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Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
Nice! Obi looks great in that pic.
Nice! Obi looks great in that pic.
1/6 Episode III Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
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Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
OK Nash... Those pics have me.... I dunno... They have me doing something that usually only applies to Zakk! :chew :chew :chew
OK Nash... Those pics have me.... I dunno... They have me doing something that usually only applies to Zakk! :chew :chew :chew
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
Very well said!!
Mr. Underhill said:pjam, I agree with you 100%, the SDCC proto was beautiful with a capital B. I would be more then delighted to have that as the final production piece. But I can also except that it was lovingly hand painted by a gifted artist, and I realize that though the artists painting these in china are probably talented in their own right, they do not have the time to replicate the SDCC proto a few thousand times. It's been beatin' to death but there is no way an assembly line system can paint nearly a 10000 of these with that kind of detail. It's just not gonna happen. Am I happy with the production piece? Yes. Could it have been better? Yes. But realistically the final pieces will most likely always be a slight downgrade from the prototype. It's not a perfect world, nor should it ever be. Persian artists weave imperfections into their rugs on purpose, they could be perfect but they realize nothing in this world ever will be.
Yes the eyebrows are a bit bushy, yes the grey highlights are a tad overdone, the hair is a tad too dark. Do I wish it was better yes? But I'm satisfied with what I'm going to get. It's only fifty five bucks, I can spend twice that on friday night with my friends and have nothing to show for it on saturday. But I'll have a slightly imperfect albeit quite satisfying representation of Obi-Wan for the rest of my life. I hope that as time passes things will only improve, things usually do. But with great expectations can come great disatisfaction. I understand we all want the best from this line, some of us have waited decades for this. And so far I'm quite pleased with Luke, Han, Mace, Ani, Vader, Kit, and I'm quite sure that Obi will be fine when I've had fun and futz with with him for a few hours.
I'm an artist myself and I'm often the most critical of my own work, I can respect other peoples art as well.
Very well said!!
pjam
Here on the Perimeter
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
What is this, the Department of Redundency Department?
jlcmsu said:
What is this, the Department of Redundency Department?
Mr. Underhill
Just a little freaky
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
Why yes it is, and next store is the Ministry of Silly Walks.
Actually it reminds me of the Arguement Sketch from Monty Python in here sometimes.
M: An argument is a connected series of statement intended to establish a
proposition.
O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.
O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!
M: Yes but it isn't just saying "no it isn't".
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just
the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
O: It is NOT!
M: It is!
O: Not at all!
M: It is!
The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.
O: Thank you, that's it.
https://www.intriguing.com/mp/_scripts/argument.asp
Why yes it is, and next store is the Ministry of Silly Walks.
Actually it reminds me of the Arguement Sketch from Monty Python in here sometimes.
M: An argument is a connected series of statement intended to establish a
proposition.
O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.
O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!
M: Yes but it isn't just saying "no it isn't".
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just
the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
O: It is NOT!
M: It is!
O: Not at all!
M: It is!
The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.
O: Thank you, that's it.
https://www.intriguing.com/mp/_scripts/argument.asp
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sunohc
Super Freak
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
you use a brush that is dry
and put it into the paint
then brush off excess
then, when you apply that paint to the piece,
it only brushes the parts that come out the most.
and so you brush over it lightly and it'll only get the "highlights" I guess
wet brushing is the opposite.
you make your brush wet as possible with the paint and when it is applied to the piece, it SINKS into the areas that a dry brushing does not get.
thus you can use this techinque in various, incredible ways
try to google it in
i just foudn this
DAN PEREZ"s DEFINITION
Drybrushing
A painting technique to produce highlights on textured areas. To dry brush, a clean brush is dipped into the highlight color, then brushed on a paper towel until the paint is barely coming off the bristles. Then the brush is scrubbed lightly across the textured surface. The paint will come off only on the raised areas of the texture, creating the highlights. Drybrushing is often used in tandem with washes to create a more realistic 3-D effect in a paint job.
you use a brush that is dry
and put it into the paint
then brush off excess
then, when you apply that paint to the piece,
it only brushes the parts that come out the most.
and so you brush over it lightly and it'll only get the "highlights" I guess
wet brushing is the opposite.
you make your brush wet as possible with the paint and when it is applied to the piece, it SINKS into the areas that a dry brushing does not get.
thus you can use this techinque in various, incredible ways
try to google it in
i just foudn this
DAN PEREZ"s DEFINITION
Drybrushing
A painting technique to produce highlights on textured areas. To dry brush, a clean brush is dipped into the highlight color, then brushed on a paper towel until the paint is barely coming off the bristles. Then the brush is scrubbed lightly across the textured surface. The paint will come off only on the raised areas of the texture, creating the highlights. Drybrushing is often used in tandem with washes to create a more realistic 3-D effect in a paint job.
sebcanadaceo
Super Freak
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
Then they should not use a figure to advertise the product and give us a totaly different figure that looks nothing like what we have seen... That's is false advertisement! It is not what they promised us nor is it what we agreed to buy!
