X-Men: Days of Future Past

[TheObsoleteMan]

Wouldn't all of these important events from 1973 been mentioned in X1/2/3.

Still doesn't explain how Charles was at the airport in the original timeline.

There is something that i'm missing.

A wizard did it.

 

[JAWS]

Pretty good film not even close to the top of my comic book film list but still a very good film.

I should start off by saying that while I enjoy the X-men movies, I don't love them. They always leave me feeling cold and never have that one great action scene that I love to get from comic based movies. Much of the action seems to be dedicated to Wolverine getting his ass kicked and Magneto doing really cool things. I think I tend to tire of all the different powers also... For every Wolverine, Magneto, and Mystique there is a Banshee, Angel Salvadore, or Kid Omega... Perhaps they translate well in the comics but in the films they only seem to have the power to make my eyes roll.

So I am not trying to start any problems with the Xmen fans here... I do like the films. But I have never been a big X-men comics fan either. So I think that they just don't have the effect on me as some of the other comic based films do.

Top of the heap

X2 - 7.5 out of 10 - Still the best of the lot IMO... Wish the ending was not dedicated to wolverine getting his ass kicked by Lady Deathstrike

Days of Future's Past - 7 out of 10 - Great story. I Wish the Action was a bit more exciting. More Magneto lifting stuff and then him controlling robots.

The Wolverine- Extended cut - 7 out of 10 - Thought the EC was much better... Got to see Wolverine finally kick some ninja ass.

X-Men- 7 out of 10 - This one had some of my fav action... Not on a technical level but Probably because there were fewer mutants and thus I got more invested.... Admittedly this film has not aged well for me... First time viewing I would probably have this rated much higher.

First Class- 6.5 out of 10 - Some of the goofy Mutant powers got to me here and I thought it dragged at times... Magneto kicked ass though.


Middle of the road

Last Stand - 5 out of 10 - Sooo many goofy mutants.... I enjoyed parts of this film and hated other parts... Other then the cool Bridge scene this films climatic battle was pretty bad until Phoenix let loose her powers.... The ending with Magneto at the chess board might be my fav moment in any of the Xmen films.


Bottom of the barrel

X-Men Origins: Wolverine- 3 out of 10 - So much wrong with this film.

 

[a-dev]

Wouldn't all of these important events from 1973 been mentioned in X1/2/3.

Still doesn't explain how Charles was at the airport in the original timeline.

There is something that i'm missing.

The only 1973 event in the original timeline that mattered was Mystique assassinating Trask. My guess is the significance of that event didn't become apparent until after X1-3, explaining why it wouldn't have been mentioned.

The Xavier question amounts to 'how is he alive and back in Patrick Stewart form' pretty much and well, X3 answered that in part.

 

[EVILFACE]

Wasn't blown away, but thought it was pretty good. I like FC and X2 more. The future fights were pretty kewl and with brutal deaths. The use of portals was awesome. The Silver Guy was the best part.

Would still like to know how Charles is in his body after getting ripped apart in X3. I know his mind was transferred to that patients body, but why does he look like Picard?

 

[jye4ever]

The only 1973 event in the original timeline that mattered was Mystique assassinating Trask. My guess is the significance of that event didn't become apparent until after X1-3, explaining why it wouldn't have been mentioned.

The Xavier question amounts to 'how is he alive and back in Patrick Stewart form' pretty much and well, X3 answered that in part.

See below.

I had forgotten about the X3 ending.

Can you blame me.

Wasn't blown away, but thought it was pretty good. I like FC and X2 more. The future fights were pretty kewl and with brutal deaths. The use of portals was awesome. The Silver Guy was the best part.

Would still like to know how Charles is in his body after getting ripped apart in X3. I know his mind was transferred to that patients body, but why does he look like Picard?

This is what i'm trying to figure out as well, thanks Evil.

 

[JAWS]

I never knew that, if that's true, then the X-Men are in trouble haha


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Not 100% sure but I know that Hulks mind has been resistant to mind control before. Plus if the Prof could stop the Hulk then why didn't he??

 

[pturtle]

Not 100% sure but I know that Hulks mind has been resistant to mind control before. Plus if the Prof could stop the Hulk then why didn't he??

