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I want a ZS episode of Mando or a full length movie!

Cavill as Sith Biggeth!

I want more luke skywalker in mando to hell with kk. When are they casting sabastain stan for the luke skywalker series- they need to forget falcon/winter soldier and focus on making that before he gets too old. We need more luke kicking *** as a jedi in his black robes that scene was ****ing awesome. Ive watched it so many times, it always brings a smile to my face and never gets old.
 
One of the best movies ever

1. The Dark Knight

The Great

2. The Dark Knight Rises
3. Batman Begins
4. Batman Returns
5. Joker
6. Superman

The Good

7. Batman 89
8. Superman 2
9. Wonder Woman

The Pop Corn Flicks

10. Batman Forever
11. Batman and Robin
12. Shazam


The Trash

14. Aquaman
15. BvS
16. MoS
17. ZSJL
18. WW84
19. Harley Quinn BOP
20. Suicide Squad
21. Green Lantern
22. Josstice League
 
For me, the best DC movie is a hard toss between The Dark Knight & Batman Begins.

It's hard to choose between those 2, just like the original Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back as the best SW movie. If the 1st wasn't successful, we wouldn't have had the 2nd.

For me, there are really only a handful of genuinely good DC movies.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. Man Of Steel
4. Superman 1
5. Superman 2
6. Watchmen

Burtons '89 Batman & Batman returns were good flicks, but they just don't stand the test of time. I loved them back when, but watching them today for me they are pretty hokey.

How come Catwoman isn't in anyone's top 5?? :rotfl
 
As much as I love most of the MCU movies let’s just face it TWS is the best superhero movie ever.

CW/Avengers/IW are not far behind

Let’s face it if not for Joker in TDK that movie would not hold up.
 
As much as I love most of the MCU movies let’s just face it TWS is the best superhero movie ever.

CW/Avengers/IW are not far behind

Let’s face it if not for Joker in TDK that movie would not hold up.

If not for Captain America TWS would not hold up.

If not for Vader ESB would not hold up.
 
I had a freaking blast watching that entire 4 hours...twice now! :yess:

I just finished watching the full four hours again last night too. I still spread it out over several nights and that's probably how I'll always watch it.

I *love* this film.

There's so much I love about this movie it'll be hard to express everything just because there's so much spread out over the entire four hours but here goes with a few:

1. The 6 chapters (plus epilogue) combined with the 4:3 aspect ration REALLY takes me back to those big TV miniseries "events" in the early 80's like Shogun. That makes this feel more "special" and super nostalgic.

And I really love the IMAX ratio. Yeah it's funny to be watching something with black bars on the sides but usually we have black bars on the top and bottom so a picture that doesn't perfectly fit our living room TV's is nothing new. What I *hate* is information being lost due to cropping and since 4:3 is how he framed and composed the shots that's what I want to see. It still pisses me off that we have to watch IW and EG as freaking pan & scan movies at home. :slap

The vertical space is very well used and highlights the towering buildings (skyscapers, Greek and underwater pillars) and heroes very well. I love it. And the overall look and cinematography puts most other superhero flicks (and certainly every MCU movie) to shame.

2. I love all the little moments that allow this film to breathe and us to get to know the characters and more of the world they live in. Even the stuff that makes me chuckle like the sweater sniffing/singing and epic pouring of Lois' latte, lol. I love it all. Barry's extended intro, Victor's full backstory and scenes of him using his manipulation of cyberspace to help families in need, all the little moments like Bruce and Diana's hands touching on the mouse pad and Alfred showing her how to make tea. I wouldn't have wanted any of that stuff cut out.

3. The theme of "second chances" that permeates through the entire film, both within the context of the story and the production of this particular cut in the real world. Not just Supes coming back to life but Victor reconciling with his dad, Bruce recruiting a new boy wonder and getting faith that things will work out which he probably didn't have since he was a child, Diana bonding with a new pilot and hints of a potential romance between her and Bruce and of course the ultimate second chance with Barry reversing time at the end. I did chuckle that Supes ended up being resurrected twice in one movie as a result of that, lol. Just great all around feels that I pretty much always want in a larger than life superhero movie, no matter how dire the stakes.

