X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[Sweet Rabbit]

This thread is better than the movie

 

[JAWS]

Been reading this and noticed that a devs comment was ignored. Thought it put to rest the "deep" character interaction and building of the X men films.

Yeah I really don't see how the X-men movies have had more teeth than anything in the MCU. The Xavier/Magneto relationship is the same in each and every film and it always seems to end the same no matter what transpired in between. YoNoSe has already mentioned Wolverine. No other character has been of any real note. Mystique is probably the next in line of importance and no one even likes how they've written her or or how she's being played by JLaw.

And if 'teeth' is killing characters off - I give you X-men 3....arguably the least-liked movie in the franchise and so they wrote DOFP to bring everyone back to life.

There's still some excellent films in there, I don't debate that, but I don't see how they're braver movies.

 

[JAWS]

Nah, the basketball equivalent of the MCU is more like Lebron James. He's good. Really good. BUT he's never going to be in a conversation as one of the best. .

I think there are some Marvel Movies that are in the discussion as being the best.

 

[jye4ever]

Been reading this and noticed that a devs comment was ignored. Thought it put to rest the "deep" character interaction and building of the X men films.

Not ignored, I gave high praise for this, a-dev bringing his "a"dev game.

 

[JAWS]

Look Marvel has been far from perfect. But the X-men films have not been perfect with their formula either. Other then the fist film, which I believe was the best dramatically and character interaction wise (the action was pretty bad though) the rest of the films were more or less the same thing. No real growth or moving the story forward. Sure characters (mutants) die but most of them are small characters and there are so many mutants to replace them with nobody really cares.

Personally I like the X-men movies but to act like they are something more then popcorn films themselves is giving them a bit more credit then they deserve. Magneto will lift something big and do something evil and convince others to join him, Charles will get mutants to join him and stop magneto, Humans will always be ass holes, and Wolverine will get his ass kicked by some bigger/badder mutant. Oh and Charles will forgive and forget at the end of the film and Magneto and he will live happily ever after playing their sick twisted (serial killer) type game. Lets face it... At this point Charles is as guilty as Magneto.

Anyways that is the very definition of safe... Just like Marvel keeps doing the same thing over and over so do the X-men. X-men deliver a bit better on the "depressing" side of life and Marvel delivers much better in the Action side of comic book movies.

Personally I feel there is room for both and enjoy them for what they are... Well made pop corn films.. Some of my fav films of all time are well made pop corn films.

 

[Collectorcol]

Quicksilver is quickly becoming my favourite Marvel movie character.
His scenes in this a DoFP are awesome.

Casting for Jean Grey, Cyclops and Nightcrawler was very questionable imo.

 

[jye4ever]

Look Marvel has been far from perfect. But the X-men films have not been perfect with their formula either. Other then the fist film, which I believe was the best dramatically and character interaction wise (the action was pretty bad though) the rest of the films were more or less the same thing. No real growth or moving the story forward. Sure characters (mutants) die but most of them are small characters and there are so many mutants to replace them with nobody really cares.

Personally I like the X-men movies but to act like they are something more then popcorn films themselves is giving them a bit more credit then they deserve. Magneto will lift something big and do something evil and convince others to join him, Charles will get mutants to join him and stop magneto, Humans will always be ass holes, and Wolverine will get his ass kicked by some bigger/badder mutant. Oh and Charles will forgive and forget at the end of the film and Magneto and he will live happily ever after playing their sick twisted (serial killer) type game. Lets face it... At this point Charles is as guilty as Magneto.

Anyways that is the very definition of safe... Just like Marvel keeps doing the same thing over and over so do the X-men. X-men deliver a bit better on the "depressing" side of life and Marvel delivers much better in the Action side of comic book movies.

Personally I feel there is room for both and enjoy them for what they are... Well made pop corn films.. Some of my fav films of all time are well made pop corn films.

Excellent post.

 

[RIDDICK]

"First Class" is the only good X-Men film for me.

TBH I can't understand in what way XII is as good as people say.
It has its moments but overall inferior to X2000 and a bad sequel.

 

[jye4ever]

Well, it does have Rogue doing nothing again.

