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[Wor-Gar]

nope, i just don't like being banned for properly answering people like you and have to live my forum life by a code. not many infractions left until permaban.

anyway that's not the case.
the case is that you ignore movie events and behind the scene comments only because you don't like one of the ideas.
but you have nothing to support your dislike - and so instead insult everybody supporting it:

No surprise you've been banned. I imagine it won't be long again with your usual volatile attitude.

Regarding Alien, I'm just posing an alternate possibility. One you seem to have a real problem with. If you have definitive proof of the intent of the filmmakers about the '**** of Lambert' please share it here. I'd be curious to see that.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The whole film is about ***. Just look at Geiger's designs.

The aliens have dicks for heads. The eggs were in a ship with suggestive female airlocks.

Kane gives 'birth' to the alien, so it's part male human. As a being of pure instinct it plays out something dark and evil from the male psyche.

As P. mentioned there was Ash suffocating Ripley with the rolled up magazine.

There's a lot going on in this film that takes it beyond a simple monster movie.

Imagery is one thing; literal is another.

Yes, the movie is full of *** and death imagery. It is not full of '****' scenes. Unless you see it that way. Ash is trying to suffocate Ripley. They made it suggestive. The scene with Lambert is just that... suggestive.

 

[Asta]

Imagery is one thing; literal is another.


Yes, the movie is full of *** and death imagery. It is not full of '****' scenes.

The whole film is suggestive, from the Facehugger's act of procreation by forcing a tube down the victim's throat. It literally rapes Kane to plant it's seed. Early designs for the creature were even more suggestive with their abdomen completing human male genitalia. The alien is then born from the act of volent ****.

Ash echoes the act of the Facehugger as a means of killing Ripley. It's a very strange method of execution, were it not for the context of the film.

Tail **** is heavily implied. I doubt there was anything more than one killing thrust. But it was the choice of target. For the film it's significant, for the alien maybe subconscious.


And then we see her naked legs. Whether the alien ripped her uniform off intentionally, or whether it was ripped off in the violence is not made clear.

It's enough that the filmmakers leave the image, and plant the 'seed' in the viewers' imagination.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The whole film is suggestive, from the Facehugger's act of procreation by forcing a tube down the victim's throat. Early designs for the creature were even more suggestive with their abdomen completing Hunan male genitalia. Ash echoes the act of the Facehugger as a means of killing Ripley. It's a very strange method of execution, were it not for the context of the film.

Tail **** is heavily implied. I doubt there was anything more than one killing thrust. But it was the choice of target. For the film it's significant, for the alien maybe subconscious.

And then we see her naked legs. Whether the alien ripped her uniform off intentionally, or whether it was ripped off in the violent act is not made clear.

It's enough that the filmmakers leave the image, and plant the 'seed' in the viewers' imagination.

I agree. As I said, suggestive.

The original question I posed was 'is that truly Lambert's foot' in the frame? It's one shot. Looks to me like it could be Parker's foot. We don't see her legs in the movie. You know its her legs because of behind the scenes footage. But nothing they staged remains in the film except that one dangling foot shot. So I was curious, what was Ridley's finally intent for that shot -- what happened in that room? Or was that shot put in the movie to make it seem like Parker's foot hanging some distance from his body. I said that, and everyone had a heart-attack. Started showing behind the scenes footage which means nothing. I've seen footage of the alien crawling like a Limbo dancer -- is that part of the alien style too.

Here's my point: When the alien's tail creeps up between Lambert's legs -- she's wearing sneakers suddenly. Should I take that literally too? She changed her shoes? Or is the intent for that shot (actually of Brett's shoes) now being used for a different purpose (Lambert's feet). The latter of course, we all know that. So why couldn't one presume that perhaps in the final edit, Ridley intended that hanging bloody foot to be Parker's?

 

[Johnny6666]

Regarding Alien, I'm just posing an alternate possibility. One you seem to have a real problem with. If you have definitive proof of the intent of the filmmakers about the '**** of Lambert' please share it here. I'd be curious to see that.

Dan O'Bannon openly states in the Alien documentary from the BD (and older DVD) that "Alien is about inter-species ****".

