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Re: Zack Snyder's Justice League coming in 2021

Superman is much more difficult to write a good story for than batman. Even though I way prefer superman as a character, my comic book collection has many more batman issues than superman because most superman stories are fairly lame, poorly thought out and try to match him up and with an equally impossibly strong villain to punch.

Writers for superman seem struggle to come up with any meaningful threats and situations for him to tackle. How do you make an invulnerable god vulnerable ... the answer has to be through his humanity. Man of steel did get that right partially having him make a morale decision to choose between Krypton and his adoptive planet Earth, that was a good idea.

I agree that superman is a lot like Captain America in that both always strive to do the right thing, they each have a strong moral compass and will not compromise their beliefs (will never cross that line). Cap is easier to write though because he is 'just' a super soldier and has physical weaknesses. Whereas superman is only truly vulnerable because he cares for people, for Jimmy, for Lois and yes 'Martha' 'Why did you say that name!'. You don't threaten superman, you threaten his world, his adopted people, his values and his family. Superman is best when he has an intelligent villain.

As mentioned, I think Man of steel did get a lot of this right but it struggled with the following aspects:
(1) Kal-el was too slow to show his love for humanity (it was hard to buy);
(2) it needed to have him save people before the final showdown with Zod.
(3) he should not be questioning why he should help humanity, it is who he is (perhaps beyond Jonathan and Martha teaching him right from wrong as a kid). Instead have others (like Lois or reporters) question why he does it when the world as a whole and the media seem so ready to condemn him as a threat like the other kryptonians. What makes him do it, why is he different to them? We know why as the audience, but the people in Zac's cynical DC world don't.
(3) It didn't raise the stakes enough in the final battle with the actual people that Clark Kent cared about i.e. Lois, his mother - the threat never felt credible to them directly. They are a bigger weakness to him than kryptonite. Zod (as a genius general) and should have looked to exploit this weakness more.
(4) as others have said, have superman actively trying to save people during the final showdown with Zod at the expense of his advantage in the clash or even to his detriment.
(5) don't have him choose to kill Zod! Even if it is the logical option that everyone else would take in that situation, Superman would find a way to do it differently.

The death and birth of superman is (in my opinion) a poor superman arc, as is the dark knight returns (a good one to show an unhinged oldman bruce sure but not much of a showcase for superman). Both very poor choices as follow ups to the man of steel and i suspect that these were dictated to Snyder rather than him chose to re-tell them so soon.

I don?t believe Superman is hard to write. I believe people just want to darken him up and make him like Batman . Making Superman this corny apple pie hero would be fine but use it in a funny way. Like make Superman think that?s how heroes act and since he?s an alien that?s his way of adapting
 
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I don?t believe Superman is hard to write. I believe people just want to darken him up and make him like Batman . Making Superman this corny apple pie hero would be fine but use it in a funny way. Like make Superman think that?s how heroes act and since he?s an alien that?s his way of adapting

But the one thing Snyder got right was Superman's exasperated response to the military -- "I was born in Kansas..!" -- he's an alien by birth but not by upbringing.

He can be conflicted or uncomfortable to a degree, but in the end the Superman I grew up with was a genuine hero with a good heart. Without that naivet? he's just another post-modern malcontent, a ticking time bomb in fact.
 
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I hated the whole hope crap and breaking zodds neck. People who say that?s more believable are kidding themselves. Such a dumb scene. A real hero would have frantically looked for a solution.

Lol imagine Spider-Man being taunted by green goblin only for it to end with Peter fiercely strangling him to death then screaming in anguish. Defeats the whole purpose of the character.

Superman easily could have stuck his hand infront of zods face probably but I g himself in the process and then punching him so hard it knocks him out. Boom.

The fight scenes were cool in that movie tho. I really want to see Superman exhibit his strength and the movie did that atleast
 
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The other thing that's a big turn off is all the religious imagery. He's always floating above people like a god, he does the crucifix pose, all the dialogue suggesting he's the savior of the people. Jesus photos and Sups is the same age (33), it's too much. Nobody like that and makes Superman even less likable.
 
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I think Zack Snyder has a place and a vision that can work in comics, even in DC. I think if DCEU took their time, and built up these movies more, they could do an injustice gods movie. Put in somebody who can write a decent movie, and have Snyder direct. It could probably be good.

But you can't write Justice League characters right off the bat like they are Judge Dredd and Watchman. It is the same reason you don't have Civil War or Infinity War be the 2nd and 3rd movies of your franchise, they are better as like the 14th and 20th.

But you can't fully blame Snyder. The company put him in the job. That is a leadership question.
 
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The other thing that's a big turn off is all the religious imagery. He's always floating above people like a god, he does the crucifix pose, all the dialogue suggesting he's the savior of the people. Jesus photos and Sups is the same age (33), it's too much. Nobody like that and makes Superman even less likable.

