X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[SNIKT1950]

In this first Spidey film, they should keep it simple and focus on what's important, and Kingpin is not that important.

So Cap and Tony are important? Bringing in Cap and Tony is them simplifying things?

Listen to yourself. Its like you MCU lovers are completely blinded by these films. The world won't end if you disagree with every **** move the studio makes.

Kingpin should absolutely be in this film. Cap and Tony have no business being in it.

This is why I don't root for one studio. They all pull dumbass moves. Singer wasted Apocalypse. WB wasted The Death of Superman. Disney turned Civil War into a friendly skirmish.

 

[Khev]

Brb, Disney is here to impregnate my wife.

Disney's first order of business after The Avengers crossed 1.5 billion was to reinstitute prima nocta.

 

[Darkseed]

Fox and WB should team up to deliver a solid cbm to battle the Mighty Mouse..........their films don't stand a chance on their own....except to the few cutting edge rebels who fruitlessly battle against the kingdom and its followers..

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So Cap and Tony are important? Bringing in Cap and Tony is them simplifying things?

Listen to yourself. Its like you MCU lovers are completely blinded by these films. The world won't end if you disagree with every **** move the studio makes.

Kingpin should absolutely be in this film. Cap and Tony have no business being in it.

This is why I don't root for one studio. They all pull dumbass moves. Singer wasted Apocalypse. WB wasted The Death of Superman. Disney turned Civil War into a friendly skirmish.

We met Spidey through Tony, who not only recruited him, gave him a suit, but also hit on Peter's aunt, and he is the most important character in the MCU, so yes he is more important than a villain on show that most people haven't seen.

Why should Kingpin be on this film? Oh...because he lives in NY? Hey...Cap is from NY too.

 

[jye4ever]

Disney's first order of business after The Avengers crossed 1.5 billion was to reinstitute prima nocta.

Which was a different line than from the extended trailer prior the movie release.

 

[karamazov80]

Kingpin and Spidey could work, but we should probably wait until Spidey encounters some reasonably darker situations first to prime him for it. Same with him interacting with Punisher, though Punisher's first appearances were in Spidey comics. Khev is right--DD would be totally out of place in the happy little romp at the airport. But there is a juxtaposition in the comics when those guys interact, as well. So there are situations where it would make sense. Winter Soldier is a pretty dark character, after all. DD could have been at the airport at the beginning, then said, "nah, **** this bull****" and walked away, and that would work. But it's gonna be tough for the big "D" because they are making the MCU films for kids as much as adults of course, and the Netflix stuff just is not for kids.

How long was Apoc standing on those rocks ffs? It looked like classic Trek.

I would watch Ultron MST3K-ing this movie before I'd ever watch it on it's own again.

I've got no strings on me, Joel.

 

[Khev]

Which was a different line than from the extended trailer prior the movie release.

Yep.

 

[Khev]

Winter Soldier is a pretty dark character, after all. DD could have been at the airport at the beginning, then said, "nah, **** this bull****" and walked away, and that would work. But it's gonna be tough for the big "D" because they are making the MCU films for kids as much as adults of course, and the Netflix stuff just is not for kids.

Very true. Frank Grillo's Brock Rumlow would seem right at home in the Netflix world and he worked just fine as a film character. As you said they just need to keep these characters in situations suitable for them.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Daredevil should have been Tony's recruit. It literally makes no sense that he chose a teenager only spotted with cell phone cams instead of a police-endorsed vigilante who's been cleaning up the streets for years and apprehended The Punisher.

The reason he wasn't was because Disney and the TV people can't get their **** together and Spider-Man is much more profitable than DD.

Again, if the Disney Disciples weren't so quick to approve everything done by the films (they even defended IM3's Mandarin) they wouldn't be saying stuff like "Daredevil wouldn't really fit into Civil War" which is just absurd when teenage Spider-Man did.

 

[Khev]

Daredevil should have been Tony's recruit.

No way would Netflix DD align himself with UN stooges. The whole reason he's a vigilante at night is because he believes he's above "the system."

 

[karamazov80]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Daredevil should have been Tony's recruit. It literally makes no sense that he chose a teenager only spotted with cell phone cams instead of a police-endorsed vigilante who's been cleaning up the streets for years and apprehended The Punisher.