4. The action is just top notch throughout and despite the insane run time I never find myself checking my watch waiting for the good stuff to happen. It's all good stuff. Like I said earlier interesting quiet moments and character development with just enough action to consistently break it up.

5. Steppenwolf is awesome in this movie. His look, voice, and speeches remind me of Darkness from Ridley Scott's Legend making him both interesting to watch on screen and really fun to root against. He's a real powerhouse cutting through the Amazons and Atlaneans to the point where I found myself feeling kind of bad for those who couldn't escape his brutality.

6. Darkseid is cool. I saw a while back that there was some criticism leveled against him for being shown to lose his first on-screen battle but he was still kicking *** left and right and singlehandedly took out a Lantern before being overwhelmed so I don't consider his intro to be any worse than Sauron's defeat at the beginning of FOTR.

7. Knightmare. Wow, what can I say about this sequence that hasn't already been said. One of the best back and forths between Batman and Joker EVER. Other than the dumb reach around line it was pretty much perfect. I love that both got in each other's heads which you don't usually see, normally it's just one or the other getting the upper hand with the mind****. But no Joker was pushing all of Bruce's buttons and Bruce clearly rattled Joker with his pledge to fulfill Harley Quinn's dying promise. And then of course to save face for his reaction the Joker had to quickly play it off as if Bruce was bluffing. GREAT stuff.

Also there's something poignantly "meta" about the whole Knightmare epilogue, especially now that I know that it was filmed recently and not part of the original production shoot. That means that all the actors themselves were really in different places in their own lives as well, having suffered through any number of global and personal issues. A worldwide pandemic, lapses back into rehab, the ****storm that Amber Heard brought on herself, Leto getting unceremoniously ignored by Birds of Prey and upstaged by Phoenix, Ezra's Irish choking controversy, and of course Zack's own tragedy of losing his daughter and then having a usurper butcher his work. We really were watching a group of people who'd been through the ringer, both due to outside global events, poor choices, and personal tragedies. It gave the entire hellscape sequence just that extra level of authenticity that was impossible to ignore.

But I also like that you kind of *can* ignore it as a dreamlike "worst case scenario" that doesn't have to play out exactly the way that we saw. That somehow with the team's newfound unity, extra assistance from the likes of Martian Manhunter and others, and knowing in advance that "Lois is the key" that maybe it will all be avoided. I'm a sap when it comes to these things so I like to have that happy ending option for my own head canon. :)

When it's all said and done I just like being in this world and experiencing the ups and downs and ultimate triumphs beautifully captured on screen. That freeze frame moment of the the team in mid leap surrounding the charging batmobile put a smile on my face like few superhero films have.

Sure it'd be cool to see more Knightmare stuff but like the T2 future war I can be content with what we got. At least the promise of that war will never be screwed up or betrayed. I like that Snyder's DCEU is so accessible. Three movies, a single trilogy, done. Or an expanded trilogy if you want to cherry pick the first WW or Aquaman or what have you. Otherwise I'm totally fine with the Snyderverse ending on this awesome high note. This was a great win for "what could have been" and for a guy and his family who went through absolute hell and still stuck the landing in the end.
 
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I think Aladdin holds up without the genie.

:lol :lol

I just finished watching the full four hours again last night too. I still spread it out over several nights and that's probably how I'll always watch it.

I *love* this film.

There's so much I love about this movie it'll be hard to express everything just because there's so much spread out over the entire four hours but here goes with a few:

1. The 6 chapters (plus epilogue) combined with the 4:3 aspect ration REALLY takes me back to those big TV miniseries "events" in the early 80's like Shogun. That makes this feel more "special" and super nostalgic.

And I really love the IMAX ratio. Yeah it's funny to be watching something with black bars on the sides but usually we have black bars on the top and bottom a picture that doesn't perfectly fit our living room TV's is nothing new. What I *hate* is information being lost due to cropping and since 4:3 is how he framed and composed the shots that's what I want to see. It still pisses me off that we have to watch IW and EG as freaking pan & scan movies at home. :slap

The vertical space is very well used and highlights the towering buildings (skyscapers, Greek and underwater pillars) and heroes very well. I love it. And the overall look and cinematography puts most other superhero flicks (and certainly every MCU movie) to shame.

