Defending it? I haven't F'ing watched it yet, and neither have you. That's why it's hilarious that youre already bashing it after watching a thirty second clip.
I'm "bashing it" based on several trailers and clips actually,(an extended action sequence where he outright steals the money shot from Avengers) and based on the premise that we already got a reboot/retcon and I was looking forward to a sequel to FC and moving on. Instead we have to let Singer have one more crack at fixing what he f'd up and as a result we are getting a lot more of the same. I already saw the friendship origin, I saw Xavier accept his fate and start the X-Men. Why are we seeing it again? Honestly why? You know damn well it's because Singer wants to make a proper ending to the movies he walked away from. I assumed with FC we were past that nonsense.
By the logic that not every movie sequel feels the need to pick and choose what happened in past cannon is ok with this director. By the logic that most franchises aren't so completely run into the ground, they need to pretend multiple movies in the same timeline didn't happen. By the logic that most sequels try to do something differant instead of figuring out new ways to re-cripple the same character multiple times. It's pretty simple really.
Honestly think about how little sense this movie makes. Wolverine needs to go back and convince past Charles to cripple himself again. Why the **** is future Charles crippled and still leading the X-Men?
That still doesn't make sense. This timeline already played out. If no one time traveled back to change the past how did it change?
And prevent seems incorrect. JFK dies irl you know. If anything it's to change who kills him.
And before you try to explain that this was something they didn't know was going to happen yet, Nope. They already have the Sentinel program in place back in the day and a war on mutants is already occuring way earlier then it plays out in the original movies so it still doesn't make sense.
If people believe a mutant killed the president, and that sentinels have existed since the 70s fighting mutants, then the events in X1 and X2 and 3 don't make sense. In those movies Magneto definatley never killed the president. The general public were just becoming aware of Mutants. Did they not print text books or tell any stories of such things for 30 years?
That still doesn't make sense. This timeline already played out. If no one time traveled back to change the past how did it change?
And prevent seems incorrect. JFK dies irl you know. If anything it's to change who kills him.
And before you try to explain that this was something they didn't know was going to happen yet, Nope. They already have the Sentinel program in place back in the day and a war on mutants is already occuring way earlier then it plays out in the original movies so it still doesn't make sense.
What does JFK's assassination have to do with anything? I believe Mystique is trying to assassinate Trask or Nixon, which then sets things in motion causing the sentinels to be mass produced. How can you say something doesn't make sense yet regarding the plot, if you haven't watched the movie yet?
The description on Bishops details him being a soldier who travels multiple timelines fighting wars, maybe him showing up shakes the whole timeline in the future or something, who knows. I'm waiting to see the movie before I start critiquing errors in the script.
If people believe a mutant killed or tryed to kill the president, and that sentinels have existed since the 70s fighting mutants, then the events in X1 and X2 and 3 don't make sense. In those movies Magneto definatley never killed the president.
The general public were just becoming aware of Mutants. Did they not print text books or tell any stories of such things for 30 years?
The description on Bishops details him being a soldier who travels multiple timelines fighting wars, maybe him showing up shakes the whole timeline in the future or something, who knows. ISent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That's not what's happening because Bishop isn't in the past. If he were then that would be the plot, stop and kill Bishop. And it would still affect the way any future timeline plays out if he ultimately altered the past.
Even if he didn't time travel until after the events of X3 he still exists in the past before X1-3 and would alter their timelines. The logic of this movie is in trouble already.
If people believe a mutant killed or tryed to kill the president, and that sentinels have existed since the 70s fighting mutants, then the events in X1 and X2 and 3 don't make sense. In those movies Magneto definatley never killed the president.
The general public were just becoming aware of Mutants. Did they not print text books or tell any stories of such things for 30 years?
That's not what's happening because Bishop isn't in the past. If he were then that would be the plot, stop and kill Bishop. And it would still affect the way any future timeline plays out if he ultimately altered the past.
Even if he didn't time travel until after the events of X3 he still exists in the past before X1-3 and would alter their timelines. The logic of this movie is in trouble already.
On that you got me, the general public shouldn't know in the 70's so that could be a problem, but there's only so much one movie can fix. Hopefully that's addressed, if it's not, then I hope the good far outweighs the continuity issues for me not to care enough about them.
