X-Men: Days of Future Past

[jye4ever]

Technically no, according to the movie. They stated that Wolverine wouldn't update the timeline in real-time. Everything that happened in the "past" was basically taking place in his head until he woke up in his future body. So apparently the future X-Men at the beginning got lucky by only having to deal with a handful of Sentinels since apparently they could have been overrun by hundreds at any given moment.

Ohhhhh, is that what Kitty explained to him.

I'm liking this movie even more.

 

[Khev]

I'm liking this movie even more.

Me too! Very fun to think about and discuss.

 

[karamazov80]

In the future timeline, they had a lot more than just her blood sample at the beginning of the film, as they had extracted extensive data from experimentations on her.

 

[a-dev]

It was asked earlier why there were no sentinels for seemingly such a long period from the 1970s up to the timeframe of the original films - I think there could have been, there was simply no film based around them and perhaps they were simply not much of a threat to mutants in their early stages. Remember in X3 they battle ''off screen'' sentinels in the danger room? Perhaps these were based on real sentinels they had fought and defeated.

But yeah, still, the movies are ****ed up. Tremendous fun, but ****ed up. The reason it annoys me is I don't think they tried hard enough to make movies that are both tremendous fun and consistent with eachother.

 

[Deckard]

Aren't Sentinels in X3 just special forces guys in somewhat advanced body armor?

I could swear there's a scene where Trask is overseeing them trying to catch Magneto in the woods.

 

[karamazov80]

It is possible that Sentinels existed prior to, or in-between the other X-films. In the comics, they aren't constantly referenced, and they aren't a constant threat. So it could well be the same. And I guess it is also possible that it would take 30+ years for the data obtained from Mystique to actually be converted into the Sentinels we saw in the future.

 

[Khev]

And the Sentinels could be seen as a kind of nuclear weapon. Just because we've had 'em for decades doesn't mean that the situation is ever dire enough to unleash them. Maybe the Sentinels' existence is what kept mutants in the background for so long after 1973 to the point that the public at large started to question their existence (which would allow for some shock at their re-appearance in 2000.)

 

[karamazov80]

Thinking about the comic, and Fox, DOFP could have provided the first hints of an X-Men/FF crossover, by having Franklin Richards among the future mutants. But, chances are they would have to retcon that out at some point later like so many other things, so maybe for the best that it didn't happen

 

[a-dev]

Aren't Sentinels in X3 just special forces guys in somewhat advanced body armor?

I could swear there's a scene where Trask is overseeing them trying to catch Magneto in the woods.

Not that I was aware. Wolverine decapitates a Sentinel in the danger room near the beginning of the film. The base for the Hot Toys Last Stand Wolverine figure?

 

[Hologram AI]

Not that I was aware. Wolverine decapitates a Sentinel in the danger room near the beginning of the film. The base for the Hot Toys Last Stand Wolverine figure?

Couldn't that be taken as a implication that there were Sentinels during the course of X1-3? They had to get the designs and schematics of it from something. Of course you can argue that it's just a random enemy they made for the danger room but it still stands that it was a Sentinel.

There really is no point in trying to fill out plot holes for this franchise simply because there is no solid answers to them besides making answers for them ourselves with what's been given. Still giving them credit for "erasing" the original films and at least starting a clean slate on a new timeline.

 

[karamazov80]

I assumed it was just supposed to be random Danger Room robot who so happened to look like a Sentinel.

 

[Hologram AI]

I assumed it was just supposed to be random Danger Room robot who so happened to look like a Sentinel.

And that's the problem with trying to rationalize plotholes with things that were clearly not intended for that purpose. The Sentinel is the danger room was a Sentinel, that's what they intended it to be when they threw that in there for the movie. You can then argue that there were Sentinels during that timeline because of the one in the danger room but that obviously was not the purpose of it.

 

[Khev]

I say we just let DOFP take off and nuke the first trilogy from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[Hologram AI]

I say we just let DOFP take off and nuke the first trilogy from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

And that's how I took the movie as. Them saying they ****ed up and that they're here to blow it up to cosmic dust to start over. Much easier to work around viewing it that way anyways.

 

[karamazov80]

And that's the problem with trying to rationalize plotholes with things that were clearly not intended for that purpose. The Sentinel is the danger room was a Sentinel, that's what they intended it to be when they threw that in there for the movie. You can then argue that there were Sentinels during that timeline because of the one in the danger room but that obviously was not the purpose of it.

I'm not trying to rationalize that. I fully accept the various inconsistencies here. But when I first saw the movie, that scene didn't make me think that they had actually encountered Sentinels before that point. I thought it was instead, a quick stylistic reference to the Sentinels as fan service.

 

[DiFabio]

Why would anyone want to just forget/erase X-Men and X2? Especially X2. Those were great, especially with the God loves, Man kills story line.

Isn't it possible to enjoy most of them without caring about the continuity? I mean, for a franchise as on going as this one, there are really only two stinkers. The rest range from good to great. I just view them as certain points of storyline, like the comics. To my knowledge, the time line in the books are crazy as well.

 

[karamazov80]

There is a comic book analogy. In general, Marvel has been pretty good at keeping things consistent over the years. But, there are very obvious stylistic and cultural differences that paint newer books in a different light. Susan Storm in 1963 ain't Susan Storm of 2014. Neither is the Professor X who secretly lusted after his teenage student. I doubt Falcon's current history has him wearing bell bottoms and a flamboyant hat during his time as a pimp. Yet I can enjoy the newer and older comics for having those differences.

 

[jye4ever]

Marvel needed to insert additional bromance scenes between Rodgers and Bucky to flesh out their pool party because they obviously felt what was there in TFA was not enough to make us care about Bucky's fall to the darkside.

I hope this post didn't just buy me a 50 Cal to the head, Rambo style, from Khev.

 

[karamazov80]

 

[jye4ever]