2. I love all the little moments that allow this film to breeze and us to get to know the characters and more of the world they live in. Even the stuff that makes me chuckle like the sweater sniffing/singing and epic pouring of Lois' latte, lol. I love it all. Barry's extended intro, Victor's full backstory and scenes of him using his manipulation of cyberspace to help families in need, all the little moments like Bruce and Diana's hands touching on the mouse pad and Alfred showing her how to make tea. I wouldn't have wanted any of that stuff cut out.

3. The theme of "second chances" that permeates through the entire film, both within the context of the story and the production of this particular cut in the real world. Not just Supes coming back to life but Victor reconciling with his dad, Bruce recruiting a new boy wonder and getting faith that things will work out which he probably didn't have since he was a child, Diana bonding with a new pilot and hints of a potential romance between her and Bruce and of course the ultimate second chance with Barry reversing time at the end. I did chuckle that Supes ended up being resurrected twice in one movie as a result of that, lol. Just great all around feels that I pretty much always want in a large than life superhero movie, no matter how dire the stakes.

4. The action is just top notch throughout and despite the insane run time I never find myself checking my watch waiting for the good stuff to happen. It's all good stuff. Like I said earlier interesting quiet moments and character development with just enough action to consistently break it up.

5. Steppenwolf is awesome in this movie. His look, voice, and speeches remind me of Darkness from Ridley Scott's legend making him both interesting to watch on screen and really fun to root against. He's a real powerhouse cutting through the Amazons and Atlaneans to the point where I found myself feeling kind of bad for those who couldn't escape his brutality.

6. Darkseid is cool. I saw a while back that there was some criticism leveled against him for being shown to lose his first on-screen battle but he was still kicking *** left and right and singlehandedly took out a Lantern before being overwhelmed so I don't consider his intro to be any worse than Sauron's defeat at the beginning of FOTR.

7. Knightmare. Wow, what can I say about this sequence that hasn't already been said. One of the best back and forths between Batman and Joker EVER. Other than the dumb reach around line it was pretty much perfect. I love BOTH got in each other's heads which you don't usually see, normally it's just one or the other getting the upper hand with the mind****. But no Joker was pushing all of Bruce's buttons and Bruce clearly rattled Joker with his pledge to fulfill Harley Quinn's dying promise. And then of course to save face for his reaction the Joker had to quickly play it off as if Bruce was bluffing. GREAT stuff.

Also there's something poignantly "meta" about the whole Knightmare epilogue, especially now that I know that it was filmed recently and not part of the original production shoot. That means that all the actors themselves were really in different places in their own lives as well, having suffered through any number of global and personal issues. A worldwide pandemic, lapses back into rehab, the ****storm that Amber Heard brought on herself, Leto getting unceremoniously ignored by Birds of Prey and upstaged by Phoenix, Ezra's Irish choking controversy, and of course Zack's own tragedy of losing his daughter and then having a usurper butcher his work. We really were watching a group of people who'd been through the ringer, both due to outside global events, poor choices, and personal tragedies. It gave the entire hellscape sequence just that extra level of authenticity that was impossible to ignore.

But I also like that you kind of *can* ignore it as a dreamlike "worst case scenario" that doesn't have to play out exactly the way that we say. That somehow with the team's newfound unity, extra assistance from the likes of Martian Manhunter and others, and knowing in advance that "Lois is the key" that maybe it will all be avoided. I'm a sap when it comes to these things so I like to have that happy ending option for my own head canon. :)

When it's all said and done I just like being in this world and experiencing the ups and downs and ultimate triumphs beautifully captured on screen. That freeze frame moment of the the team in mid leap surrounding the charging batmobile put a smile on my face like few superhero films have.

Sure it'd be cool to see more Knightmare stuff but like the T2 future war I can be content with what we got. At least the promise of that war will never be screwed up or betrayed. I like that Snyder's DCEU is so accessible. Three movies, a single trilogy, done. Or an expanded trilogy if you want to cherry pick the first WW or Aquaman or what have you. Otherwise I'm totally fine with the Snyderverse ending on this awesome high note. This was a great win for "what could have been" and for a guy and his family who went through absolute hell and still stuck the landing in the end.

