and Tony: https://goodcomics.comicbookresources...istration-act/
6.5) Still on the Illuminati, these boys went to the Skrull homeworld, wrecked **** up and warned them never to try and invade the Earth again. So, what do the Skrulls do? Abduct Pym, replace him and put him there as a sleeper. His job? Try and divide the Avengers from the inside, hence why "Hank" was so supportive of the SHRA. Thus, CW paved the way for Secret Invasion.
7) And here we come to the biggest "issue", Cap's Death. Newsflash: Cap didn't die in CW. He died in Fallen Son. Cap didn't die because of the events of Civil War, he died because of the Red Skull and Faustus. That info aside, plans for Cap's death were already in stone, as Brubaker wanted to write Bucky-Cap. CW was just the perfect time. And besides, Cap didn't "die", he got stuck in a space-bullet. The whole deal involved Lukin, Red Skull, Faustus and even Burnside.
So yeah, here's your precious source material. To translate Civil War correctly, you need:
1) The New Warriors (Nitro can just be a minor, newly introduced villain)
2) The F4 and Negative Zone
3) The Illuminati and the Skrulls
4) Red Skull, Faustus, Doom and the Osborn administration
5) Zemo, his Moonstones and his amry, plus the Elders of the Universe
6) Ragnarok, the event and the clone
7) More minor, D-List characters
Wait, you mean these things don't exist in the MCU? Well, I never would have guessed. But here's my view:
-Stanford = Lagos
-New Warriors = Wanda
-Nitro = Crossbones
-Prison 42 = Raft
-Red Skull/Faustus/Skrulls/outside force which made the war inevitable = Zemo
-Villains = Spider-Man (person/people brought over to turn the tide)
It's not a perfect adaptation you say? Of course it's bloody noy, cause otherwise you'd need 20 damn years of the MCU an God knows how many damn movies. Now, you'll say "they could keep some stuff", which would then bring us to "they're changing stuff". Honest truth? The movie is damn faithful to the comic.
There. You know how sick and ****ing tired I am of "comic book purists" saying they didn't follow the source material, pretending that just remembering Cap on the stairs counts? Here's your gosh-darn source material. You want that? You want all this convulted storyline with branches everywhere? Be my guest. But do not tell me that there's no "resemblance" to the comic.
Just admit that you wanted Cap to die. Well, tough luck, the protagonists never die, be it comics or movies. Guess we should campaign for Batman to die in JL ala Final Crisis and have him return through time as Batman-Pirate, Batman-Cabeman and Batman-Knight... Either, boom, here are your scans, here's your source material, here's everything!
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But if someone died then CW would be a good movie.
Except the death wouldn't be significant enough and would have bad wire work and Kevin Feige and CGI AND DisneyBAD and outofchips and RAAAArrrrrr!!!!
Except the death wouldn't be significant enough and would have bad wire work and Kevin Feige and CGI AND DisneyBAD and outofchips and RAAAArrrrrr!!!!
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Regarding XMA, I agree. Apocalypse reminded me of Ivan Ooze from the Power Rangers movie
Seeing that bust at Monsterpalooza of what they would have done instead of what we got was really aggravating.
Its nuts how they could get so much right with DOFP but got so much wrong with Apocalypse.
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This much is probably true though.
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Seeing that bust at Monsterpalooza of what they would have done instead of what we got was really aggravating.
Its nuts how they could get so much right with DOFP but got so much wrong with Apocalypse.
Wouldn't change the movie, but man to see Apocalypse look like that on-screen would've been amazing. Instead we got
(Apologies if the Ivan Ooze thing is old I haven't been in this thread often)
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