And the battle continues haha


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[Hologram AI]

Wouldn't all of these important events from 1973 been mentioned in X1/2/3.

Still doesn't explain how Charles was at the airport in the original timeline.

There is something that i'm missing.

No because the events that have happened in this movie create a new timeline.

There are two separate timelines now.

Timeline #1)
One where the original movie exists. When Mystique kills Trask, it creates the timeline of the original movies. The important events such as Professor X and Eric saving Mystique DON'T happen in this timeline because it's the timeline where Logan isn't sent back to alter it.

So Professor X stays depressed and later on gets his crap together, Eric remains locked up until he escapes on his own somehow and Mystique kills Trask at that board meeting as she intended too. Then Origins of Wol, X 1-3, The Wolverine all happen in that order.

At the end of The Wolverine, Professor X has already came back to life after the events of X3 (as you already know, from that crappy X3 After Credit explanation) and with Eric, meet up with Logan warning that Trask has been building the Sentinels due to what Mystique did in the 70's. Yes, it's not 100% explained how Charles came back to life after X3 but it's basically hinted that he brought himself back to life through the use of his power. Remember, they also don't have the memories of what happened in DOFP because those are different Charles and Eric. The Charles and Eric in X1-3 never came together to save Mystique in the 70's, they did there own thing.

Once Logan is sent back in time in this timeline, this creates a new timeline the moment he wakes up in that girls apartment.

Timeline #2)
In this timeline, with the mind of #1 Timeline Logan in his 70's body, goes and convinces Professor X and Eric to meet up and stop Mystique from killing Trask. This is where the events of DOFP happen. Magneto does his stadium magic, Charles convinces Mystique to not kill Trask, Logans body is retrieved from the water by Mystique disguised as Stryker. It is still unclear if Weapon X happens or not in THIS timeline. Now with his job done, #1 Timeline Logan's mind drops out of the 70's body in the water and goes into limbo. It cannot go to his future body in the original #1 timeline because it's not there anymore due them dying from the Sentinels so his mind automatically goes to this timelines body in 2023, where Professor X kept his promise that he made to Logan on the plane about building the school back and recruiting him and Scott and etc. X1-3 and The Wolverine don't happen in this timeline, it happens in the other timeline, not this one.

In this timeline, the events starting from when Logans body is retrieved from the water to when he wakes up at the school is unclear to us and to the mind of #1 Timeline Logan. Why?

Because once he died in the water, his mind reverted back to his 70 mind, just like the way it did when he was having head trauma from seeing Stryker in the conference room. From the point where he was retrieved in the water, he went on life in his 70's mind, not knowing what just happened. The only people that know of Logan going back in time is Professor X, Magneto, Mystique and Beast in THIS timeline.

Finally in the year 2023, #1 Logans mind enters this timelines body and he's confused because he wasn't living THIS body from the time he died in the water to the time he woke up in 2023 because his mind was in limbo. That's when Professor X says he has to catch him up with what has happened and that he has been waiting for #1 Logan's mind to come back to #2 70's Logan's body.

It may sound confusing but I hope that clears it up a bit for you jye.

 

[Darkseed]

And the battle continues haha


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No battle here......Xmen better than Avengers but I do enjoy Avengers.....

 

[Nipshank]

No because the events that have happened in this movie create a new timeline.

There are two separate timelines now.

Timeline #1)
One where the original movie exists. When Mystique kills Trask, it creates the timeline of the original movies. The important events such as Professor X and Eric saving Mystique DON'T happen in this timeline because it's the timeline where Logan isn't sent back to alter it. So Professor X stays depressed and later on gets his crap together, Eric remains locked up until he escapes on his own somehow and Mystique kills Trask at that board meeting as she intended too. Then Origins of Wol, X 1-3, The Wolverine all happen in that order.
At the end of The Wolverine, Professor X has already came back to life after the events of X3 (as you already know, from that crappy X3 After Credit explanation) and with Eric, meet up with Logan warning that Trask has been building the Sentinels due to what Mystique did in the 70's. Remember, they don't have the memories of what happened in DOFP because those are different Charles and Eric. The Charles and Eric in X1-3 never came together to save Mystique in the 70's, they did there own thing.