The argument that the final product cannot look like the prototype does not hold water... If that is the case then they need to stop using superior looking prototypes to advertise these figures and use the actual finished product instead. That way we will know exactly what we are getting and there won't be any unexpected surprises... Especially of this magnitude. After all... We can't be expected to guess what these figures will really look like once they are finished and ship out!?!
:emperor
Mr. Underhill said:
Then they should not use a figure to advertise the product and give us a totaly different figure that looks nothing like what we have seen... That's is false advertisement! It is not what they promised us nor is it what we agreed to buy!
The argument that the final product cannot look like the prototype does not hold water... If that is the case then they need to stop using superior looking prototypes to advertise these figures and use the actual finished product instead. That way we will know exactly what we are getting and there won't be any unexpected surprises... Especially of this magnitude. After all... We can't be expected to guess what these figures will really look like once they are finished and ship out!?!
:emperor
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
Agreed. Definitely the class sculpt of this line so far.Batty said:Let's hear it for Andy's sculpt!
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
Yep. Came today.
The initial pics of the production figure on SSC's site crushed me (as you all know) and I was disappointed and prepared to be crushed further when I opened the figure. But, as usual, these things continue to look better in person.
Don't get me wrong, though. It's still a monumental blunder on the part of the factory painters, imho. Not as bad as Anakin, but still infuriating in some respects because this sculpt deserved the very best treatment and didn't get it.
I'll live, but I still feel let down by SSC on this one and will seek some kind of repaint (either by myself or someone else).
And if you're reading this SSC, please don't ever pull something like the SDCC Obi-Wan to Production Obi-Wan on us again. The final figure is closer to the original prototype shown at Toy Fair (though still flawed). Why you guys felt the need to show a different proto Obi-Wan later on at SDCC that was miles better than the TF prototype and especially the final production piece I will never understand. This is why I and others feel deceived and let down (though I wouldn't have been extremely happy with this production paint app regardless... it's the 2nd worst of the line so far).
Yep. Came today.
The initial pics of the production figure on SSC's site crushed me (as you all know) and I was disappointed and prepared to be crushed further when I opened the figure. But, as usual, these things continue to look better in person.
Don't get me wrong, though. It's still a monumental blunder on the part of the factory painters, imho. Not as bad as Anakin, but still infuriating in some respects because this sculpt deserved the very best treatment and didn't get it.
I'll live, but I still feel let down by SSC on this one and will seek some kind of repaint (either by myself or someone else).
And if you're reading this SSC, please don't ever pull something like the SDCC Obi-Wan to Production Obi-Wan on us again. The final figure is closer to the original prototype shown at Toy Fair (though still flawed). Why you guys felt the need to show a different proto Obi-Wan later on at SDCC that was miles better than the TF prototype and especially the final production piece I will never understand.
This is why I and others feel deceived and let down (though I wouldn't have been extremely happy with this production paint app regardless... it's the 2nd worst of the line so far).Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
Thanks Sun.
sunohc said:you use a brush that is dry
and put it into the paint
then brush off excess
then, when you apply that paint to the piece,
it only brushes the parts that come out the most.
and so you brush over it lightly and it'll only get the "highlights" I guess
wet brushing is the opposite.
you make your brush wet as possible with the paint and when it is applied to the piece, it SINKS into the areas that a dry brushing does not get.
thus you can use this techinque in various, incredible ways
try to google it in
i just foudn this
DAN PEREZ"s DEFINITION
Drybrushing
A painting technique to produce highlights on textured areas. To dry brush, a clean brush is dipped into the highlight color, then brushed on a paper towel until the paint is barely coming off the bristles. Then the brush is scrubbed lightly across the textured surface. The paint will come off only on the raised areas of the texture, creating the highlights. Drybrushing is often used in tandem with washes to create a more realistic 3-D effect in a paint job.
Thanks Sun.
Zakk Attakk
Freaked Out
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
...
I have a very disturbing image in my head, and I wish it wasn't there.
pixletwin said:
...
