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I was speaking for the hobby as a whole. I never said the previous prices were budget.

This entire hobby is a luxury. $407 is no more a ridiculous price for an action figure than $345.

And there are tons of possible reasons for that price hike. The most likely one is that Disney raised the licensing fees for this movie.

The interesting thing is that no one is discussing why the prices suddenly went up, and is instead just complaining that suddenly Hot Toys is being unrealistic or greedy.

I think we're all aware that Hot Toys are a luxury item. Doesn't mean we can't "complain" about a 20% price increase. At $400, I'm out of the Hot Toys Iron Man market. I'm sure there are more than enough people out there willing to pay $400+ for these so it won't hurt Hot Toys at all. People aren't really discussing reasons for the increase probably because we'd just be guessing. I would think one reason is because they cut back on their production numbers and will have to make back the money on lower volume. I'll be spending my money on other things at this price.
 
Oh God, we don't even need to start on the price of lenses.

The price of this figure is a drop in the bucket compared to a decent lens.

Yep. For sure. I shoot canon and have a fair number of lenses that make these figures look like hot wheels. And I just picked up a 5dsR and a 6dmk2 and those things where not cheap.
 
For me it's a tipping point. Breaking that $400 barrier, it's very hard for me to justify that on what is, ultimately, a glorified action figure vs other things in the $400+ bracket. For example camera bodies, camera lenses, shoes, coats, etc. I can't justify it within my own internal logic any more.

Yeah, this is spot on. I think most people here have other hobbies they are interested in that they can divert their resources too. I may be putting the $400 towards the saltwater fish tank I've been looking to get.
 
More like a 15% increase over their most recent Iron Man. This is an entirely new design and has a ton of LEDs in it, including in the attachable weapons. I don't think the price increase is really that surprising. Thor is a bit more expensive than previous figures but also comes with two sets of arms, and again, LEDs.

My only real complaint about the price of the new Iron Man is that it doesn't include a new sculpt. Pretty lazy to ride on that singular sculpt for this long across so many movies.
 
I prefer the quality of figures at these prices over the previous quality for lower prices.

Definitely. The progress has crept up slowly but looking back at earlier releases the quality jump is generally quite apparent -- even in the last 6 years.

I've always been very selective vs. completist, so it's less of an issue for me in that sense -- but to be honest, it's all about perceived value for me. I passed on SSC Snowspeeder Luke because I couldn't see the value-for-money personally at that price point (others did and that's fine).

The DC Mark 6 cost me more than that, but I didn't blink because I saw value. I do think there will be more tipping points as some have said, as prices climb. At this point I'm more likely to spend more on clothing, my home and travel experiences (per item) than on a high-end action figure. I'm also lucky to have most of what I could want already, given my more classical tastes in nerd-culture.

If Hot Toys released a Batman Returns Catwoman tomorrow with a dead-on sculpt and quality suit, they could charge me all kinds of high prices and I wouldn't blink. This Iron Man, not so much since it isn't my style.
 
Question: if there was going to be a SS exclusive edition, would they have announced that yesterday too?

Last thing I would want would be to get locked in and then they come out with some awesome limited edition.


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Yep, would have announced at the same time.
 
No way I'm spending $407 on this. That's crazy.

With that said, I do want this; and am convinced I can have it for less if I play it smart. Managed to score the Mark 47 for only $200 by waiting for a breakdown on ebay and putting it together from the parts I actually intended to display. Il do the same thing here.
 
Totally legitimate reasoning.

I just bought some new camera crap myself. Another expensive hobby.

Yeah, this is spot on. I think most people here have other hobbies they are interested in that they can divert their resources too. I may be putting the $400 towards the saltwater fish tank I've been looking to get.

Of course having said that, I just realized I've been considering dropping the ~$500 on a 1/4 Iron Man, but then again those are double the mass of a 1/6 figure and clearly have more work in them. People always complain when Hot Toys hikes prices, but at least in terms of 1/6 I think this is really going to be the point where a lot of collectors look at that figure, consider what else they could buy with ~$400 and walk away. If the "standard" doll-type 1/6 figures start breaking the $300 barrier I think the same thing will happen there.
 
Oh God, we don't even need to start on the price of lenses.

The price of this figure is a drop in the bucket compared to a decent lens.

Lenses can actually make you money though, It is a worthwhile hobby to have, you are actually learning a skill and using tools to make you better at it. And you can always sell to upgrade to bigger and better things.

This ****ing thing though? $407 + shipping? It is complete insanity.

Not an issue if you have the money or not, as I'm sure many here have $400. But like Bateman said, it has become something so ridiculous, that spending that type of cash on a TOY that is 1/6 is completely mental.
 
Why do I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be changing their tune after they see how badass he looks in the movie... ;)

LOL...good call. I won't because the aesthetic is really counter to my taste, but I foresee a lot of people switching sides. ;)
 
I made a lot of fun of the Spiderman homecoming suit when HT previewed it before the movie came out. I thought it was one of the most ugly outfits i had seen. Then i watched the movie. I now have the homecoming suit on my shelf and think it's a really great figure.

So minds can be changed if this suit is used in a really great scene where all the extras (wings, weapons) make sense
 
I made a lot of fun of the Spiderman homecoming suit when HT previewed it before the movie came out. I thought it was one of the most ugly outfits i had seen. Then i watched the movie. I now have the homecoming suit on my shelf and think it's a really great figure.

