Zack Snyder's SUCKER PUNCH

[Khev]

Comparing Avatar and Sucker Punch is a bit like comparing patio furniture to kitchen appliances. Not really relevant.

Its relevant if the point of comparison is the one common denominator between both the films. If someone says, "Avatar sucks because it has Sigourney Weaver in it," then that same person praises Gorillas in the Mist they'd look pretty foolish for having such a strange double standard, regardless of how dissimilar the two movies are otherwise.

 

[grphyx1]

Everybody is right. You're just right for "You!" Neither of you is going to change each others' position

 

[Darklord Dave]

Its relevant if the point of comparison is the one common denominator between both the films. If someone says, "Avatar sucks because it has Sigourney Weaver in it," then that same person praises Gorillas in the Mist they'd look pretty foolish for having such a strange double standard, regardless of how dissimilar the two movies are otherwise.

Ah, but your theory fails on the Star Wars corollary - If you say "A New Hope" sucks because Natalie Portman is in it, doesn't mean you can't love Black Swan for the same reason.

I'm just saying that despite both being fantasy films they are completely different in what the filmmakers intended for an audience to take away from the experience. You can say one or the other was more successful for YOU, but they are so dissimilar that any comparison is a pointless endeavor.

 

[YoNoSe]

IMO a double standard is a prerequisite because Sucker Punch clearly presents itself as a pastiche of "geek" film nods. It's derivative by design. It wears it's references on it's sleeve.

Avatar never claimed to be an homage to the stories it imitates.

It's like comparing Glee to an original musical.

If you don't take the work's intention into account then you may as well compare bagels to pianos.

 

[IrishJedi]

IMO a double standard is a prerequisite because Sucker Punch clearly presents itself as a pastiche of "geek" film nods. It's derivative by design. It wears it's references on it's sleeve.

Avatar never claimed to be an homage to the stories it imitates.

It's like comparing Glee to an original musical.

If you don't take the work's intention into account then you may as well compare bagels to pianos.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

"That's a Bingo!"

 

[wofford29]

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

"That's a Bingo!"

That's a bingo because you typed the same thing only one page back. Slap that man with a plagiarism fine.

 

[YoNoSe]

That's a bingo because you typed the same thing only one page back. Slap that man with a plagiarism fine.

Must have missed that identical post. Believe it or not two people can have similar POVs. Especially when they are this obvious.

 

[wofford29]

"...the derivative nature of both films is not comparable: One wears it on its sleeve while the other pretends..."
- irishjedi

"...It's derivative by design. It wears it's references on it's sleeve...
Avatar never claimed to be an homage to the stories it imitates."
- YoNose

Plagairism does not = identical. You sir will be hearing from irish's lawyers. Every post you make from here on out will need to be first submitted to www.turnitin.com.

 

[CelticPredator]

Can I be Judge Judy and the Executioner?

 

[wofford29]

Yes. Start.

 

[YoNoSe]

Obviously it's impossible for those thoughts to have occurred independently to two people when discussing a movie composed of deliberate visual cues. Good thing you you're here to point it out, considering how busy you must be alerting film critics that they have stolen the phrase "roller coaster ride."

 

[wofford29]

I'll be back in a few. I need to see if I can find your sense of humor around here.

 

[YoNoSe]

I'll be back in a few. I need to see if I can find your sense of humor around here.

Lots of Brainy Smurfs on this board. It's usually safe to assume nerdy cattiness is legit.

 

[CelticPredator]

No it is not.

 

[YoNoSe]

No it is not.

Is nothing safe?

 

[DinoLast]

Comparing Avatar and Sucker Punch is a bit like comparing patio furniture to kitchen appliances. Not really relevant.

I am not comparing the movies, I really can't understand why people think I am doing that. Avatar and Sucker Punch have nothing to do with each other story wise, and I would be pretty stupid to think otherwise. I just think it's interesting that one movie, Avatar, can be seen as artistic failure by some, because it has strong similarities with other movies. Yet Sucker Punch, who borrows just as strongly, seems to be off limits when it comes to this criticism. Basically what I am being told is, that if Cameron had come clean about Avatar being Lawrence Arabia/ A Man Called Horse in Space, he would have been let off, because as Irish Jedi told me, Snyder came clean before the movie came out and called his movie Alice in Wonderland with girls with guns, so he does not deserve the same criticism. Fine, my question has been answered. That's all I wanted in the first place.

 

[Timinator]

Netflix is constantly streaming in my studio, and I've seen plenty of movies that I thought stunk. I've never felt the need to defend my disdain of any idiotic flick in an online forum. Considering the vast output of vitriol that's been doled out here on SF, could it be speculated that many of you that are sharing your unfairly harsh critiques are really closet Punch Suckers? Perhaps many of you are fighting the urge to let go with abandon and enjoy the movie for what it was meant to be.

Just a thought.

 

[toylion]

Methinks doth protest too much.

 

[wofford29]

Like I've always said. You can't define someone elses idea of entertainment. I am more entertained in watching a film like The Seventh Seal or There Will Be Blood than even the most high flying actioners that I love. A lot of people are more entertained by reading than watching anything at all. We all know the deal; different strokes.

 

[DinoLast]

Netflix is constantly streaming in my studio, and I've seen plenty of movies that I thought stunk. I've never felt the need to defend my disdain of any idiotic flick in an online forum. Considering the vast output of vitriol that's been doled out here on SF, could it be speculated that many of you that are sharing your unfairly harsh critiques are really closet Punch Suckers? Perhaps many of you are fighting the urge to let go with abandon and enjoy the movie for what it was meant to be.

Just a thought.

Methinks doth protest too much.

Spoiler

Short answer to that is no.
The long answer is that, is that it has boring fantasy fight scenes that do not have any impact on the story, as it's obvious the movie will return to the lobotomy scene at the end (As soon as they mentioned the high roller I thought to myself, yeah that's going to be Jon Hamm). Also When a character dies in the bordello, or in the Playstation world, I just think who cares, it's not real anyway. The big reveal at the end is that her Stripper fantasy was her way of flashing back previous events, big deal. If she had fantasied about going shopping then Sweet Pea would have still escaped and the rest would have met the same fate. I just found that 90% of the movie was pointless rubbish. I would have been far more interested in how they would have obtained the items, if they left out the bordello stuff, and shown what happened in the real world. Zack Snyder could have still found a way to incorporate his Girls with guns fantasy, but actually have it so there is a sense of peril that could effect the real world. or is that my way of secretly saying the movie was great?