X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[jye4ever]

 

[Khev]

Can you guys who put FC in the upper echelon of the X-Men movies tell me why you feel that way. It's a good one, but I just can't put it up there with X2 or DoFP.

For me it's just quality on all levels. A great tone, great production design, great score, Fassbender is a revelation, clever mingling of mutant conflict with real world history, and one of the most iconic scenes of all cbm's with Magneto holding up his hand on the beach. The only strike against the film is the lack of A-list heroes and villains (save Charles and Magneto obviously) due to it being a prequel and not full reboot.

 

[YoNoSe]

I need to revisit FC. I have it on blu but I haven't watched it since the theater.

 

[SNIKT1950]

They're no more or less "safe" than any other PG-ish CBMs.

Shall we compare Kevin Feige's guilty pleasures with Bryan Singer's? I'd rather not.

Are you honestly jabbing the director of THE USUAL SUSPECTS & APT PUPIL, who launched the modern CBM genre, to champion Kevin "I cut the suicide opening from TIH because its too depressing" Feige?

Christ. That alone tells me you don't even realize how absurdly safe Feige's movies are. ****, the guy sends filmmakers running to the hills when they challenge that.

Also, Feige aspires to match the Transformers movies. He doesn't see them as guilty pleasures.

 

[YoNoSe]

Are you honestly jabbing the director of THE USUAL SUSPECTS & APT PUPIL, who launched the modern CBM genre, to champion Kevin "I cut the suicide opening from TIH because its too depressing" Feige?

Christ. That alone tells me you don't even realize how absurdly safe Feige's movies are. ****, the guy sends filmmakers running to the hills when they challenge that.

Also, Feige aspires to match the Transformers movies. He doesn't see them as guilty pleasures.

I'm not championing anyone. I think Bryan Singer can be an excellent filmmaker.

You don't actually know anything about Kevin Feige. You know quotes from articles and observations from bloggers. And from that you have demonized him and go on and on about how inferior everything he touches is.

You're the one cursing and "Christ"ing. You're the one CONFIRMING. It's all very dramatic. But how much of it is based on anything other than your opinion and speculation, while you're telling off people who like something you don't like more than something you do?

 

[Khev]

Are you honestly jabbing the director of THE USUAL SUSPECTS & APT PUPIL, who launched the modern CBM genre

We haven't lived in a "post-X-Men" world for a long time. Spider-Man 2002, Batman Begins, and The Avengers collectively created a cinematic landscape far evolved from what Singer gave us. X-Men does have the distinction of being the first Marvel superhero movie that didn't suck (assuming you don't count Blade) but it was hardly a template that anyone followed.

 

[karamazov80]

karamazov thinks that Michael Jordan is the "McDonald's" of basketball. You know because he was the best, a very consistent player, and people of all ages liked watching him play. He prefers Derrick Rose because his shooting percentage rises and falls like a Brian Singer RT score. Nothing wrong with rooting for someone who goes from 70% to 17% depending on the night I suppose, I just prefer it when those guys are playing for the other team.

Nah, the basketball equivalent of the MCU is more like Lebron James. He's good. Really good. BUT he's never going to be in a conversation as one of the best. He sticks to easy wins (Eastern Conference focus for Lebron, middle of the road action comedies for MCU), and always does well, but is an also-ran in the big picture. Also kind of bland, kids love him, gets a lot of support from front-runners who are just into whatever the crowd is into, but thinks a bit too highly of himself. The FoX-Men basketball player equivalent would be something like Bob Cousy or John Stockton. One of the all-time greats, who is willing to do great work without the flash that others have, and is too often overlooked by those who get attracted to the newest thing and figurative shiny lights. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Can you guys who put FC in the upper echelon of the X-Men movies tell me why you feel that way. It's a good one, but I just can't put it up there with X2 or DoFP.

The only thing really holding it back for me was character selection. I think the better decision would have been a straight up reboot, where they go to '63, and insert the initial X-team, then continue doing movies at 5 year intervals (movie timeline) instead of 10. But, I'm happy with where they went from there, and it was an understandable decision given that they couldn't use characters established elsewhere so much and still have it exist in the same "universe" more or less.

 

[YoNoSe]

Please refrain from MJ/Lebron discussion in the movie section. We've got WWE nicely contained in the Other section.

 

[karamazov80]

Good call there. Apologies to the forum at large.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I'm not championing anyone. I think Bryan Singer can be an excellent filmmaker.

You don't actually know anything about Kevin Feige. You know quotes from articles and observations from bloggers. And from that you have demonized him and go on and on about how inferior everything he touches is.

You're the one cursing and "Christ"ing. You're the one CONFIRMING. It's all very dramatic. But how much of it is based on anything other than your opinion and speculation, while you're telling off people who like something you don't like more than something you do?

You didn't really say anything here, so I'll actually say something:

Joss Whedon. Ava DuVernay. Edgar Wright. Alan Taylor. Patty Jenkins.

Do you see a pattern forming?

No opinion and speculation there, broski. Just a bunch of talented filmmakers who have been vocal about their negative experiences with Marvel Studios (Feige).

I don't know about you, but there's nothing I hate more than a suit like Feige compromising the quality of these films to serve his vision of accessible, generic summer fare for the sole purpose of monetary gain.

Because in the end, despite what the MCU would have you believe, film is an art form first and foremost. The business part is important but should not be the driving force behind the conception of these features.