I have a very disturbing image in my head, and I wish it wasn't there.
Mr. Underhill
Just a little freaky
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
sebcanadaceo said:
^^And prints the words Prototype Shown on the Preorder pictures.rainmain said:
pjam
Here on the Perimeter
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
I'm sending mine to Josh (Darkartist) for a hair/beard/eyebrow repaint... I just want his paint apps to be film-accurate, much like Luke's was.
And I agree with much of what you said, you don't display the "latest" Obi piece to the world with different color palates, state it is very close to the prod piece and ship something different and inferior. But I am not crushed because a simple "hair repaint" will make it look a 1000 times better... but I am a bit perturbed I have to correct another SSC piece because of inferior paint apps.
IrishJedi said:Yep. Came today.
The initial pics of the production figure on SSC's site crushed me (as you all know) and I was disappointed and prepared to be crushed further when I opened the figure. But, as usual, these things continue to look better in person.
Don't get me wrong, though. It's still a monumental blunder on the part of the factory painters, imho. Not as bad as Anakin, but still infuriating in some respects because this sculpt deserved the very best treatment and didn't get it.
I'll live, but I still feel let down by SSC on this one and will seek some kind of repaint (either by myself or someone else).
And if you're reading this SSC, please don't ever pull something like the SDCC Obi-Wan to Production Obi-Wan on us again. The final figure is closer to the original prototype shown at Toy Fair (though still flawed). Why you guys felt the need to show a different proto Obi-Wan later on at SDCC that was miles better than the TF prototype and especially the final production piece I will never understand.
I'm sending mine to Josh (Darkartist) for a hair/beard/eyebrow repaint... I just want his paint apps to be film-accurate, much like Luke's was.
And I agree with much of what you said, you don't display the "latest" Obi piece to the world with different color palates, state it is very close to the prod piece and ship something different and inferior. But I am not crushed because a simple "hair repaint" will make it look a 1000 times better... but I am a bit perturbed I have to correct another SSC piece because of inferior paint apps.
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
I agree that the paint apps need to be better, but I try to remain calm about things like this. I'm sure Sideshow can't be thrilled with the downgrade either, I just hope they do something about it. We're going to be getting a lot of figures over the next few years...
Cool.IrishJedi said:
I agree that the paint apps need to be better, but I try to remain calm about things like this. I'm sure Sideshow can't be thrilled with the downgrade either, I just hope they do something about it. We're going to be getting a lot of figures over the next few years...
Re: 12" Obi-Wan IMAGE Thread
one thing I'd suggest is that Sideshow tell the factory in China to add a touch of red to their skin tones. Skin is translucent and the lack of a faint redness to the appropriate areas of the face really hurts.
That said, they are doing a little better job than in the past. Though too many figures end up with brown lips (who is approving that!?!?!!?) at least it isn't as bad as with some figures, like the Prophecy Buffy, which had a horrendous flat tan skin tone for the head and similarly horrible paint apps on the Roger Moore Bond and others. Even with make up people's faces have varying shades and Sideshow isn't close to realizing that on their 12" figures. DiD, Dragon and bbi, though far from "hand-done artist perfect" all do an unbelievably better job at painting headsculpts than does Sideshow.
And what's up with the brown mascara on Obi Wan???
Y'know what this use of prototype pictures to sell the figures only to deliver something that falls far short reminds me of? Back 6 years ago or so when 21st Century toys had similarly fantastically painted figures previewed on their website and on the boxes of other figures that ended up looking far inferior to the protos
one thing I'd suggest is that Sideshow tell the factory in China to add a touch of red to their skin tones. Skin is translucent and the lack of a faint redness to the appropriate areas of the face really hurts.
That said, they are doing a little better job than in the past. Though too many figures end up with brown lips (who is approving that!?!?!!?) at least it isn't as bad as with some figures, like the Prophecy Buffy, which had a horrendous flat tan skin tone for the head and similarly horrible paint apps on the Roger Moore Bond and others. Even with make up people's faces have varying shades and Sideshow isn't close to realizing that on their 12" figures. DiD, Dragon and bbi, though far from "hand-done artist perfect" all do an unbelievably better job at painting headsculpts than does Sideshow.
And what's up with the brown mascara on Obi Wan???
Y'know what this use of prototype pictures to sell the figures only to deliver something that falls far short reminds me of? Back 6 years ago or so when 21st Century toys had similarly fantastically painted figures previewed on their website and on the boxes of other figures that ended up looking far inferior to the protos
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