:clap :clap
 
Well said Khev, really enjoyed reading your write up. I missed that point about the nightmare scenario that all the actors in real life were seeking some small measure of redemption themselves (Fisher as well with that whole controversary and even Cavill with moustache gate and then being replaced by the new superman project).

The dialogue between Joker and Batman sprinkled enough nuggets of their history that it allowed me to recontextualise Batman in BVS and understand how he ended up in that place and his arc between both movies was so much more satisfying as a result.

I didn't think I would like this movie and wanted to see it more out of intrigue and curiosity for what could have been than anything else. I really disliked Josstice league and Man of Steel and BVS were both bittersweet to me so I would not in anyway describe myself as a 'cultist' haha but I am a card carrying long suffering DC fan.

I've always felt that Man of Steel and BVS were plagued with third act disappointments, were crowded (shoehorning in new characters) and the characterisation of the batman, superman, Luthor didn't always work for me - but the Snyder Cut didn't make any of these mistakes. If anything, I appreciated more the arcs that Batman and Superman (and Luthor having is head fixed in arkham haha) went on in the trilogy as whole.

Too early to rank this amongst superhero movies for me (need to see it a few more times) but it is going to end up near the top half of the table for sure.
 
Reminds me how much I enjoyed Superman 2. The introduction of other equals to Superman was great and made for fun battle scenes...

If i had ranked these movies when i was younger superman 2 would have been at the top of the list but after seeing the donner cut it sort of tarnished the theatrical version of the movie for me. The scene where he chose to give up his powers was handled so much better in the donor cut, they should have kept Jor'el in it. They also made some really stupid choices such as giving supes really lame powers (throwing the s shield) and the effects throughout the film especially the final metropolis battle dont hold up very well anymore- same can be said for lex's gauntlet scene in STM. Not to mention all zod wanted was for people to Kneel before him, the zod in Mos wanted to wipe out the entire human race.
 
7. Knightmare. Wow, what can I say about this sequence that hasn't already been said. One of the best back and forths between Batman and Joker EVER. Other than the dumb reach around line it was pretty much perfect. I love that both got in each other's heads which you don't usually see, normally it's just one or the other getting the upper hand with the mind****. But no Joker was pushing all of Bruce's buttons and Bruce clearly rattled Joker with his pledge to fulfill Harley Quinn's dying promise. And then of course to save face for his reaction the Joker had to quickly play it off as if Bruce was bluffing. GREAT stuff.

It's actually a good scene, but it doesn't fit in the film, especially at the end?

As for Joker saving face, I looked at it differently. He was clearly rattled, but it was almost like he was offended or like Batman hurt his feelings by talking to him in that manner, something he's not used to, because I think when Joker called himself Bruce's "best friend," he actually meant it. In his own way, the idea that Batman would kill him is like a a betrayal.

It's a cool scene, the blurry moments, the music, it's cool and I want more in the universe, but it serves no purpose in the JL film.
 
6. Darkseid -- I saw a while back that there was some criticism leveled against him for being shown to lose his first on-screen battle -- I don't consider his intro to be any worse than Sauron's defeat at the beginning of FOTR.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Many "Return of Evil" stories start with Evil being cast out... very Biblical.




Regarding the BEST of DC (and Marvel) I would have to agree with the majority also:

Marvel: The Winter Soldier

DC: The Dark Knight


They even have the same ring to their titles.
 
It's actually a good scene, but it doesn't fit in the film, especially at the end?

As for Joker saving face, I looked at it differently. He was clearly rattled, but it was almost like he was offended or like Batman hurt his feelings by talking to him in that manner, something he's not used to, because I think when Joker called himself Bruce's "best friend," he actually meant it. In his own way, the idea that Batman would kill him is like a a betrayal.

It's a cool scene, the blurry moments, the music, it's cool and I want more in the universe, but it serves no purpose in the JL film.

Clown-El........No!
 
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