The reason he wasn't was because Disney and the TV people can't get their **** together and Spider-Man is much more profitable than DD.

Yes, it was silly for Tony to hire a superhero who can lift over 20 tons, has incredible speed, and a high intellect. He should have gone with the blind human who stops carjackings. Yup, that's very logical.

 

[jye4ever]

Ummm, I don't care how dark and bad ass DD is in the comics, Spiderman's abilities, personality and box office appeal were much better suited for the movie.

DD and Punisher have got a great thing going in TV, let them stretch their legs there especially after their prior cinematic attempts were less than stellar.

I did not walk out of Avengers, AOU or CW thinking "Man these movies are in desperate need of DD and Punisher!"

 

[SNIKT1950]

No way would Netflix DD align himself with UN stooges. The whole reason he's a vigilante at night is because he believes he's above "the system."

So the same Matt who brought down The Punisher for killing people wouldn't aid Tony in bringing in The Winter Soldier for doing the same?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Again, there is no justification for DD to be left out of Civil War other than the fact that Disney can't work **** out with Netflix and the acquisition of Spider-Man was too good for them to resist exploiting in the film.

 

[karamazov80]

Netflix DD would have taken Cap's side philosophically, I'm sure. The big issue was over the UN registration (caused because of Crossbones), not Winter Soldier specifically. He also probably wouldn't have rushed to judgment regarding Bucky, because lord knows he is aware of how the system can be used to deceive and manipulate.

But it's a moot point. The TV guys obviously aren't going to be involved with the movie guys at this point. But hopefully that will change. The recent Hawkeye comics would work as a Netflix vehicle. Cap vs. Punisher could be fantastic. Spidey and DD should interact at some point. Etc.

 

[pturtle]

And that's more than enough to leave the door open for collaborations. We don't need a Spiderman or a Thor reference on every episode, but the door is open.

As of right now I think there's about an equal chance of Marvel working with Fox and they're already working with Sony. Supposedly Feige and the head of the television division have a lot of problems.

I don't think we'll see the Netflix characters show up in a movie in quite some times of ever.

Yeah, I meant the three new ones. In FC he starts as a baddie, then goes good, then goes bad again.

Anyway, I like it how Magneto can be responsible for millions of deaths (I think that's the death toll mentioned by one of the generals), and the professor is still going "I know there's still good in you..." and then Magneto just goes on his merry way.

Don't get me wrong, I like the character, but his death toll is kinda extreme, isn't it?

Maybe I was dozing off, but I don't remember Magneto killing millions in this movie, I don't even remember it being implied.



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[SNIKT1950]

Yes, it was silly for Tony to hire a superhero who can lift over 20 tons, has incredible speed, and a high intellect. He should have gone with the blind human who stops carjackings. Yup, that's very logical.

He chose a teenager instead of a man. An amateur instead of a proven fighter.

You threw logic out the window the moment you began arguing for "the logic" in the studio's decision to choose Spider-Man over DD.

It wasn't about logic for them. It was about money. Just like it will be in Spider Man: Homecoming with Cap and Tony.

 

[karamazov80]

Maybe I was dozing off, but I don't remember Magneto killing millions in this movie, I don't even remember it being implied.

I don't recall that, either. But it stands to reason that if he's doing the kind of damage we saw to the bridge, buildings, cars, etc. that he would have killed millions. I mean, he was impacting the entire earth, correct? Of 7+ billion people? Think about all those densely and heavily populated areas in Asia, Africa, and South America, with substandard buildings everywhere. Then he would have caused mudslides, avalanches, and the like. Probably caused tectonic shifts.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

He chose a teenager instead of a man. An amateur instead of a proven fighter.

You threw logic out the window the moment you began arguing for "the logic" in the studio's decision to choose Spider-Man over DD.

It wasn't about logic for them. It was about money. Just like it will be in Spider Man: Homecoming with Cap and Tony.

Spidey is and always will be the face of Marvel, so yes..it's very logical. Not to mention Spidey did play a role in the CW comic...not that it matters, but there you go.

 

[karamazov80]

Well Daredevil also played a role in Civil War, for what it's worth. Kind of stupid role, but the whole comic wasn't very well written to begin with.