Zack Snyder's Justice League

[jye4ever]

Well, I'd say that's that. Too bad...I liked it a lot and was hoping to see it continue on the streamer. Instead, we'll end up with more disjointed movies, driven by big deals and agendas. WB is the worst home for DC. It was just refreshing to see movies in this genre that were artist-driven, even if every choice the artist made didn't hit the mark. Those days seem to be gone with all of the franchises.

I know Godzilla vs Kong is a big hit in here, but I couldn't make it through it. Pretty but it just evaporated as I watched. But that's what makes success now. Oh well.

At least we got to see Snyder finish his part 1 of JL.

Gvk was complete forgettable trash not even the fights can save that movie.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap they are reporting that HBOMAX alone only has 20 million subscribers

That is AFTER WW84/ZSJL/GvK!

That is insanely bad.

Even Gamestop is doing better lol

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Holy crap they are reporting that HBOMAX alone only has 20 million subscribers

That is AFTER WW84/ZSJL/GvK!

That is insanely bad.

Even Gamestop is doing better lol

To be fair 2 of those movies were terrible so i am not surprised the needle hasnt moved much, its also still a relatively new service. It probably didnt help that they didnt have 4k in the beginning or that fact that HBO go sucked for content so it probably left a bad taste in peoples mouths. They need to keep up quality content in order to get more subscribers- People arent going to pay 15 a month to watch 1 good movie and 2 terrible ones. Other than those 3 movies max doesnt offer any new content at this time- no exclusive shows no nothing. I have hbo max and the only things i have watched are those 3 movies, they have nothing else but DC's catalog of movies that most people already own on disk or digital

 

[jye4ever]

I even own Spawn animated lol

 

[ZombieRepublican]

Meanwhile....

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/22/zack-snyders-justice-league-did-little-to-boost-hbo-max-subscriptions.html

Sorry Snyder fans.... But it seems this little experiment did jack **** to get new subscribers.

This article doesn?t say a single negative thing about the SnyderCut. In fact it?s about as vague as it?s always been.

The only quote in the SnyderCut

The Snyder Cut, which did not follow this strategy and was an exclusive launch on HBO Max, was expected to also help drive subscriber growth. Particularly, after the company shelled out an estimated $30 million to $70 million on reshoots and post-production.

WarnerMedia declined to comment on the project?s financial terms.

?It?s a marathon, but I didn?t think a ton of people would sign up for $15 a month to watch a movie,? said Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush. ?So as long as they are growing, I think they are on the right path.?

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[ironwez20]

I don't know where you guys get the idea that it did "jack **** to get new subscribers" or was a failure...

The article says GvK is the biggest box office hit, and both it and WW84 were big hits on HBOMax, followed by ZSJL. How does that equate to "failure"? In fact, the analyst they interview questions the wisdom of the GvK strategy and says that he doubts people pay 15 bucks for just one movie... i.e., people pay those 15 bucks for the expectation of what content is coming. And let's not forget that WB released some very fishy numbers and statistics regarding the GvK release, some of which directly contradicted each other and basically made no sense at all (like not counting the correct day ZSJL was released, or counting GvK's numbers before its actual day of release)... At any rate, all the buzz Snyder's movies get will not go unnoticed for any investor, and if the subscription numbers are going up, everybody's happy. And lastly, it's disingenuous at best to think that the ZSJL did not have a hand in growing those subscription numbers.
Whether that means Snyder will be called back to make more movies/series in the DCEU remains to be seen, but the "Snyder-verse" is alive and well: the Flash movie with Miller is going ahead, Gal Gadot is still Wonder Woman, Jason Momoa is still Aquaman... hell, even Margot Robbie is still Harley Quinn and Will Smith's Headshot hasn't been recast. Affleck is coming back for the Flash movie and the new Superman isn't Kal-El, so technically Cavill is still Superman. Oh, and Levi is still Shazam... So, yeah, the Snyder-verse lives on.

What seems clear is that there's a huge tug of war between Team Snyder and Team Not-Snyder in the AT&T/WB/HBOMax family that is muddying the waters regarding the "performance" of ZSJL.

Uh huh. Yea that flash movie is being made to retcon stuff. The JL that people want to see is done.

 

[matticus]

Uh huh. Yea that flash movie is being made to retcon stuff. The JL that people want to see is done.

The worst thing Snyder did was let Flash run like he does. If you ran like that anywhere in this world, people would fall on the ground laughing at how dumb you look. I hope the direction for the new one nixes that right off the bat and has the Flash run like a normal human being.

 

[loki2371]

I don't know where you guys get the idea that it did "jack **** to get new subscribers" or was a failure...

Well, lets look at the facts stated in the article to make an educated assumption...

First, the article states, as reported by AT&T, that only 2.7 million subscribers joined HBOMax during its first quarter of the year (a 3 month period). Now in no way can one assume all 2.7mil NEW subscribers joined just for the sole purpose to watch the ZSJL. As a comparison, last December (a single month) D+ had 8.1mil new subscribers in December alone when Mando s2 launched.

Second, the article states, "Godzilla vs. Kong," which was released on the last day of the quarter, drew the largest audience on HBO Max. That means in 1 day more people watched Godzilla vs Kong than the entirety of views for the 2 week period prior for the ZSJL cut release.