So minds can be changed if this suit is used in a really great scene where all the extras (wings, weapons) make sense

I think it’s a multitude of factors here. I didn’t have an MCU Spidey, and I wanted to add one in my collection. It was a reasonable price, and I’m happy with my purchase.

I have plenty of Iron Men in my collection. The price, plus the look? I don’t know. Even if I absolutely love the movie (which I hope I do!), I still can’t see me rushing out to spend $400+ on a figure I already have represented in my collection.
 
Here's the thing: this is an expensive specialized hobby. These aren't mass market toys. If $400 is to much, then fine don't buy it, but don't try to suddenly pretend that this hobby is affordable or budget minded.

I seriously doubt that Hot Toys is clearing huge margins on these figures. Maybe they are, but probably not.

First there are the licensing fees they are paying to Disney, which are probably in the millions.

Then they are paying their artists, who are doing amazing jobs and, given that this is a Hong Kong based company and not China, are probably being paid very well for their skills. (Which they should be.)

Then you have the production process. Figures like Iron Man are always going to be more expensive because there are fewer molds they can reuse from previous figures. Making those molds is probably the most expensive part of this whole process. The dies for the metal parts are going to be even more expensive.

And then there are the supply costs. The production of plastics are tied to the cost of petroleum, which can fluctuate quite a bit. If one supplier goes out of business they may have to go to another, which may raise prices. International tariffs and import taxes can dramatically raise production costs if any of their suppliers are outside of Hong Kong.

Now most mass market toys make this money back by selling very large quantities and spreading that cost out over hundreds of thousands (if not millions of a particular figure.)

A $20 action figure you buy at Target probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to prototype and produce, but if they are going to sell 2,000,000 of them, they can spread that cost out over that entire amount.

Hoy Toys have a production run of a few thousand. That means there are far less of them to spread that cost out over. Meaning that each figure has to reflect a higher percentage of that production cost.

It's fine to say that $400 is too much money for you to want to spend on an Iron Man figure, but let's be realistic about what these things are and why they cost what they do.

If no one buys this, then maybe Hot Toys reevaluates their current strategy and moves back away from Die Cast, or tries to cut back on accessories to compensate for rising costs.

Another possible factor is the likelihood of the engineering and development for a figure being re-used. For example, Hot Toys might have known when they developed the Mark 46 that the 47 would be virtually identical--meaning they could bring both figures to market for a significantly reduced cost than if the 47 was a whole new armour. Many Iron Man releases share common design features, or are re-engineered versions of older figures. Even when you're doing a revamp of a figure like the Mark VI, where the new version is heavily re-designed and re-sculpted, I have to imagine a huge amount of the heavy lifting was already done by the original release.

You look at a figure like the 45, conversely, and it's easy to see how it could be a far less profitable release because all that development effort never gets applied to another armour, since the 45 only appeared in one film, and all of it's elements are unique to it (i.e. there was never a palette swap "upgrade" like the 42/43, 46/47, or any number of House party armours). I wonder if the reason we saw a 1/4 release for the 45 and not the 46 was that they needed to make some more money off all the development they did for the 45--development that could be rolled into the creation of 1/4 version.

All speculation, mostly, but if Hot Toys expects the Mark 50 to be a one-off, they might have chosen to charge more for it to alleviate all those costs that won't be rolled into future releases.

$407 is a lot, and yeah, it stings that a lot of releases these days are lighter on accessories but higher in cost. But equally, the quality of the design and engineering has (for the most part) significantly increased over the years, and there's also inflation to consider. Prices are always going to go up, not down, and this is a luxury hobby. I won't be buying this particular figure, but the price isn't why.
 
If the "standard" doll-type 1/6 figures start breaking the $300 barrier I think the same thing will happen there.

I remember when the DX 13 broke $300. It was a pretty packed release of a really nostalgic character of mine, but back then I had a hard time convincing myself it was worth the price. $300 for your average figure would insta-no any figure that wasn’t a must have for myself personally, and that must have list has been shrinking over the years.
 
We will see soon enough if this is a price gouge for the movie ( either by HT or Disney)or an indicator of things to come. The DC MARK 2 is 330 The 4 is 345. With this at 400 plus we will know when the eventual DC Mark vi is released. Will it be 400 plus or mid 300 Until then it’s all conjecture....
 
I’m just scared to see what the price for War Machine will be. The last couple WMs have been slightly more expensive than the Iron Man suits. Depending on how it looks, that is definitely a figure I can see myself dropping over $400 since the Mk 1 and Mk3 may just be my two favorite figures ever. And I really don’t care at all about War Machine as a character—the figures are just that impressive.

For Americans interested in this Iron Man—there will be deals on him eventually, that is a certainty. The Mk 45, 46, and 47 could all be found eventually for ~$50 cheaper on eBay or online retailers like FPNYC. It’s the War Machine figures that sell out very quickly.


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Yeah poor HT- they gotta sink more money into "development" to produce a figure 90% the same engineering-wise as the last five..sigh...
Called gouging in my book.
 
Arent the prices in HK similar to last releases from what I understand its Sideshow tacking on the extra money to put it over $400
 
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