Now, one could consider literal and figurative **** - or, if not **** in the human sense, then imagery pertaining to insertion, penetration, etc. Obviously, Alien is rife with such imagery, from obvious moments such as entry into the Derelict, Kane's impregnation, etc. to more subtle but no less important visual cues like air duct openings, slow tracking through doorways into the Nostromo's inner 'womb' (the freezers), and Ash's attack upon Ripley.

Indeed, Ridley Scott openly discusses, again in the BD documentary, the question of replicant 'sexual' urges and how, lacking the necessary equipment (ahem) or, indeed, the embedded instinctual urge of **** sapiens, these might manifest in some skewed fashion. Ash's assault upon Ripley and the truly bizarre magazine penetration is coded in such a fashion (obviously, Scott also pursued themes of replicant sexual logic in Blade Runner).

For further reference, please read this entry over at 'Strange Shapes' blog - the very best (and most intelligent) Alien resource on the Internet. It quotes Veronica Cartwright on the matter.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/debate-loving-lambert/

I still pretty much stand by my remarks (in the comment section of that blog article) regarding the Lambert issue: unknowable - although heavily weighted towards some form of sexual attack, given the context of the film more broadly.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I read that already. I didn't see where they say the intent for Lambert's demise was alien ****. Did I miss it? They make reference to the video game made years later and there's a disclaimer on that too.

I still don't understand why the alien would need to **** anyone. It seems to take people away to make cocoons of them in the film (not even that in the theatrical release)... or simply kill them, as it did with Parker (and likely Lambert if that's supposed to be her foot). I know it was shot to illicit fears of ****, but it was not literal ****.

Anyway, you guys are saying the film is full of sexual imagery and I totally agree. I get it. You don't need to keep presenting the films imagery (symbolism) as evidence of intended physical alien **** of Lambert (story point).

 

[Brett Banner]

I read that already. I didn't see where they say the intent for Lambert's demise was alien ****. Did I miss it? They make reference to the video game made years later and there's a disclaimer on that too.

I still don't understand why the alien would need to **** anyone. It seems to take people away to make cocoons of them in the film (not even that in the theatrical release)... or simply kill them, as it did with Parker (and likely Lambert if that's supposed to be her foot). I know it was shot to illicit fears of ****, but it was not literal ****.

Anyway, you guys are saying the film is full of sexual imagery and I totally agree. I get it. You don't need to keep presenting the films imagery (symbolism) as evidence of intended physical alien **** of Lambert (story point).

^^^ Pretty much exactly.


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[Khev]

I agree. As I said, suggestive.

The original question I posed was 'is that truly Lambert's foot' in the frame? It's one shot. Looks to me like it could be Parker's foot. We don't see her legs in the movie. You know its her legs because of behind the scenes footage. But nothing they staged remains in the film except that one dangling foot shot. So I was curious, what was Ridley's finally intent for that shot -- what happened in that room? Or was that shot put in the movie to make it seem like Parker's foot hanging some distance from his body. I said that, and everyone had a heart-attack. Started showing behind the scenes footage which means nothing. I've seen footage of the alien crawling like a Limbo dancer -- is that part of the alien style too.

Here's my point: When the alien's tail creeps up between Lambert's legs -- she's wearing sneakers suddenly. Should I take that literally too? She changed her shoes? Or is the intent for that shot (actually of Brett's shoes) now being used for a different purpose (Lambert's feet). The latter of course, we all know that. So why couldn't one presume that perhaps in the final edit, Ridley intended that hanging bloody foot to be Parker's?

Why are you so defensive? I never said one way or another what I thought happened to Lambert, only that I had always thought that it was common knowledge that the hanging foot *was* Lambert. I found the production still to be an interesting hint at what else happened. Personally I think that Ridley just wanted to plant seeds that Lambert's death was somehow more wrong and horrifying than the others but either way it doesn't really make much sense. Even if the alien did **** her why would it go through the trouble of removing her shoes and socks? That just seems odd for the sake of being odd and I think it's best not to read too much into it.

Also in Covenant Ridley Scott seemed to go out of his way to repeat the Lambert situation by having the alien poking the girl in the shower who *was* naked and that's all he did. A brief poke before going about his business of murdering her husband. I know that Covenant is far removed from the original but it's still Ridley Scott doing basically the exact same thing and an actual physical **** of sexual nature did not seem to be occurring. Just scary creepy stuff that feeds on people's fear of **** without the act actually occurring literally. That's my take on it anyway.

