X-Men: Days of Future Past

[DiFabio]

This movie suffered the typical prequel BS of major events never being mentioned again in the older movies.

A mutant encapsulated the White House for christs sake on the news prior Mystique changing time.

Never mentioned in X1/2/3.

JLaw is a great Mystique, I could see her becomming the older Mystique.

That's why I don't really like prequels. The filmmakers/writers clearly have new ideas about the material, and yet, refuse to adhere to the world that was already established. Singer even admits it though, but I still don't get why it's so hard to be faithful to what you already made (I'm looking at you George). Atleast First Class and DOFP have actually been great though, unlike most prequels.

Singer established that Xavier and Erik met when they were 17 and they built Cerebro, makes sense. Then X3 and first class changes **** up irredeemably with ages and Beast. Since when has Beast been so important? In X2, Hank hasn't even become Beast yet, but X3 and First Class change it to McCoy being around since the original X-Men team that helped create all this stuff. I thought Cyclops and Jean were Charles' first students?

I dunno, you just got to let it go. None of them really add up. I always liked how the "mutant phenomenon" and awareness came around the time of Senator Kelly in the first film where it was "the not so distant future", but of course, that was dismissed too. Just got to go with the flow I guess.

 

[Deckard]

You know Magneto and PX would've at least shared a joke about it in X1/2/3.

PX: "Hey, remember when you picked up a ****ing stadium and dropped it around the godamn White House on national TV!"

Magneto: "Oh yeah...LOL"

"The giant stadium you saw in the sky was not mutants. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus."

"Bill, how do we move this thing?"

"Just throw a tarp over it."

 

[DiFabio]

I can't

DiFabio scolded me for going overboard.

I never said any such thing!

I implied you were a fiend to the application, nothing more!

 

[jye4ever]

Yea, I forgot Magneto puts a stadium around the White House. I don't think they can cover that one up.



He's not your mother. Sergeant Horvath is your mother. And Darth Vader's your father. And Dredd's the law. Now photoshop me a black Captain America boy.

I LOL so loud at this.

That's why I don't really like prequels. The filmmakers/writers clearly have new ideas about the material, and yet, refuse to adhere to the world that was already established. Singer even admits it though, but I still don't get why it's so hard to be faithful to what you already made (I'm looking at you George). Atleast First Class and DOFP have actually been great though, unlike most prequels.

Singer established that Xavier and Erik met when they were 17 and they built Cerebro, makes sense. Then X3 and first class changes **** up irredeemably with ages and Beast. Since when has Beast been so important? In X2, Hank hasn't even become Beast yet, but X3 and First Class change it to McCoy being around since the original X-Men team that helped create all this stuff. I thought Cyclops and Jean were Charles' first students?

I dunno, you just got to let it go. None of them really add up. I always liked how the "mutant phenomenon" and awareness came around the time of Senator Kelly in the first film where it was "the not so distant future", but of course, that was dismissed too. Just got to go with the flow I guess.

We have officially arrived at the Prostate Health equation of this discussion.

Bend over.

Incoming.

 

[Michael Crawford]

This movie suffered the typical prequel BS of major events never being mentioned again in the older movies.

A mutant encapsulated the White House for christs sake on the news prior Mystique changing time.

Never mentioned in X1/2/3.

JLaw is a great Mystique, I could see her becomming the older Mystique.

Never happened with the X1/2/3 timeline. Mystique was captured after killing Trask in the original timeline. The only reason Magneto dropped the stadium around the White House was because Wolverine going back altered the timeline and she wasn't captured, leading to a variation. That variation didn't exist for X1/2/3.

 

[jye4ever]

"The giant stadium you saw in the sky was not mutants. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus."

"Bill, how do we move this thing?"

"Just throw a tarp over it."

I never said any such thing!

I implied you were a fiend to the application, nothing more!

*runs to find african american midgets.

 

[DiFabio]

You have my permission to shop.

 

[Khev]

He doesn't redirect the same form of energy that is used on him, it is transformed into his own kind of energy that apparently powers his rifle in the movie. I don't know why he specifically was chosen to go back in time, except that it's a reference to him in the comics, where he is primarily a time traveler from the future who works with "modern time" X-Men. Maybe they explained this in the movie and I missed it. They did make reference to the physical toll time travel takes on individuals, so maybe the fact that he could withstand some punishment while absorbing energy was another reason for it.