True dat. I can't even be bothered seeing this cluster**** in cinema, should have continued after FC without dragging all the bagagge of the singerverse into it.
Well. . .I'm gonna reserve judgment. You can do time travel stories without being too convoluted or distracting for the viewer, even sophisticated ones at some level. We've seen it with Back to the Future, Terminator, the new Star Trek, and Looper, to name a few. The X-Films are screwed up anyway. If it's a good standalone movie that paves the way for more movies down the road, then I'll be happy. I would assume, however, that they can explain why X1 and X2 (the only non-First Class films I really acknowledge as X-movie canon) don't have reference to the Sentinels, *comic spoiler*
Not reserving judgement is per definition dumb, as you cannot judge well what you haven't seen in the full context that it's meant to. Period. You either judge fairly, or you don't. There's no debate there, just a choice.
I think the only way for this not to become contradictory is that this film will establish an entirely new timeline from the moment onward that Wolverine arrives back in time. Ergo debating what was in past films is I expect a useless thing to do. It won't matter I think. Wolverine will change at the very least Charles, and that will probably ripple through into an entirely nu continuity, and with it we'll be given an opportunity to say goodbye to a cast that was once revolutionary in what it did for it's time. So the story arc seems to imply.
That's what I'm expecting, that's how I'm gonna go into it, and I expect for that alone there will be parts that I genuinely appreciate. Pretty much from a 'this is the true X3' POV.
But Stewart did spoil this for his incarnation of the character which could imply I'm wrong in what I expect:
the golden question of spoiling: will we see you back in sequels? He was asked, and he said that there were no plans for it, but that it was certainly possible. If that is true, this film won't negate a raison d'être for old Xavier.
The most contentious point for me is the new team, the new timeline, how will that be like? And how many new CB material botching will be introduced (like Beast possibly having the ability to morph, which I find a ridiculous excuse to simply have the actor without make up more). That's gonna decide whether I'll have much further engagement with this franchise. But I expect that I'm at least going to appreciate the 'goodbye old cast' aspect of this film, if it's true that that will be a part of it.
Also, Rob Keyes from screen rant tweeted the other day the idea that Cyclops isn't dead, but was zapped away via time travel before Jean could kill him. But I'm not sure if that was just a random thought, or something he could back with legit info.
If people believe a mutant killed or tryed to kill the president, and that sentinels have existed since the 70s fighting mutants, then the events in X1 and X2 and 3 don't make sense. In those movies Magneto definatley never killed the president.
The general public were just becoming aware of Mutants. Did they not print text books or tell any stories of such things for 30 years?
That's not what's happening because Bishop isn't in the past. If he were then that would be the plot, stop and kill Bishop. And it would still affect the way any future timeline plays out if he ultimately altered the past.
Even if he didn't time travel until after the events of X3 he still exists in the past before X1-3 and would alter their timelines. The logic of this movie is in trouble already.
Yeah, whenever I see this movie, I'll just take it for what it is. There's hardly any cohesion in the canon, and the movies don't even bare any resemblance to the comics.
I really wish they would have just gone forward with the first class idea and built on that without involving the X-cast, on one hand it's hard not to be excited in an ADHD sort of way about the mixing of the casts, but I feel like as movie fans were getting bent over on continuing First Class, which is probably my favorite of the entire franchise.
The problem with First Class is that it's script bares no validation anymore if it would've been a proper reboot, because there would've been no reason not to just have the actual first class in there...
So... I agree that I would've loved it if First Class had been a true reboot, but not in the actual state it is now. Havoc should've been Cyclops at the very least and Emma should've been replaced with a different character as well. Sprite should've been Angel, etc.
I mean, if First Class had had the true First Class team of five, and kept most of it intact as it is story-wise, that would've been one of my all time favorite CB films now.
Yeah, whenever I see this movie, I'll just take it for what it is. There's hardly any cohesion in the canon, and the movies don't even bare any resemblance to the comics.
Maybe this will be the reboot ala new 52 style, you know, they mess with time-space and it ends up rebooting the whole thing like in the Flashpoint Paradox? I just hope Jackman isn't the flash in this one I need a new runt.
Maybe this will be the reboot ala new 52 style, you know, they mess with time-space and it ends up rebooting the whole thing like in the Flashpoint Paradox? I just hope Jackman isn't the flash in this one I need a new runt.
Adorable.
I need a new runt.