 

[Johnny6666]

Anyway, you guys are saying the film is full of sexual imagery and I totally agree. I get it. You don't need to keep presenting the films imagery (symbolism) as evidence of intended physical alien **** of Lambert (story point).

The film itself being about, to quote O'Bannon, "inter-species ****", establishes a rather overwhelming context (both formally and thematically) that invites Lambert's unseen death (but not, pointedly, unheard death) to be read as some form of 'sexualised' attack (if only in the human sense of the term). Every victim in the film (killed outright) is penetrated either inside or out by an alien organism, so why should we be inclined as viewers to assume another fate for Lambert? What does the film suggest to us that might give us a clear reason to prefer something other than the 'sexual attack' scenario?

The weight of the filmic evidence that precedes Lambert's death (literal, symbolic, whatever) clearly implies a reading in that direction, and I've yet to read a convincing argument based upon the film only (not an early script draft, or Alan Dean Foster's novelisation, for example) that would definitively suggest otherwise (including your prior remarks).

 

[RIDDICK]

Why would the Alien bother taking Lambert's shoes off if it ***** her?
Does he even have a *****?
Does getting slashed apart with a bladed tail constitute as ****?


So many questions.

All of which are way more interestin' than talkin' about this figure.




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[P.]

No surprise you've been banned. I imagine it won't be long again with your usual volatile attitude.

you're manipulating events to show me as evil and yourself as an angel, while i discussed a movie and what its crew said and intended - and you started mocking me like i made it all up.
if you have terrible memory, reread everything. if you're simply an old fart, ok.

Regarding Alien, I'm just posing an alternate possibility. One you seem to have a real problem with.

again, no. i didn't have any problem until you openly attacked me repeatedly.
regarding alien, you called everybody - not just me - who supports one of theories "young boys", then you said i have "beast **** fantasy". that's all you said about alien, while ignoring what i answered you - Ash ***** Ripley with a journal, facehugger rapet Kane with an extraterrestrial ****, it was all intentional; Lambert was naked, and before death she made the strangest sounds, so that's pretty much same intentional thing.

If you have definitive proof of the intent of the filmmakers about the '**** of Lambert' please share it here. I'd be curious to see that.

as i said for several times already, there are exact intentions in two other cases, and there is a strangest thing in the third case. i myself never thought about it in such way until different people on different forums discussed in this way. i agree that they have an undeniable theory, the one i accept until a different thing is proved.
it explanes Lambert's nudity while nothing else does:

Production still showing Parker and more of Lambert:

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/debate-loving-lambert/

Let’s note that Cartwright herself told Starlog that “All I can assume is: I got ***** by the Alien.

It seems absurd to suggest that the Alien physically rapes or sexually penetrates Lambert, considering that, one: the kill sequence lasts mere moments, with the Alien gone once Ripley arrives at the scene, and two: the Alien has no *****, and in fact sports a vulva-like protrusion on its groin, (the creature is hermaphroditic). So we are left, arguably, with a form of symbolic ****, or the creature penetrating Lambert’s body with its tail, and/or Lambert’s heart succumbing to her terror during the ordeal. Perhaps Lambert suffered a massive heart attack just as the Alien reaches out for her, or as it grooms her body. Of course, one point to muse over is the state of Lambert’s corpse, as found by Ripley, in a suggestive state of undress…

best described here. in all time i made searching for additional notes i found nothing more and nothing less. as for me, i agree with the bold text, which still leaves a question of clothes, which could mean only one - the alien not just killed Lambert but explored her body. before or after he death - unknown. if before, it's even worse.

 

[SmoothEmjay]

Not once, ever have I imagined Lambert was ***** by a Xenomorph. Some of you have *VERY!* strange imaginations.
Actually quite disturbing.

 

[drfeelgood]

Came for the Ripley figure, staying for the Alien ****.

 

[P.]

oh, and about this one.

Yes, the movie is full of *** and death imagery. It is not full of '****' scenes. Unless you see it that way. Ash is trying to suffocate Ripley. They made it suggestive. The scene with Lambert is just that... suggestive.