Aw crap. I was confused as to how Bishop was somehow "pulling the whole team back in time with him" to avoid Sentinel attacks and I now realize I was way overcomplicating things in my own head. Bishop was the only one going into the past, and then he'd simply warn everyone else verbally when he got there. Duh.

 

[karamazov80]

Correct, based on my interpretation. Kitty was the only one that seemed to have the power to send people back. Bishop's mind took over his previous self to warn the others, same as Wolverine.

 

[Khev]

You know Magneto and PX would've at least shared a joke about it in X1/2/3.

PX: "Hey, remember when you picked up a ****ing stadium and dropped it around the godamn White House on national TV!"

Magneto: "Oh yeah...LOL"

Why would that be a joke in X1? That would have been the first timeline where young Magneto was never tipped off about Trask's Sentinels by a time-traveling Wolverine and therefore THAT past wouldn't have had a stadium surrounding the White House.

Complaining about that would be like complaining that the George McFly in the beginning of Back to Future didn't make a joke about punching Biff when he was a kid. Prior to Marty's time travel, he HADN'T punched Biff.

 

[karamazov80]

I saw BTTF in the theater last night. . .just want to rub everyone else's nose in it. Please proceed with your discussion.

 

[pturtle]

The Jen Lawrence's Mystique doesn't have to be like Rebecca's Mystique since she avoided captivity and torture. That part at least has been retconned.


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[jye4ever]

Why would that be a joke in X1? That would have been the first timeline where young Magneto was never tipped off about Trask's Sentinels by a time-traveling Wolverine and therefore THAT past wouldn't have had a stadium surrounding the White House.

Complaining about that would be like complaining that the George McFly in the beginning of Back to Future didn't make a joke about punching Biff when he was a kid. Prior to Marty's time travel, he HADN'T punched Biff.

Crawford beat you to it.

Nah, I don't buy it, Magneto attacked the WH anyways, you know he did.

 

[jye4ever]

You have my permission to shop.

I made the mistake of telling my wife that last weekend while in Manhattan.

 

[jye4ever]

Trying to sort it all out.


Mystique killing Trask and caught = Public support for Sentinel program and mutant extermination, white house never attacked?


Mystique not killing Trask in France and escaping while bleeding = Sentinel creation anyways and Trask having DNA to make them better, white house attacked and president-trask killed by Magneto and Mystique supports Magneto causing public support for Sentinel program and mutant extermination. Government zero relationship with X-Men.


Mystique not killing Trask in France and escaping while bleeding = Sentinel creation anyways and Trask having DNA to make them better, white house attacked and president not killed by Magneto and Mystique does not support Magneto so no public support for Sentinel program and mutant extermination. Government recruits X-Men for help against Magneto.


Yikes, my poor head.

 

[Khev]

There are no "Nixon gets killed" timelines. The only timelines were the original one and the one that became permanent when Wolverine woke up in the future.

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, there were only two possibilities outlined in Days of Future Past. If Mystique had killed Trask after Mags dropped the stadium around the White House, then that would have been the alternative to the initial timeline we saw with the Sentinels in the future.

 

[jye4ever]

There are no "Nixon gets killed" timelines. The only timelines were the original one and the one that became permanent when Wolverine woke up in the future.

Yeah, I know i'm wrong, i'm just not good at accepting defeat.


Be it that i've been married for 12 years you think I would be used to it by now.

Yeah, there were only two possibilities outlined in Days of Future Past. If Mystique had killed Trask after Mags dropped the stadium around the White House, then that would have been the alternative to the initial timeline we saw with the Sentinels in the future.

So when the future Sentinel output (attack) increased exponentially during the final attack, that was because Trask got her blood sample.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, I know i'm wrong, i'm just not good at accepting defeat.


Be it that i've been married for 12 years you think I would be used to it by now.

So when the future Sentinel output (attack) increased exponentially during the final attack, that was because Trask got her blood sample.

Technically no, according to the movie. They stated that Wolverine wouldn't update the future in real-time. Everything that happened in the "past" was basically taking place in his head until he woke up in his future body. So apparently the future X-Men at the beginning got lucky by only having to deal with a handful of Sentinels since apparently they could have been overrun by hundreds at any given moment.

I actually would have preferred that they would have allowed Wolverine to create an instant "butterfly effect" with every action in the past as far as the future team was concerned but I'm guessing the writers felt that that'd be too much for them to bite off.

 

[karamazov80]

I don't think so, I just think the powers that control the Sentinels figured more reinforcements were needed, as there were more mutants to attack, and heavier hitters like Storm and Magneto--assuming Sentinels could gauge power levels.