Once Logan is sent back in time in this timeline, this creates a new timeline the moment he wakes up in that girls apartment.

Timeline #2)
In this timeline, with the mind of #1 Timeline Logan in his 70's body, goes and convinces Professor X and Eric to meet up and stop Mystique from killing Trask. This is where the events of DOFP happen. Magneto does his stadium magic, Charles convinces Mystique to not kill Trask, Logans body is retrieved from the water by Mystique disguised as Stryker. It is still unclear if Weapon X happens or not in THIS timeline. Now with his job done, #1 Timeline Logan's mind drops out of the 70's body in the water and goes into limbo. It cannot go to his future body in the original #1 timeline because it's not there anymore due them dying from the Sentinels so his mind automatically goes to this timelines body in 2023, where Professor X kept his promise that he made to Logan on the plane about building the school back and recruiting him and Scott and etc.

In this timeline, the events starting from when Logans body is retrieved from the water to when he wakes up at the school is unclear to us and to the mind of #1 Timeline Logan. Why?

Because once he died in the water, his mind reverted back to his 70 mind, just like the way it did when he was having head trauma from seeing Stryker in the conference room. From the point where he was retrieved in the water, he went on life in his 70's mind, not knowing what just happened. The only people that know of Logan going back in time is Professor X, Magneto, Mystique and Beast in THIS timeline.

Finally in the year 2023, #1 Logans mind enters this timelines body and he's confused because he wasn't living THIS body from the time he died in the water to the time he woke up in 2023 because his mind was in limbo. That's when Professor X says he has to catch him up with what has happened and that he has been waiting for #1 Logan's mind to come back to #2 70's Logan's body.

It may sound confusing but I hope that clears it up a bit for you jye.

Timeline 1 Xavier shouldn't have existed in the future, he died in part 3 and no where did they state how he was alive. I let it slide and chalk it up to an entertaining movie and move along...move along.

 

[Hologram AI]

Timeline 1 Xavier shouldn't have existed in the future, he died in part 3 and no where did they state how he was alive. I let it slide and chalk it up to an entertaining movie and move along...move along.

Already mentioned before, he came back to life during the events between X3 and The Wolverine. Is it 100% clear how? No but at the end of X3, his mind has been put into his twin brothers body which is what I think the writers are playing off as canon and not giving a clear explination.

How does it not make sense that his alive in the future in Timeline 1? At the end of The Wolverine, Logan is shocked and mutters "How..?" seeing Professor alive after watching him die in X3, then Professor X says something along the line that he once mentioned to Logan that he's not the only one with gifts, meaning that he brought himself back to life through his use of power. I agree that they should have gave a more clear explanation but it's obvious that he simply brought himself back to life some how between X3 and The Wolverine.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Very good film but where was the epic set piece. Lots of good little ones but nothing that wowed me. Story and characters were great though.

 

[Nipshank]

Yeah still not a fan of how they just bring back characters without an actual answer. He should have remained dead, Wolverine should have been with the young X than when it's all said and done head back into the future and the old X still alive. He wasn't needed in the original future timeline, just sayin.

 

[pturtle]

No battle here......Xmen better than Avengers but I do enjoy Avengers.....

Agreed

 

[jye4ever]

Very good film but where was the epic set piece. Lots of good little ones but nothing that wowed me. Story and characters were great though.

I'm struggling with this as well.

In one sense, i'm just happy that the movie wasn't bad.

That's a win right there.

My one gripe was the same as yours, where is that one epic set piece?

Your Hulk vs Loki, Batman Joker interrogation, Spidey free falling, Godzilla Atomic Breath or Cap vs WS fight.

But now i'm coming to realize that maybe, just maybe, the way the movie was well structured, tense with palpable weight, with it building up to that simultaneous climax IS THE EPIC SET PIECE in itself.

So not just one single item.

The weight of the movie, how it proceeded forward with great acting and writing is the one epic set piece that we can walk away with.

Or so i'm thinking.

I could be wrong.

 

[pturtle]

Very good film but where was the epic set piece. Lots of good little ones but nothing that wowed me. Story and characters were great though.

I really thought the whole 3rd act with the future and past both battling and Singer seamlessly switching between both timelines was incredible, some of the best stuff I’ve ever seen in a superhero movie.