I don't know exactly when fans of the books began to champion suits in favor of the characters they loved on the page, but I think it began with The Mandarin in IM3. I think that was the first time I encountered alleged fans of Marvel Comics defending Feige's bull**** Mandarin decision and going as far as saying "The Mandarin in the comics sucked anyway".

Weird times that we live in, where a movie called Captain America: Civil War is actually a Tony Stark revenge story with no war and the so-called purists love it anyway.

Makes me miss the days of online bitching about Hugh Jackman's height and black X-Suits.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Please refrain from MJ/Lebron discussion in the movie section. We've got WWE nicely contained in the Other section.

 

[jye4ever]

At least the MCU is on a healthy solid path to IW1/2.

Their double character introduction of Spiderman and Panther were handled properly.

Every one of the other characters were given proper growth in CW.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Their double character introduction of Spiderman and Panther were handled properly.

BP & Spider-Man steal that movie.

At least the MCU is on a healthy solid path to IW1/2. Every one of the other characters were given proper growth.

Can't agree with you there.

But hey, as long as Thanos gets treated well (unlike every villain sans Loki in the MCU) I'll be happy.

He needs to be as large a character as Loki was in Avengers (2012) just much more cerebral and catastrophic. He needs to do irreparable damage to this world and to The Avengers.

 

[jye4ever]

I agree with you there, a whole lot is riding on IW-Thanos delivering the goods.

 

[YoNoSe]

You didn't really say anything here, so I'll actually say something:

I didn't say anything you can refute, I guess.

Joss Whedon. Ava DuVernay. Edgar Wright. Alan Taylor. Patty Jenkins.

Do you see a pattern forming?

No opinion and speculation there, broski. Just a bunch of talented filmmakers who have been vocal about their negative experiences with Marvel Studios (Feige).

Post quotes from every one of those directors who you assert have vocalized their tales of woe. I would be sincerely interested to read each of those accounts you have supposedly formed your opinion from, with no speculation.

I look forward to your fact-based response that backs up your claim.

I don't mean to be a ****, but the rest of your post is just more hyperbolic drivel.

 

[JAWS]

Your planet sentence just made me spit out my snapple.

That is one of the funniest x-men related movie comments I have ever read.

I though you might appreciate that one.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

The only thing really holding it back for me was character selection. I think the better decision would have been a straight up reboot, where they go to '63, and insert the initial X-team, then continue doing movies at 5 year intervals (movie timeline) instead of 10. But, I'm happy with where they went from there, and it was an understandable decision given that they couldn't use characters established elsewhere so much and still have it exist in the same "universe" more or less.

That was a minor issue for me. Havok joining the team before Cyclops is the thing that bugs me the most about the lineup.

For me it's just quality on all levels. A great tone, great production design, great score, Fassbender is a revelation, clever mingling of mutant conflict with real world history, and one of the most iconic scenes of all cbm's with Magneto holding up his hand on the beach. The only strike against the film is the lack of A-list heroes and villains (save Charles and Magneto obviously) due to it being a prequel and not full reboot.

The tone was a miss for me. I felt as though it was too lighthearted in places compared to the Nazi hunting Magneto scenes. None of the real world history stuff felt real to me either so I guess that would be another reason FC isn't in the top tier on my list.

Magneto's relationship with Shaw is cinematic perfection. There are so many layers to it and it basically redefines Magneto as a character.


What FC did with Magneto and Shaw is what Nolan did with Batman and The Joker in TDK. They really went the distance with a comic book character onscreen and pulled it off spectacularly.

Wow. I see your point about Magneto being redefined, but the rest is giving the movie too much credit.

 

[The Ween]

What it actually did, was demonstrate how audiences would rather have popcorn instead of drama.

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[SNIKT1950]

I didn't say anything you can refute, I guess.



Post quotes from every one of those directors who you assert have vocalized their tales of woe. I would be sincerely interested to read each of those accounts you have supposedly formed your opinion from, with no speculation.

I look forward to your fact-based response that backs up your claim.

I don't mean to be a ****, but the rest of your post is just more hyperbolic drivel.

Fact: the studio system sucks. As a fan of cinema you should always side with the auteur, not the suits.

If you think that's "drivel" then more power to you.

I envy people who honestly don't care about the quality of these films and want nothing more than a fun two hours at the movies.

 

[YoNoSe]

Fact: the studio system sucks. As a fan of cinema you should always side with the auteur, not the suits.

If you think that's "drivel" then more power to you.

I envy people who honestly don't care about the quality of these films and want nothing more than a fun two hours at the movies.

So disappointed, I was so excited to read these vocalizations from all these directors who have had such negative experience with Marvel Studios (evil FEIGE).

I hoped it was worse than Joss Whedon's "I created the narrative...‘Well it’s OK, it could be better, but it’s not Joss’ fault’ and I think that did a disservice to the movie, and to the studio and to myself. " and Alan Taylor's "I’ve learned that you don’t make a $170 million movie with someone else’s money and not have to collaborate a lot." Thankfully he got a lot more freedom on his masterpiece, Terminator:Genisys.

I was especially excited to hear from Ava Duvernay who never worked on anything officially and stated "Marvel has a certain way of doing things and I think they’re fantastic and a lot of people love what they do. I loved that they reached out to me."

But you were just making stuff up again. Bummer.