X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

thats fair, thats a good point.

force awakens followed a new hope too close BUT it was fun and entertaining. it felt a little bit like a remake but it was great.
so force awakens is the perfect example, a hell of a ride

True, Force Awakens is a hellish ride.

 

[crows]

 

[rushmore223]

Pretentious - Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, Talent, culture, than is actually Posessed.

well,im just saying

this movie pretented to be epic, destruction of epic proportions: it wasnt, the destruction felt hollow. it just wasnt iconic, just as hollow as ultron or bvs
this movie pretended to have epic characters: the horsemen were silent henchmen that did nothing until the end. it acted like the characters had greater importance, when they were just as regular as any other mutants they have fought.
this movie did, this movie did that, it pretended to be more epic than it really was. it pretended Apocalypse was a bigger threat than he really was,

that shot of Storm coming down from the sky and Psylocke cutting down the car, that was pretentious, they were not as powerful as the movie pretented it was,

I mean, this whole speech was pretentious as hell (oh the most incredible most scary most amazing mutant ever, he will end the world! hes too powerful, hes the first)



even the music is all ominous, Apocalypse should have been scarier then

that scene to me is pretentious

But by that measure, almost every superhero film is pretentious. Most of these movies the heroes face threats to the world.

Just about every movie that relies on CG feels pretty hollow, but it's just come to be something that I don't complain about anymore, because it's not going anywhere and doesn't seem to really improve.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

even the music is all ominous, Apocalypse should have been scarier then

that scene to me is pretentious

Agent Carter there forgot to mention Apoc is 5'7'' and likes to wear hooker boots.

 

[jye4ever]

What's being overlooked though is that the movie had a heart.

Singer must like midgets though, first Trask then Apoc.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'm worthy.

 

[pturtle]

Yep, and having Psylocke as a concubine would have also been a great "in world" explanation for her comic accurate stripper getup. We were just talking about Conan the Barbarian in the BvS thread. Apoc should have been a PG-13 Thulsa Doom just like Ledger Joker was a PG-13 Hannibal Lecter.

That would have been great, in telling you I think Singer tried delivering a good comic book movie for the first time instead of delivering just a good movie like he tends to do.

The leg break and Angel wing sprouting pushed the PG-13 to the edge for a superhero movie, especially that leg break.

Shame they couldn't take the cult stuff to the edge.

I thought they would, Singer kept bringing up sex in interviews when explaining the exploits of a cult leader and there's absolutely none of that in he movie.

This I can agree with.



There you go, made Apocalypse a whole lot more interesting and fitting for the Singerverse, he would take advantage of his physical form to enjoy carnal pleasures and ****. It's just beyond obvious he and more people involved didn't care.

That or he's just past his prime, I don't know


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[jye4ever]

Are you certain he wasn't discussing his pool parties?

 

[rushmore223]

Your Pretentious!

 

[GasparZizou]

Your Pretentious!

 

[pturtle]

Are you certain he wasn't discussing his pool parties?

You just gave me a great idea, he should have cast himself to play Apocalypse


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[jye4ever]

Yup, he would've scared the crap out of me.

I'm afraid of him without the drag, imagine as Apoc!

 

[pturtle]

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[GasparZizou]

Pturtle, do you think they can redeem themselves? I mean, I talk in my "reviewewewew" how I think they exhausted their posibilites of the Singerverse, Jye says they could go cosmic but I honestly can muster enough interest to see it happening.

 

[pturtle]

Pturtle, do you think they can redeem themselves? I mean, I talk in my "reviewewewew" how I think they exhausted their posibilites of the Singerverse, Jye says they could go cosmic but I honestly can muster enough interest to see it happening.

Yea I think so, I love these characters and I love the Singerverse but in all honesty the smartest thing for Fox to do would be to just jump to present day and I guess be like a First Class again but in a contemporary setting. They can make some references to what happened in past movies but overall it should feel fresh and new and not really connected to the older films sort of like First Class did. The only problem is, doing that you lose Mcavoy and Fassbender.

I'm pretty sure Mcavoy is returning for New Mutants though, and I don't know when that movie is set to take place.

The Singerverse should be grounded and tackle more real world issues, going the fantastical route such as cosmic or even Apocalypse clashes with the tone from the older films. A quasi-reboot I think is the best way to go. I probably won't be as interested but it would probably be the smarter route for Fox to take.




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[Khev]

do you think they can redeem themselves?

Yep, they can send the new kids over to the MCU.

 

[pturtle]

I think either way, Fox is going to start going the MCU route anyway, so they might as well. I'm pretty sure I won't be very excited for what comes after this regardless if it stays at Fox or goes to Marvel. Only thing that would keep my interest would be bringing Vaughn or Singer back, and focusing on one specific story instead of worrying about building a universe. Unfortunately it's very unlikely that either of them are coming back so I really don't care what happens in the FoX-Men franchise from here on out, outside of Wolverine 3 since that's Hugh's last go at Wolverine.