Spoiler

In the past Magneto is pretty much a villain, full of rage still, even almost getting Charles killed, then you have the future, with Mag doing all he can to protect Charles, and they’re both working together. I was at the edge of my seat the whole time.

 

[jye4ever]

No because the events that have happened in this movie create a new timeline.

There are two separate timelines now.

Timeline #1)
One where the original movie exists. When Mystique kills Trask, it creates the timeline of the original movies. The important events such as Professor X and Eric saving Mystique DON'T happen in this timeline because it's the timeline where Logan isn't sent back to alter it. So Professor X stays depressed and later on gets his crap together, Eric remains locked up until he escapes on his own somehow and Mystique kills Trask at that board meeting as she intended too. Then Origins of Wol, X 1-3, The Wolverine all happen in that order.
At the end of The Wolverine, Professor X has already came back to life after the events of X3 (as you already know, from that crappy X3 After Credit explanation) and with Eric, meet up with Logan warning that Trask has been building the Sentinels due to what Mystique did in the 70's. Remember, they don't have the memories of what happened in DOFP because those are different Charles and Eric. The Charles and Eric in X1-3 never came together to save Mystique in the 70's, they did there own thing.

Once Logan is sent back in time in this timeline, this creates a new timeline the moment he wakes up in that girls apartment.

Timeline #2)
In this timeline, with the mind of #1 Timeline Logan in his 70's body, goes and convinces Professor X and Eric to meet up and stop Mystique from killing Trask. This is where the events of DOFP happen. Magneto does his stadium magic, Charles convinces Mystique to not kill Trask, Logans body is retrieved from the water by Mystique disguised as Stryker. It is still unclear if Weapon X happens or not in THIS timeline. Now with his job done, #1 Timeline Logan's mind drops out of the 70's body in the water and goes into limbo. It cannot go to his future body in the original #1 timeline because it's not there anymore due them dying from the Sentinels so his mind automatically goes to this timelines body in 2023, where Professor X kept his promise that he made to Logan on the plane about building the school back and recruiting him and Scott and etc. X1-3 and The Wolverine don't happen in this timeline, it happens in the other timeline, not this one.

In this timeline, the events starting from when Logans body is retrieved from the water to when he wakes up at the school is unclear to us and to the mind of #1 Timeline Logan. Why?

Because once he died in the water, his mind reverted back to his 70 mind, just like the way it did when he was having head trauma from seeing Stryker in the conference room. From the point where he was retrieved in the water, he went on life in his 70's mind, not knowing what just happened. The only people that know of Logan going back in time is Professor X, Magneto, Mystique and Beast in THIS timeline.

Finally in the year 2023, #1 Logans mind enters this timelines body and he's confused because he wasn't living THIS body from the time he died in the water to the time he woke up in 2023 because his mind was in limbo. That's when Professor X says he has to catch him up with what has happened and that he has been waiting for #1 Logan's mind to come back to #2 70's Logan's body.

It may sound confusing but I hope that clears it up a bit for you jye.

Good stuff, it did help.

Thank You

 

[moose]

Very good film but where was the epic set piece. Lots of good little ones but nothing that wowed me. Story and characters were great though.

I had the same feeling it was good,but I think the final set piece was missing since a lot of the action is split between the past and future so as a whole maybe its enough but alone something is missing.

I still dont understand peoples gripe with X men last stand use of too many mutants . Here again he has flooded the movie with mutants I dont mind because I am a comic book fan so I know who they are but for the casual fan it maybe to much

 

[jye4ever]

I'm not entirely content with the future Sentinels height, lack of speech, Mystique's skin etc.

Plus Rogue's power being incorporated into Mystique is also baffling and a slap in the face to Rogue/AP in these series of movies.

 

[The Tuggernaut]

I really thought the whole 3rd act with the future and past both battling and Singer seamlessly switching between both timelines was incredible, some of the best stuff I’ve ever seen in a superhero movie.

Spoiler

In the past Magneto is pretty much a villain, full of rage still, even almost getting Charles killed, then you have the future, with Mag doing all he can to protect Charles, and they’re both working together. I was at the edge of my seat the whole time.

I still had that sense of anticipation and excitement even on my 3rd viewing. Top-notch filmmaking.