All the subtlety of a 15-year old wearing black eyeliner and Hot Topic.
 
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>Manganiello?s Deathstroke will live again in Zack Snyder's cut of JUSTICE LEAGUE that is set to premiere on HBO Max in 2021. Sure enough, Manganiello had all kinds of fresh ideas that he wanted to put into this last stab at Deathstroke, including a few culled from a never-made solo film. ?Some of those elements I snuck into this round,? he teases, specifically citing the character?s badass mohawk. ?The greatest warriors are the ones who walk into battle already dead or assuming that they?re going to die ? they?re looking for someone who could actually kill them. There?s almost an excitement around that, like ?Is today going to be the day?? So there was a climatic moment in my standalone story where I wanted Slade to shave his head into this war-like mohawk knowing that he was going off to his own death. I said to Zack, ?I always envisioned him with a big white Mohawk,? and he was totally down for it.?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/joe-manganiello-reveals-new-details-ben-affleck-abandoned-batman-movie-211555440.html

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All I'm waiting from this movie is the small chance that HT makes a Deathstroke. I need a Slade and the Arkhamcostume is just... bad. Snyder's Deathstroke looked cool. Sue me, I'm a heretic. I prefer the Priest/Tony Daniel Black Deathstroke suit over the classic blue/orange ones.

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All the talk on WW84 on HBOMAX..is there even a set date for Snyder’s JL yet? Other than 2021 :dunno
 
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DUNE director is next.

Holy crap he just destroyed WB

It doesn’t end lol

You simply have to read his statement to believe it
 
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ATT now saying Wo Wo Wo we didn’t force this onto WB THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAME TO US WITH THE IDEA AND WE APPROVED!

Supposedly a WB executive said filmmakers come and go let them complain there will be new filmmakers looking for a break.

Not ATT executive a WB studio executive!

Holy crap lol


Wait if WB cancels this train wreck disaster will they be legally forced to give refunds for the HBOMAX subs.

What a disaster.
 
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DUNE director is next.

Holy crap he just destroyed WB

It doesn’t end lol

You simply have to read his statement to believe it

Damn. Just read it. I really feel for the guy. He obviously wanted to Dune to be the first cinematic step into Frank Herbert's world and I could see him being right that allowing audiences to just watch it at home will not only kill the necessary box office profits it would have needed to continue but will also kill so much of the larger than life experience he wanted to provide.

Bummer. I'll definitely still catch it in theaters if any are open near me when it is released.

Oh well, he already said he wanted to do a Star Wars movie. Bring him over Patty, lol.
 
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Holy crap i’m signed into HBOMAX right now got as a gift and they have the LOTR regular edition not EE!!!

LOLOLOL
 
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The Dune director's last film, BR2049, was a huge bomb, and WB let him make another possible bomb, DUNE, so he should be thanking WB for putting it on HBO MAX. Now when it bombs, he can at least blame it on the Covid or HBOMAX. :dunno
 
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I dont think its fair to judge this decision by Warner they know that movies who loses the hype loses money.
I love to go the movies, i even used to go once a week until covid hit us, its like 9 months that i just wacth movies at home. They talk about MOVIE THEATER as its the only way to watch a movie, they are wrong. Its just a place with bigger screen with great sound.
But those directors wants the impossible, it wil take a whole 2 years to something have the chance to break the 1 bilion box office, he say about piracy but this will only happen if they (hbo max) dont make the movies available in all of the planet at the same time, there is many ways to do it:sell to netflix, amazon prime or even google play movies, they have worldwide reach that Hbo max doesnt.
They need our money to survive, so let us pay for the service, give us the choice, cuz if they dont do that, we will torrent the movies.
 
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The Dune director's last film, BR2049, was a huge bomb, and WB let him make another possible bomb, DUNE, so he should be thanking WB for putting it on HBO MAX. Now when it bombs, he can at least blame it on the Covid or HBOMAX. :dunno

From a certain point of view you are correct.

However the directors sole responsibility is to deliver a great movie not be responsible if the fan base doesn’t come out even after making a great movie.

Case in point his BR movie.

I was never a fan of BR so neither BR does anything for me they are boring lol.

However all BR fans agree that the original and the sequel are both masterpieces.

The director fulfilled his responsibility.

The fact that WB miscalculated the passion of the fan base and also created questionable trailers is on them not DV he kept his end of the bargain, great movie.

He should not be punished for his Dune vision because BR fans are lazy af and didn’t support his BR lol

So the question still remains.

Is a director only as good as his last movie quality or last movie box office performance.

Man is the customer interface in HBOMAX trash lol

My sister team is responsible for the D+ front interface amongst a million other things and it kicks awesome ***!

Yes i am compromised, have zero integrity and also get free D+

:chase
 
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