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[SNIKT1950]

A quasi-reboot I think is the best way to go. I probably won't be as interested but it would probably be the smarter route for Fox to take.

There's no need to reboot, soft reboot or share rights with Disney.

Franchises stumble sometimes. Marvel Studios delivered its share of crap films (that somehow still got Certified Fresh reviews) yet continued to pump out movie after movie unconcerned by low box office returns (ANT-MAN only made $500 million yet is still being given a sequel).

FOX had two home runs with DOFP & Deadpool. Apocalypse won't be a home run but it won't be deemed a loss by the studio's standards.

WOLVERINE 3 at an estimated $127 million production cost only needs to make around $400 Million to appease the studio (THE WOLVERINE cost $120 & made $415 Million which they were happy with).

GAMBIT, NEW MUTANTS, DEADPOOL 2 & X-FORCE are all said to have budgets under $150 Million.

The next team X-Men film won't hit until 2019 and will probably be directed by someone other than Singer since he's been vocal about wanting to do other things.

Bottom line is this franchise is fine and will proceed with its universe-expanding slate. Just because Apocalypse didn't deliver doesn't mean the next five films won't.

I tell myself the same thing after every disappointing MCU movie.

 

[pturtle]

There's no need to reboot, soft reboot or share rights with Disney.

Franchises stumble sometimes. Marvel Studios delivered its share of crap films (that somehow still got Certified Fresh reviews) yet continued to pump out movie after movie unconcerned by low box office returns (ANT-MAN only made $500 million yet is still being given a sequel).

FOX had two home runs with DOFP & Deadpool. Apocalypse won't be a home run but it won't be deemed a loss by the studio's standards.

WOLVERINE 3 at an estimated $127 million production cost only needs to make around $400 Million to appease the studio (THE WOLVERINE cost $120 & made $415 Million which they were happy with).

GAMBIT, NEW MUTANTS, DEADPOOL 2 & X-FORCE are all said to have budgets under $150 Million.

The next team X-Men film won't hit until 2019 and will probably be directed by someone other than Singer since he's been vocal about wanting to do other things.

Bottom line is this franchise is fine and will proceed with its universe-expanding slate. Just because Apocalypse didn't deliver doesn't mean the next five films won't.

I tell myself the same thing after every disappointing MCU movie.

I was mainly speaking on what would be best for Fox. They might have all those movies on the slate but that doesn't mean they'll be good, or it would be smart to make them. A Gambit film is being made strictly because Lauren Donner saw an interview with Channing Tatum expressing interest in playing Gambit. They don't really have a long term plan. Gambit shouldn't have a solo film, and this is coming from a huge Gambit fan.

Antman making 500 million isn't that bad considering that's on par with most of what the FoX-Men films have made. I'm not a fan of the MCU, but they have a coherent universe, with a long term plan. Most people love what they're doing and Fox is already trying to copy the universe building from the MCU but theirs is so convoluted and of course was never planned, trying to do something like that with a franchise hats been running for almost two decades is going to be tough.

After X3 and origins came out, a quasi-preboot reinvigorated the franchise, and a lot of fans are tired of the focus not being on the X-Men. A way to keep everything that came before but remaining fresh is pulling another First Class, instead of jumping 40 years back, jump 40 years ahead with mostly a new cast, a new tone, a new director, and new direction. Give fans the Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, Gambit, Beast etc... That they want, give them accurate costumes, that's all that the fans really care about anyway. Going this route would actually be a much easier way to tie in movies with Deadpool, and having zero shackles producing Gambit, X-Force, and New Mutants movies.

That's what I would do if I was Fox, and wanted to make that MCU kind of money. I personally would prefer X-Men films stay at Fox and continue on with Singer or Vaughn but it's not going to happen and to be honest, I've been pretty lucky as a fan considering how long this franchise has been going for. Honestly the fatigue has set in with all these superhero movies, Suicide Squad is the only superhero movie coming out that I'm actually excited for.

Just to make it clear, I agree, the MCU has put out plenty of garbage films, but at the end of the day, Fox has to do something drastic with the core X-Men movies if they want to compete with Marvel.

To be honest, I think the main reason I wasn't that excited for Apocalypse was because I was pretty content with DOFP, I almost felt like there was no need to tell anymore stories in the Singerverse, it was a perfect way to wrap up a great franchise.


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[GasparZizou]

I still think they just didn't try with Apocalypse. But that was a very well put together post P.

Man, it's sad, to think they went from this...



To "the third one's always the worst lmao".