The whole point of greenlighting the ZSJL was to increase subscriber base. It clearly failed to make much of an impact.

Again, Godzilla vs Kong had more views in 1 day than the ZSJL had in 2 weeks.

 

[jye4ever]

No way to spin this in any positive manner ZSJL did almost nothing for WB even Grace called it a failure lol

 

[The Buffinator]

No way to spin this in any positive manner ZSJL did almost nothing for WB even Grace called it a failure lol

WB forgot to market to its obvious target audience - insomniacs. Anyone having trouble sleeping, just cue up ZSJL at @10pm. A sure fire remedy.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Dont forget that hbo max is only in the us compared to all other streaming servies like disney plus and netflix which are worldwide. You cannot really compare hbo max subscriptions to any of the other streaming services. To know how much zsjl brought in you would have to factor in the revenue generated from all outlets worldwide it was streamed on and warner is not reporting how much it made from these other streaming services. They just want this world to disappear because it reminds them of their big mistake and makes them look bad but shareholders wont allow that to happen if it made money. They are privy to this information we are not.

“ The biggest difference between HBO Max and other players is that it currently only operates its streaming video on-demand service in the usa. In a crowded streaming world, HBO Max is holding its own against global platforms like Netflix and Disney+.
So while Netflix, which has been steadily growing for years, added nearly 4 million global subscribers during the same period, it only added about 450,000 subscribers in the U.S. and Canada. The company has around 207.6 million total global subscribers.

Similarly, Disney doesn't break out its U.S. subscribers, only offering a global user total. The company won't reveal its subscriber growth for the three-month spread between January and March until May, but during the previous three-month period, it added 21.2 million new accounts globally.

At the end of Disney's first quarter ended Dec. 31, it had 94.9 million subscribers. The company updated that figure on March 9, saying it had surpassed 100 million subscribers worldwide. Notably, Disney released the Marvel series "WandaVision" on Jan. 15.

At first glance, WarnerMedia seems to falling behind the pack. In total, HBO Max and HBO have a combined 44.2 million subscribers domestically, up from the 41.5 million reported at the end of the fourth quarter. Globally, the services have less than 64 million subscribers.


However, the company is expected to expand its product more widely this year and has already increased its subscriber expectations, predicting between 120 million and 150 million global users for HBO Max and HBO by the end of 2025.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...id-little-to-boost-hbo-max-subscriptions.html

 

[abake]

Well, the numbers say that since the announcement of ZSJL, through this second quarter, the subscriptions have steadily risen for HBOMax/HBO, counting only the US, so clearly something is working for them. The figure given for GvK (which probably was a hit anyway) was misleading, as (at least the chart I saw) they started counting from before the movie was even released. And keep in mind, in their official presentation they put ZSJL alongside GvK, The Mare of Easttown and The Nevers. I really doubt it would be up there together with their avowed hit, a prestige project and their new feminist flagship, to boast in front of their insider presentation to the money people if it hadn't performed for them.

Look, I'm not blindly defending ZSJL, or saying it was the greatest hit ever, but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to say it was a failure. And as much as I actually like and usually believe Grace Randolph's take on things, I think she didn't really think those numbers through when she did her analysis. The numbers don't mean ZSJL didn't work, they mean, actually, that their year-on subscription rate is climbing steadily, that US-only numbers can't be compared to worldwide numbers, and that the top Brass must be pretty happy because they revised their subscription estimates up.

As for the Flash movie "retconning" stuff, well... it's always been billed as the opening to the multiverse that brings everything together, so what's the news there? Supposedly it still has Batfleck in it, so that's still "Snyderverse". Again, one thing is whether Zack Snyder will come to direct more movies/series for the DCEU, and it's another completely different that the universe he created will "disappear". That can't happen unless you recast the entire cast of superheroes... So, will Snyder get to do JL2 and 3? I don't know, probably not. Will he get to stay on as producer for other movies? No idea... maybe? Do JL2 and 3 equate Snyderverse? Uh, no, I don't believe they do.

 

[punisher1974]

I even own Spawn animated lol

Me too and watch it once a year.

 

[Rainpaulo]

Well if the Synder-verse is done I be dissapointed.
However I'm delighted we got ZSJL. Perfect ending to what ti me was an awesome Trilogy. Hopefully the next Batman film can give us such a good on screen Batman.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Holy crap they are reporting that HBOMAX alone only has 20 million subscribers

That is AFTER WW84/ZSJL/GvK!

That is insanely bad.

Even Gamestop is doing better lol

No way to spin this in any positive manner ZSJL did almost nothing for WB even Grace called it a failure lol

 

[Rainpaulo]

HBO Max cannot compete when it's only available in the US of A.
Batsh$t crazy.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Pretty damn good:
(Cavills hair line not withstanding)

 

[jye4ever]

In just one day WB retweeted a person making fun of ZSJL being viewed less than WW84/GvK/MK then WB released a trailer for 4K Josstice League!

They are being blasted lol

The guy who did the voice for Darkseid even blasted them on social media lol

 

[e30ernest]

In just one day WB retweeted a person making fun of ZSJL being viewed less than WW84/GvK/MK then WB released a trailer for 4K Josstice League!

They are being blasted lol

The guy who did the voice for Darkseid even blasted them on social media lol

They truly are out of touch with their audience/fans.

 

[matticus]

Tone deaf.