>>>
https://alienexplorations.blogspot.ru/1979/10/unravelling-of-ash.html

Ridley Scott; If you create a model as perfect as that, it will have, almost of necessity, a form of "emotional life." You don't have only a physical and mental mechanism, but a machine that is capable at any moment of uncontrollable emotional reactions and which will take certain decisions by itself. Like HAL in 2001. Here no one has considered that in building a robot, it had been given a psychological life, with worries and problems. This perfect machine starts to have feelings when faced with the behaviour of humans. It starts to be interested in the women and to have desires that can not be expressed. Behind the assault on Ripley is an attempt to solve these tensions, a sort of ****.

Ridley Scott: .... and I always thought that it was interesting that er, do humanoids have sexual urges, what would be nice is that this is the closest he gets to sexual relationships (smirk) (Shepperton Studios 1978 documentary (The Making of Alien )
Sigourney Weaver: "He said well come on downstairs, it's gonna be great, Ash is gonna pick up this *** magazine and he's gonna stick up your hooter. And I didn't know cockney, and I thought, hmm, my hooter. Erm, and so, luckily when we got downstairs, it was up my mouth, "the short way (?)" but it was funny, it was one of those things, you know I didn't actually think, "well Ridley would never do... " (laughter)


Ridley Scott: Yeah exactly, I figured that

Sigourney Weaver:That thing would have surprised ....

Ridley Scott: I figures that robots had to have, if they're sophisticated, had to occasionally have the urge, so I said to Ash, "how do you feel about sexual drive?". He said "great". (Sigourney laughing) So I said "rather than just beating her up, isn't it more interesting that he actually has always wanted to, and here's his opportunity but he doesn't have that part"

but it's all made up, as you know and "young boys", including Ridley who actually made both Ash raping Ripley and Alien raping Lambert scenes, don't.
oh, and Isolation authors are same young boys, as, while ignoring Lambert's naked lower half, they put blood only in two places: between the legs and on a mouth area.

not that it proves anything, it just shows how stupid are the people who took this idea from what was shown in the movie and commented after it, with Wor-Gar being the only sentient being to ignore it.

 

[Asta]

 

[RIDDICK]

quite disturbing

Not as disturbing as YouTube comments.

"Maybe its semen is made of acid too?"

 

[Asta]

oh, and Isolation authors are same young boys, as, while ignoring Lambert's naked lower half, they put blood only in two places: between the legs and on a mouth area.

A year after Alien, Cannibal Holocaust has the impaled girl which probably depicts the path the alien's tail took.


In that deleted scene watch the position of the alien and what he does with his tail from 14 seconds onwards. There's a metaphor there, and it isn't about tails.

 

[Johnny6666]

In that deleted scene watch the position of the alien and what he does with his tail from 14 seconds onwards. There's a metaphor there, and it isn't about tails.

Indeed. Nice one.

According to Veronica Cartwright, Ridley Scott shot a lot of material/coverage for the Parker/Lambert scene, and used very little of it in the final film. The few pieces that have turned up on BD and DVD (as linked above) are truly fascinating. I enjoy watching all the outtakes because, after having seen Alien probably 50 times, the film is so familiar that the outtakes remind me how truly unsettling (and outright scary) it is.

Not once, ever have I imagined Lambert was ***** by a Xenomorph. Some of you have *VERY!* strange imaginations. Actually quite disturbing.

It stuns me that someone could watch Alien and not at least entertain that idea - if only upon repeat viewings. Most everything in the film suggests that the human body is a series of holes to be entered, penetrated, violated, inseminated and/or exited (either by other humans - or anything else that happens to find them in deep space).

 

[ALIEN.]

Just whilst we are talking off topic, can someone tell me why the hell Hot Toys made KANE with a Moustache????
It's not even John Hurt!

 

[P.]

A year after Alien, Cannibal Holocaust has the impaled girl which probably depicts the path the alien's tail took.

googled the movie name, and that particular image is all over.
yep that's what i think about that Lambert story and reason behind her strangest dying sounds.

In that deleted scene watch the position of the alien and what he does with his tail from 14 seconds onwards. There's a metaphor there, and it isn't about tails.

and his smile at 0:39. "so... do you like it?"

Just whilst we are talking off topic, can someone tell me why the hell Hot Toys made KANE with a Moustache????

license problems? because the actor never sold his likeness rights, and even Neca had to make him with a hugger on his face?
i'm just guessing there.