 

[Collectorcol]

First Class & DofP for me.
Two really enjoyable movies.

 

[filip629]

Please refrain from MJ/Lebron discussion in the movie section. We've got WWE nicely contained in the Other section.

Good call there. Apologies to the forum at large.

 

[bboy]

come on, everytime someone says "magneto just lifts something large and magneto and Xavier become friends again is what every movie is about" I really can't help but roll my eyes. There is clearly more going on. I could say the same thing for any mcu movie by just taking it apart to its simplest aspects.

Btw Magento and Xavier don't become friends after x1, x3, first class, dofp, and I'm pretty sure not after x2 (even though they had to team up at one point). I could be wrong ... but I'm pretty sure.

 

[jye4ever]

NASA does space.
GEICO does car insurance.
Politicians lie.
Xavier and Magneto play chess.

That's what they do.

 

[bboy]

First Class & DofP for me.
Two really enjoyable movies.

recently re-watched first class. Can't say its underrated because it was cirtically successful, but damn did it surprise me how good it was again! Magneto hunting down the Nazi that killed his mom is cinematic gold. And the coin through the head is a great villain defeating moment with out the need of crazy action.

 

[a-dev]

come on, everytime someone says "magneto just lifts something large and magneto and Xavier become friends again is what every movie is about" I really can't help but roll my eyes. There is clearly more going on. I could say the same thing for any mcu movie by just taking it apart to its simplest aspects.

That point was being made in response to accusations of simplicity, lack of depth and lack of stakes against the MCU. The overall point being - it's all the same really.

 

[bboy]

yeah, I'm just saying in general because Ive read that exact statement many many times in this thread. But in terms of what your talking about, what comes close to depth and stakes of first class when magneto kills the guy who killed his mom (shown in the first x-men movie in 2000) when comparing it to the mcu movies? Perhaps starlord with his mom? I don't watch the mcu movies that often so maybe Ive missed them, or maybe it all happened in thor 2 which I skipped.

 

[JAWS]

come on, everytime someone says "magneto just lifts something large and magneto and Xavier become friends again is what every movie is about" I really can't help but roll my eyes. There is clearly more going on. I could say the same thing for any mcu movie by just taking it apart to its simplest aspects.

Btw Magento and Xavier don't become friends after x1, x3, first class, dofp, and I'm pretty sure not after x2 (even though they had to team up at one point). I could be wrong ... but I'm pretty sure.

My point about Magneto and "lifting things" is that it ends up being the "money shots" that the films hang their hats on and they follow the old "bigger is better" sequel way of doing things... Granted it was not done so much in the first two though he did step up from Cars to the X-men stealth plane. Part three it was a bridge... FC was a Submarine, DOFP was a baseball stadium, and the last one was the whole planet. It's not that they are the main "plot points" to the film but there is a paint by numbers formula going on.

As for the friendship... They may not always e best buds but There is a friendship there and forgiveness always seems to be given. Granted its strained in the first three films but Charles wants Magneto to come back. He is always looking for hope when he should be advocating for the death penalty

 

[JAWS]

yeah, I'm just saying in general because Ive read that exact statement many many times in this thread. But in terms of what your talking about, what comes close to depth and stakes of first class when magneto kills the guy who killed his mom (shown in the first x-men movie in 2000) when comparing it to the mcu movies? Perhaps starlord with his mom? I don't watch the mcu movies that often so maybe Ive missed them, or maybe it all happened in thor 2 which I skipped.

Well Thor's mom is killed in part 2... So that is something ... It actually has a better effect on Loki (dramatically) then Thor

I would say that Stark finding out Bucky killed his folks is pretty dramatic and Cap losing everything he cared about is up there with some Drama... Cap is also a wanted fugitive now. None of it is as meaningful as Magneto getting revenge.. But then again a Mutant getting revenge on a human is not what I would call "high stakes"

 

[JAWS]

That point was being made in response to accusations of simplicity, lack of depth and lack of stakes against the MCU. The overall point being - it's all the same really.

Yeah.. That

 

[JAWS]

Excellent post.

Excellent response